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[Mully]

There's gonna be the stomp and draggers, and shooter teams. Pretty much what you're already seeing now with the cops, only actual military.

Are they just replacing the police or reinforcing them?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Are they just replacing the police or reinforcing them?

Reinforcing I do believe, which may be a saving grace.


Either way, for NG to be armed on US soil law enforcement must be present.

 

[BBboy20]

The people getting injured by gunfire and the businesses being vandalized and looted would prove otherwise.

Yes, I know most aren't doing it, but the few ruin it for everyone. Which is why they are trying to control the situation. The bad apples are hiding with everyone else.

Do they realize they could have just peppered cops around these stores and cooperate with neighborhood watch? Their presences alone would be an deterrence against looters.

 

[Gorillaz]

Police force is a large and loyal gang.

They protect their own.

Yea I know how they work in a group/family. Im saying is there a possibility he has ties to to anything else

 

[benjipwns]

Is there a reason this has went this far for one guy? I mean police dodging everything, fucking with media, using tactical gear for protest. Like they even have a threshold at times and normally would have thrown in the toll for one average ass offcer with only 6 years under his belt.


What im saying is...im wondering is this one police officer tied to anything or anyone important.

If you let the destruction of due process happen to him, it could happen to anyone.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Do they realize they could have just peppered cops around these stores and cooperate with neighborhood watch? Their presences alone would be an deterrence against looters.

They tried that last night. The armed guys on the roof of the BBQ joint changed the situation.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

"This is the third time we've had to deal with these girls."

These guys seriously had their boss tell them to stop being nice.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

The people getting injured by gunfire and the businesses being vandalized and looted would prove otherwise.

Yes, I know most aren't doing it, but the few ruin it for everyone. Which is why they are trying to control the situation. The bad apples are hiding with everyone else.

But here's the thing, the one night where everything generally went without incident was the one where they chilled the fuck out and let the highway troopers handle it without any ridiculous militarized gear.

 

[Mully]

Reinforcing I do believe, which may be a saving grace.

Yeah. I know back when they were deployed in LA the guard were basically taking orders from the LAPD and were mostly used as support. Heck some were actually brought in and told to report to the precinct to do paperwork.

 

[BBboy20]

They tried that last night. The armed guys on the roof of the BBQ joint changed the situation.

Not with that curfew.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

Is there a reason this has went this far for one guy? I mean police dodging everything, fucking with media, using tactical gear for protest. Like they even have a threshold at times and normally would have thrown in the toll for one average ass offcer with only 6 years under his belt.


What im saying is...im wondering is this one police officer tied to anything or anyone important.

nevermind misread

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Do they realize they could have just peppered cops around these stores and cooperate with neighborhood watch? Their presences alone would be an deterrence against looters.

It was tried. That's a bad idea if a group of cops in front of store X or Y get surrounded or overrun.

Not with that curfew.

Yeah they were protecting buildings last night.

 

[Gonzalez]

But here's the thing, the one night where everything generally went without incident was the one where they chilled the fuck out and let the highway troopers handle it without any ridiculous militarized gear.

You mean the night where someone got shot in the neck?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Not with that curfew.

Which was enstated after another round of looting.

Yeah. I know back when they were deployed in LA the guard were basically taking orders from the LAPD and were mostly used as support. Heck some were actually brought in and told to report to the precinct to do paperwork.

Yeah, same thing with Katrina I believe.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

Sending in the National Guard is a clear escalation of the situation. This isn't a good thing at all.

Ya, I see it this way as well.

And to call it in right after the press conference where they said they weren't being called it. These guys really need to get on the same page.

 

[Dr.Acula]

"Nixon calls in National Guard."

44 years of fucking progress and we're back to square one.

 

[More_Badass]

National Guard? Isn't that really really extreme?

Chaos like this? Yeah, probably necessary

A small suburb, where there is some looting and some assholes causing trouble, but the majority is peaceful protesting?

I don't see how bringing in the National Guards is even remotely good or justified.

 

[JABEE]

It's really not. Military being in control,over civilians is not ideal.

Neither is having this police force in control. At least accountability for the National Guard reports all the way up the chain of government officials.

 

[TheJLC]

So gov is sending National Guard to crush rioting and looting. Damn...

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Neither is having this police force in control. At least accountability for the National Guard reports all the way up the chain of government officials.

If you think that actually helps things, I believe you're horribly mistaken. All that does is give people another person to blame.

So gov is sending National Guard to crush rioting and looting. Damn...

Exactly what I've been saying.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Neither is having this police force in control. At least accountability for the National Guard reports all the way up the chain of government officials.

Yeah, at this point, anything is better than Ferguson PD. But I mean we'll see.

 

[benjipwns]

You guys realize that the National Guard is much more sane and peaceful in procedure and mentality than the majority of police departments, right?

 

[antonz]

Rioting hasn't even happened. Looting has been minimal to the point the community itself has been able to stop it when the police refuse.

I mean the police even said they didn't stop the looting because the community had it under control

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Rioting hasn't even happened. Looting has been minimal to the point the community itself has been able to stop it when the police refuse.

Rioting did happen the night after Mike was killed. Same night QT burned to the ground. That's what started all of this police action.

