Big Baybee
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CNN just stated national guard on the way
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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CrimsonCommie
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Thanks for this! I forgot all about it
everyday math
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Here's the order. For the National Guard to come in.
https://governor.mo.gov/news/archive/following-coordinated-attacks-civilians-and-law-enforcement-governor-nixon-signs
https://governor.mo.gov/news/archive/following-coordinated-attacks-civilians-and-law-enforcement-governor-nixon-signs
That phrase has some bad historical connotations.
Remember at the police presser that just ended. How Ron Johnson said he was talking to the Gov. about taking "other measures" Well I think this is one of them.
Phoenician_Viking
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What the hell with the police? I mistaken them for military with their armor and vehicles. I thought that Marshall law has been declared or something.
Angelus Errare
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Alice and Claire are back (Vice Youtube)
The Artful Dodger
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Why do some people think that eyewitness testimonies are magically are either fully right or fully wrong? That is a false dichotomy. The detail of Johnson saying Brown was hit in the back does not disprove the whole testimony. When something like this is taking place, you are not going to have a photographic memory of the situation. As other people have pointed out, the witnesses could have thought Brown was hit when he was shot at and started to kneel.
Witnesses can (and will) get details wrong but be mostly right about what happened.
Exactly. While eyewitness testimony isn't always reliable when looking for a factual account of what happened, multiple testimonies do allow for a reliable image of the occurrence to be pieced together.
Mental Atrophy
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It's really not. Military being in control,over civilians is not ideal.
It's not ideal, but it might be better than the amateur hour that's been on display.
Brolic Gaoler
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CNN just stated national guard on the way
People here think this is great. Being ex army (infantry at that ) I see this as a very bad thing. If you think NG/military is going to tolerate even remotely what's going on right now as far as protests/looting/curfew violations you're mistaken.
I really hope they prove me wrong.
How are military imposters any better?It's really not. Military being in control,over civilians is not ideal.
CrimsonCommie
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Here's the order. For the National Guard to come in.
https://governor.mo.gov/news/archive/following-coordinated-attacks-civilians-and-law-enforcement-governor-nixon-signs
It's really starting to piss me off that they don't mention any of the criminal acts committed by the fucking police.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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It's really not. Military being in control,over civilians is not ideal.
They might as well drop all pretenses at this point given how every night excluding Thursday has been.
Brolic Gaoler
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PHow are military imposters any better?
What you're seeing as military imposters, I still see as police trying to control a situation. Military is a whole other beast.
People here thing his is great. Being ex army (infantry at that ) I see this as a very bad thing. If you think NG/military is going to tolerate even remotely what's going on right now as far as protests/looting/curfew violations you're mistaken.
I really hope they prove me wrong.
Yeah the National Guard coming in could make things worse. Really worse. I doubt they have much training in acting as a police force.
What the hell with the police? I mistaken them for military with their armor and vehicles. I thought that Marshall law has been declared or something.
I'm going to laugh if the actual military (National Guard) are less armed than the cops were.
He sounds full of shit too. They keep putting the blame on unnamed individuals looking to overthrow the police command center with organized plans and improvised weapons such as Molotov's. When in actuality, it's concerned residents who hope another white officer doesn't get away with murder.
TheBaronOfNA
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People here think this is great. Being ex army (infantry at that ) I see this as a very bad thing. If you think NG/military is going to tolerate even remotely what's going on right now as far as protests/looting/curfew violations you're mistaken.
I really hope they prove me wrong.
the main problem it seems that people prefeer them over the police.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yeah the National Guard coming in could make things worse. Really worse. I doubt they have much training in acting as a police force.
Their use is going to be to squash unrest and enforce curfew.
the main problem it seems that people prefeer them over the police.
Let's see after tomorrow.
Mental Atrophy
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I don't think the national guard will be any better at reaching out to the community, but maybe they won't be as quick to provoke or overreact. I hope the St. Louis, not the Ferguson, PD continue to work with the community and communicate thru this.
They might also be hopeful that a lot of the anger directed at the police is diffused just by not having the police there, giving things a chance to settle down and move towards some sort of normalcy.
GameGuru59
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Eh... I'm nervous about the national guard. Remember Kent State?
CrimsonCommie
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P
What you're seeing as military imposters, I still see as police trying to control a situation. Military is a whole other beast.
What I see is military impostors illegally taking away the right of citizens.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Is Vice still down?
Phoenician_Viking
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CNN: Governor called the national guard.
Their use is going to be to squash unrest and enforce curfew.
They'd be tasked as another form of SWAT or will they likely be deployed in a similar fashion as when units were deployed to LA after Rodney King?
Spring-Loaded
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The only thing I know for sure is a police officer shot and killed a kid.
If that's all you know, consider not telling people what they should talk about. Or, at the very least, quote individuals who are making baseless arguments/conclusions instead of seemingly addressing people in general.
I'm confused. If the store owner didn't call the police, how did the police come into possession of the video and a police report filed? Did I miss something here?
I believe the police actually requested the video themselves. A police report was filed later as Darren Wilson didn't actually file a police report himself.
Everything is fucked up.
Vicetrailia
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If the National Guard are not chiefly there to appease and gain trust, well then I don't know what other reaction to have than to be deeply concerned.
