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[Mully]

Well, from the front of the head. Either that or Michael Brown was falling forward as the last shot hit.

I don't know what other scenarios are possible.

Okay. Yeah. I think it would have been smarter to allow the actual report to make that inference.

WTF are these officers stupid? They are allowed to film!

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

No, that can't be. Privacy cannot be "non-existent" when the police are involved. I think most would argue that's when it needs to be existent more than ever.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Police need to have video Cameras on them for themselves and us.

Had this officer had a damned camera, there wouldn't even be a question of what happened.

 

[Sophia]

Unbelievable that they're trying to shut the reporters and press down.

 

[kai3345]

YO YOU CAN"T JUST TELL THE MEDIA TO STOP LIKE THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS

 

[FlowersisBritish]

My main concern with cops getting cameras would be how often they'd end up off in the thick of it. "Suspect took it out to eliminate evidence," etc.

Well then they get into the problem of "Why didn't you have a camera?" which is basically saying "yeah i took it off for some good old fashion police brutality"

 

[enzo_gt]

Are they allowed to tell them to turn their cameras off? wtfisthisshit

Not anymore. Thanks officer.

Clutch radio call huh

 

[JABEE]

Mike brown feed has the presser

 

[MHWilliams]

My main concern with cops getting cameras would be how often they'd end up off in the thick of it. "Suspect took it out to eliminate evidence," etc.

Again, if you do it, you'd need to have a system that penalizes officers for having the cameras off. Without that, you can be sure bad cops will just turn the cameras off. We've seen this is action with lapel cameras.

 

[everyday math]

So you throw gas at peaceful marchers?

 

[Trouble]

Vice girls are fucking awesome. They just go wherever they fuck they want.

 

[Omega]

What's the guy saying?

"this my block, *gas* this my city nah fuck that shit"

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

You're a horrible person.

I realize im about 30 pages late to this. Holy shit Jado. Bravo.

http://a.pomf.se/yipouu.webm

Amazing.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Unbelievable that they're trying to shut the reporters and press down.

I love how this guy is not being very subtle about trying to lead them to the presser.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

i'd be willing to bet police unions will fight this forever

You'd be surprised, a lot of officers want them. It's mostly the old heads that don't. Newer officers want them.

 

[benjipwns]

With tech being what it is, how are they to know? You no longer require a camera to hold. A simple cell phone holder cleverly placed will suffice. With cloud storage, how can they stop this?

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2014/04/la_habra_police_excessive_forc.php
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-phone-looked-like-a-gun/

 

[antonz]

Vice girls are fucking awesome. They just go wherever they fuck they want.

Best part of the vice people. last night Tim was outside the press area for all the stuff. Vice has some very dedicated people

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Okay. Yeah. I think it would have been smarter to allow the actual report to make that inference.

WTF are these officers stupid? They are allowed to film!

Individual cops will occasionally enforce laws that they think exist and won't bother to check beforehand.

 

[JBourne]

I get what he's saying. I've seen and like the way you sling that hammer, but I feel a lot of subtle and not so subtle racism kind of gets overlooked on here. I know there are only so many mods but it's frustrating to see.

If you see something that you think is thinly veiled racism, PM a mod. This thread moves really fast, so they're bound to miss stuff. Choosing to argue with them in here only leads to more bans.

 

[JABEE]

Police say that McDonalds employees locked themselves in McDonalds.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Just tell the police that the camera they are wearing is only there to record the meta-data.

 

[FamousLastX]

90% of the stuff they're mentioning during the press briefing, many people seemed to have never seen. Just like last night, they're not acting based on the curfew or protest or anything of the sorts, give me a fucking break.

 

[enzo_gt]

Did he just say rockets?

 

[TCKaos]

Briefing said there were molotovs thrown, which prompted the tear gassing. I haven't heard of it beforehand, but I only started paying attention just over an hour ago.

 

[Officerrob]

You'd be surprised, a lot of officers want them. It's mostly the old heads that don't. Newer officers want them.

100% correct

 

[Kibbles]

The family requested a private autopsy and the results were released today, All the shots were from the front. He was shot 6 times, 4 times in the R arm and twice in the head.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSumLargeMedia&module=a-lede-package-region&region=lede-package&WT.nav=lede-package

Shot him 6 times? The fuck? Lock this guy up for life, straight up murdered an unarmed kid.

 

[antonz]

Amazing how the police stick to the Molotov line even as its proven there were none. What a coincidence just as report is released the cops open up on crowds to disperse

 

[Big Baybee]

I'm gonna need some proof of cocktails. A lot of media is there and no one saw or caught it on film?

 

[FamousLastX]

Did he just say rockets?

I'm assuming he meant fireworks/bottle rockets.

