Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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I want to know more about the vehicle the cop was in during the first shot. Did Wilson leave the scene in that vehicle? Was the vehicle treated as evidence and is there a proper chain of custody?
 
Saganator said:
I'm sure some people will claim that Mike was charging with his head down. My guess that he was shot in the eye and as he was going down he was shot again in the top of the head.
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Honestly, it seems to me like that's the most likely explanation in either the charge or the surrender scenario.
 
FlowersisBritish said:
This is actually really common. Usually the first reaction the body has to being shot is going limp and falling. I think it might be from the shock.
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It depends on where you're shot, but often people don't fall down and adrenaline will actually cause them to not realize immediately what's happened. Even ultimately fatal shots fail to stop people.

At this point even from an academic point of view the window of justification, given the number of shots and distance, is getting quite small. No conclusions from the autopsy at this point.
 
Measley said:
I'm 5'11 200lbs, and I've restrained larger kids than that. I work with emotionally disturbed kids in the inner city, and I'm trained in a variety of restraining techniques and tactics.

I'd like to believe that cops are a lot more trained than I am in restraining people who are out of control.
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I agree. I feel its far too easy to be an officer in this country. I can only hope with the recent events regarding Garner and Brown will bring a much needed reform in all police departments nation wide, such as more rigorous training and the need to video tape themselves while on duty.
 
Angelus Errare said:
I thought the shot to the eye is the one that came out his jaw and hit his collar bone.
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Yes, it was the shot to the eye (I'm going to put the info in spoiler tags in case anyone is sensitive to this kind of stuff)

One of the bullets shattered Mr. Brown’s right eye, traveled through his face, exited his jaw and re-entered his collarbone. The last two shots in the head would have stopped him in his tracks and were likely the last fired.

Source obviously being this: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html
 
TheJLC said:
Neutralize = kill and/or until there no longer is a threat.

Semi auto pistols have a fast rate of fire and sometimes within the officer firing the target has been neutralized without the officer realizing. Officers when they choose the lethal optIon it means kill. An officer can and should stop when the target is either dead or noncombative.
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You're missing the point, and you're taking the most literal route of the word instead of the most logical one. When it comes to unarmed citizens, aiming for a vital body part should be the last thing police officers do. If that isn't part of their training, it needs to be, that way we can have people treated at a hospital, tried and still alive instead, well, dead and leading to what's going on tonight.

Nevermind the fact all the reports are saying the victim in this case was moving away...with his hands up. If that's still registering as a threat to an officer, one enough to shoot them a few times and then shoot them twice in the head, they need to get kicked off the force and put up for the death penalty.

Anyway it's getting late, it's bedtime. Stay peaceful and protect yourselves, protesters.

EDIT: Well there is one damning thought on my mind....if I'm getting this correctly, wasn't the replacement of the Ferguson PD w/ these other guys supposed to improve the situation? So how the hell have things gotten even worst? Guess the shots w/ the officers smiling w/ protesters were a bunch of bullshit.
 
The Light said:
What is going on in the vice stream?
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Alice & Claire are being forced back to the media staging area by an entire group of police. Tim is at the area now and can't really leave I think.

The two with Tim are saying there were no molotov cocktails thrown by protesters where they were.
 
This photographer Tim is interviewing has amazing footage. Police trapping people in tear gas, no cocktail seen by any of the photographers on the front line.
 
This guy Tim is talking to along with this girl are saying there was no molotovs thrown and they were in the front. The guy has footage of the entire thing from the time the protest started till the time the police rolled up and shot off tear gas.
 
Angelus Errare said:
This guy Tim is talking to along with this girl are saying there was no molotovs thrown and they were in the front. The guy has footage of the entire thing from the time the protest started till the time the police rolled up and shot off tear gas.
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Yeah, between the three of them + the other person they were referring two, that's four accounts of no Molotovs.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
You're missing the point, and you're taking the most literal route of the word instead of the most logical one. When it comes to unarmed citizens, aiming for a vital body part should be the last thing police officers do. If that isn't part of their training, it needs to be, that way we can have people treated at a hospital, tried and still alive instead, well, dead and leading to what's going on tonight.

Nevermind the fact all the reports are saying the victim in this case was moving away...with his hands up. If that's still registering as a threat to an officer, one enough to shoot them a few times and then shoot them twice in the head, they need to get kicked off the force and put up for the death penalty.

Anyway it's getting late, it's bedtime. Stay peaceful and protect yourselves, protesters.
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I think you still don't get the idea of 'lethal force'. When you are shooting someone, there are no 'non-vital' parts of the body. The only question is which parts are easiest to hit under stress, which is why center mass is what is trained.
 
zewone said:
I agree. I feel its far too easy to be an officer in this country. I can only hope with the recent events regarding Garner and Brown will bring a much needed reform in all police departments nation wide, such as more rigorous training and the need to video tape themselves while on duty.
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I agree with this sentiment but the reality is that would cost a lot of money and lots of PDs are starved for resources as it is.
 
kendrid said:
This photographer Tim is interviewing has amazing footage. Police trapping people in tear gas, no cocktail seen by any of the photographers on the front line.
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Yeah the media and protestors seem to be saying the cops were lying about the Molotov's.

Man, the stuff in these streams - these cops are jerks :/
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
You're missing the point, and you're taking the most literal route of the word instead of the most logical one. When it comes to unarmed citizens, aiming for a vital body part should be the last thing police officers do. If that isn't part of their training, it needs to be, that way we can have people treated at a hospital, tried and still alive instead, well, dead and leading to what's going on tonight.

Nevermind the fact all the reports are saying the victim in this case was moving away...with his hands up. If that's still registering as a threat to an officer, one enough to shoot them a few times and then shoot them twice in the head, they need to get kicked off the force and put up for the death penalty.

Anyway it's getting late, it's bedtime. Stay peaceful and protect yourselves, protesters.
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It isn't and won't be. Training and protocol is to aim center mass to hit your target and avoid collateral damage.

This officer probably aimed center mass and hit other organs. Now imagine aiming for the leg or arm which is just as deadly. There would probably be stray bullets in houses, people, and private property.
 
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