TheBaronOfNA
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Let's see after tomorrow.
Not saying that you are wrong by being wary
FunkyMunkey
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I don't think the national guard will be any better at reaching out to the community, but maybe they won't be as quick to provoke or overreact. I hope the St. Louis, not the Ferguson, PD continue to work with the community and communicate thru this.
I can almost guarantee the national guard will handle this situation better, especially considering their training in situations like this. If they actually make things worse, it sets a very dangerous precedent.
The National Guard won't be provoking the people intentionally. That's the difference. We had one good night when they got the highway patrol in there, and it all went to shit when the local PD came back. I have to hope/assume that calling in the guard means that they're forcibly shitcanning the locals.
Exactly. But, I guess it's a wait and see thing.
Brolic Gaoler
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They'd be tasked as another form or SWAT or will they likely be deployed in a similar fashion as when units were deployed to LA after Rodney King?
There's gonna be the stomp and draggers, and shooter teams. Pretty much what you're already seeing now with the cops, only actual military.
The National Guard won't be provoking the people intentionally. That's the difference. We had one good night when they got the highway patrol in there, and it all went to shit when the local PD came back. I have to hope/assume that calling in the guard means that they're forcibly shitcanning the locals.People here think this is great. Being ex army (infantry at that ) I see this as a very bad thing. If you think NG/military is going to tolerate even remotely what's going on right now as far as protests/looting/curfew violations you're mistaken.
I really hope they prove me wrong.
HP_Wuvcraft
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What you're seeing as military imposters, I still see as police trying to control a situation. Military is a whole other beast.
Seriously, what fuckin' news story have you been following?
There is literally no way I can see anyone justifying the force the police in Ferguson have been using.
TheBaronOfNA
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Tomorrow will be, indeed, interesting.
I believe the police actually requested the video themselves. A police report was filed later as Darren Wilson didn't actually file a police report himself.
Everything is fucked up.
That's where I'm getting hazy though. If the store didn't call the police, how were the police made aware of the shoplifting/robbery to begin with (or even made aware of the video)?
They might also be hopeful that a lot of the anger directed at the police is diffused just by not having the police there, giving things a chance to settle down and move towards some sort of normalcy.
I think the one thing this community doesn't need more of is a heavy military-like presence, in this case the actual military. The issues seem to be how the FPD's release of information inflames tensions and outside looters taking advantage of the night protesters. I don't know how the national guard can sooth either of these issues, all they add is greater force, which is not a good thing.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Gracias.
I hope no white cop shoots me for using a different language.
Brolic Gaoler
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Seriously, what fuckin' news story have you been following?
There is literally no way I can see anyone justifying the force the police in Ferguson have been using.
The people getting injured by gunfire and the businesses being vandalized and looted would prove otherwise.
Yes, I know most aren't doing it, but the few ruin it for everyone. Which is why they are trying to control the situation. The bad apples are hiding with everyone else.
jordan0386
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That's where I'm getting hazy though. If the store didn't call the police, how were the police made aware of the shoplifting/robbery to begin with (or even made aware of the video)?
customer called.
Maybe Browns friend told them sbout what happened when he was questioned?That's where I'm getting hazy though. If the store didn't call the police, how were the police made aware of the shoplifting/robbery to begin with (or even made aware of the video)?
Is there a reason this has went this far for one guy? I mean police dodging everything, fucking with media, using tactical gear for protest. Like they even have a threshold at times and normally would have thrown in the toll for one average ass offcer with only 6 years under his belt.
What im saying is...im wondering is this one police officer tied to anything or anyone important.
What im saying is...im wondering is this one police officer tied to anything or anyone important.
Police force is a large and loyal gang.Is there a reason this has went this far for one guy? I mean police dodging everything, fucking with media, using tactical gear for protest. Like they even have a threshold at times and normally would have thrown in the toll for one average ass offcer with only 6 years under his belt.
What im saying is...im wondering is this one police officer tied to anything or anyone important.
Is there a reason this has went this far for one guy? I mean police dodging everything, fucking with media, using tactical gear for protest. Like they even have a threshold at times and normally would have thrown in the toll for one average ass offcer with only 6 years under his belt.
What im saying is...im wondering is this one police officer tied to anything or anyone important.
They protect their own.
customer called.
Was this part of the incident report that was released earlier? I didn't get a chance to read through what was posted, so that makes sense if so.
Would be so.weird if it's proven the video tape is a convenient coincidence the police wildly overplayed. Fucking Ferguson pd is obviously just dumb as fuck. Not surprising really that you could end up with entire department of people not sophisticated enough to handle this exposure.
You'd think the National police organizations would have a "Wolf" to send in and straighten them out.
You'd think the National police organizations would have a "Wolf" to send in and straighten them out.
The people getting injured by gunfire and the businesses being vandalized and looted would prove otherwise.
Yes, I know most aren't doing it, but the few ruin it for everyone. Which is why they are trying to control the situation. The bad apples are hiding with everyone else.
But their idea of trying to control the situation has been rather extreme, don't you think? One or two bad apples and they're firing on tons of peaceful protesters who aren't even expecting anything for another three hours...
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