 

[kai3345]

is the vice stream breaking up for anyone else?

 

[benjipwns]

This, I hope whoever ordered that is going down hard. You CANNOT infringe on the press like this. They should be allowed to go wherever the fuck they want.

"The press" is a medium not a protected class. Everyone has freedom of the press.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Do these cop even have the ability to create rational thought? They know that they're pretty much fucked (even harder) if they push too hard, no?

 

[Piecake]

No, that can't be. Privacy cannot be "non-existent" when the police are involved. I think most would argue that's when it needs to be existent more than ever.

I think most would or should argue that there should be video evidence of all police dealings with the public because if there isnt the police are extremely good at fucking over civilians and protecting their own. I think the bigger danger to democracy and society in this instance isnt privacy, but institutional power and its desire to protect itself and its members over such things as justice and rights.

 

[Effect]

You want to stop the violence? Easy. Arrest the shooter like you would anyone else. Doesn't matter if he's released on bail or only in for a few days. That stops the violence. Stop being so damn stupid about this.

 

[MHWilliams]

You'd be surprised, a lot of officers want them. It's mostly the old heads that don't. Newer officers want them.

So I've heard. Having a video record is rather useful in that line of work.

 

[everyday math]

He seemed nervous

 

[Sophia]

Amazing how the police stick to the Molotov line even as its proven there were none. What a coincidence just as report is released the cops open up on crowds to disperse

Crazy isn't it? With all the reporters out there and with at least five live streams, but nobody recorded any footage of molotovs and nobody has claimed to see any molotovs thrown.

 

[JABEE]

That was short.

 

[Mariolee]

The family requested a private autopsy and the results were released today, All the shots were from the front. He was shot 6 times, 4 times in the R arm and twice in the head.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSumLargeMedia&module=a-lede-package-region&region=lede-package&WT.nav=lede-package

Just saw this. Holy freaking crap.

 

[Trouble]

Ah-lee-chay got the last question, awesome.

 

[Eric WK]

I'm gonna need some proof of cocktails. A lot of media is there and no one saw or caught it on film?

Media that were there at the time even said there were no cocktails thrown.

 

[call_kotaku]

My main concern with cops getting cameras would be how often they'd end up off in the thick of it. "Suspect took it out to eliminate evidence," etc.

Make them wear 2 cameras problem solved

The more startling fact about the counties that mandated that their officers always record everything, if I remember correctly, is that the number of complaints decreased mostly because the suspects knew there would be video evidence contradicting their claims. Theoretically it would be a system that would help police most of the time, but I don't see departments being willing to implement it without being forced to.

 

[everyday math]

I really do want to see the proof of the Molotov's.

 

[Icanplaythat]

Do these cop even have the ability to create rational thought? They know that they're pretty much fucked (even harder) if they push too hard, no?

Nonsense, cops are accustomed to pushing hard and not being held accountable, why stop?

 

[ronito]

I am amazed they're still pushing the Molotov line. And equally surprised that they're not getting called out on it by b journalists that have footage that shows none. They should be saying "I wanna see the receipts"

 

[Effect]

Media that were there at the time even said there were no cocktails thrown.

Wouldn't there be a number of fires as well if they were thrown? Didn't see anything like that in any of the streams or footage shown in them.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Alice throwin that question.

Briefing said there were molotovs thrown, which prompted the tear gassing. I haven't heard of it beforehand, but I only started paying attention just over an hour ago.

There were 4 different people from the media at the front of the line. One of them having footage from the time the protest started till the time the police truck rolled up and tear gas started being thrown and they all stated that there were no molotovs thrown.

 

[Kathian]

"The press" is a medium not a protected class. Everyone has freedom of the press.

Seriously THIS.

The press comes from printing press; it was important they had freedoms as they were the only means of mass communication.

This has changed now;everyone needs those protections and freedoms. Making it about one medium creates a single group who hold the power;it's disadvantageous.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

I've been watching multiple streams all night, and didn't see one molotov. I also heard a ton of press people talking to each other, all of them, including ones on the front line, saying this wasn't true.

I have a lot of respect for the police, but this is bullshit.

 

[Yagharek]

I'm gonna need some proof of cocktails. A lot of media is there and no one saw or caught it on film?

Cant record evidence of molotovs when the press are being kept in the dark by the police.

Gives them cover to go and do whatever they like.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

I am amazed they're still pushing the Molotov line. And equally surprised that they're not getting called out on it by b journalists that have footage that shows none. They should be saying "I wanna see the receipts"

Chris Hayes is on msnbc right now reiterating that he and people he spoke to did not seen the referred molotovs thrown, and that it will probably be the flashpoint of debate tomorrow (other than the autopsy results). I may have misheard though, it was pretty quick.