 

[JABEE]

You guys realize that the National Guard is much more sane and peaceful in procedure and mentality than the majority of police departments, right?

I'm guessing they are also in a situation where they will act in a way that does the least amount of political damage.

 

[TastyOreoFriend]

You guys realize that the National Guard is much more sane in procedure and mentality than the majority of police departments, right?

I think that's what some people are missing. Is it the ideal situation? Absolutely not, but its the best of a bad situation. At least some accountability will be in place.

 

[antonz]

Rioting did happen the night after Mike was killed. Same night QT burned to the ground. That's what started all of this police action.

And there hasn't been a similar incident since. The continued escalation by Law enforcement has been completely one sided.

Law enforcement has created an environment that draws in the loonies like the revolution now people from Chicago etc

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

And there hasn't been a similar incident since. The continued escalation by Law enforcement has been completely one sided.

There has been shootings and looting since.

 

[Officerrob]

Yeah, at this point, anything is better than Ferguson PD. But I mean we'll see.

If there are shots taken at the National Guard...

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

And there hasn't been a similar incident since. The continued escalation by Law enforcement has been completely one sided.

Someone got shot last night man. You can't just look at this from your safe neighborhood through the TV and expect to understand the fear people may have living there, owning a business there.

 

[GameGuru59]

If there are shots taken at the National Guard...

It'll be Kent State. I think this is a bad idea...

 

[TheJLC]

If there are shots taken at the National Guard...

Don't expect tear gas and rubber bullets.

 

[antonz]

There has been shootings and looting since.

The Police stood around thumbs up their ass while the looting occurred. Allowing unarmed citizens to face off against looters.

Its funny during the day they station cops in front of the stores to "protect them" then at night they all leave enabling opportunists

 

[benjipwns]

I'm guessing they are also in a situation where they will act in a way that does the least amount of political damage.

I think that's what some people are missing. Is it the ideal situation? Absolutely not, but its the best of a bad situation. At least some accountability will be in place.

As mentioned in that John Oliver video unlike the police the Army teaches people to not point guns at things until they intend to shoot them.

 

[Stinkles]

Rioting did happen the night after Mike was killed. Same night QT burned to the ground. That's what started all of this police action.

Actually what started it was the reaction to a cop shooting an unarmed teenager dead, and his police department's subsequent attempts to cover it up and mishandle every single aspect of the resulting consequences.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

The Police stood around thumbs up their ass while the looting occurred. Allowing unarmed citizens to face off against looters.

Its funny during the day they station cops in front of the stores to "protect them" then at night they all leave enabling opportunists

They stood back and allowed it after Nixon ordered county PD out and told the officers to stand down. It was a damned if you do damned if you don't situation at that point.

Actually what started it was the reaction to a cop shooting an unarmed teenager dead, and his police department's subsequent attempts to cover it up and mishandle every single aspect of the resulting consequences.

Re-read what I said. It's what started the police action, not the civilian unrest.


The civilian unrest clearly was caused by the shooting. The subsequent riot caused the police action.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

smfh "pray for peace"

 

[FlowersisBritish]

I am baffled how bringing in more men with more guns is going to help anything at all? Especially since the police have literally been causing more trouble than they've actually helped. All they have done so far is shoot people.

 

[More_Badass]

Someone got shot last night man. You can't just look at this from your safe neighborhood through the TV and expect to understand the fear people may have living there, owning a business there.

Someone. One person. Yes, that's bad, I'm not saying it isn't, but the place isn't being torn apart by rioting mobs, entire streets aren't aflame. I really think that National Guard is a hugely disproportionate response to what I've seen on the live streams the past two-three nights.

 

[Angelus Errare]

smfh "pray for peace"

Maybe this is the "progress" people keep harping on about.

 

[benjipwns]

I am baffled how bringing in more men with more guns is going to help anything at all? Especially since the police have literally been causing more trouble than they've actually helped. All they have done so far is shoot people.

Because the National Guard has incredibly different standards than the police. Putting them on the streets gives an excuse to take the police off them, which will reduce incidents like we've been seeing over the last few nights.

 

[WesternHeretic]

I don't know how anyone can be 100% supportive for the cop (Darren Wilson) if we don't know all of the info yet. He could have very well defended himself and did the right thing, but as of right now we do not know. That just seems like racism to me, "oh well you know the black kid must of been in the wrong there no way this cop could have made a mistake"

Jumping the gun and and being pro/anti something without knowing all the facts is just ridiculous.

 

[Officerrob]

Because the National Guard has incredibly different standards than the police. Putting them on the streets gives an excuse to take the police off them, which will reduce incidents like we've been seeing over the last few nights.

That's definitely one way of looking at it

 

[Chie Satonaka]

smfh "pray for peace"

See that?

See all those kids and young people there?

For all the people who continue to keep talking about progress and "things will change in time", that picture contradicts you.

Kids are still being indoctrinated into this same status quo bullshit that allows this stuff to happen.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Maybe this is the "progress" people keep harping on about.

It's fucking gross. It's the same shit just a bit less subtle.

 

[Gorillaz]

If there are shots taken at the National Guard...

They wont be shooting rubbers at that point....

 

[enzo_gt]

See that?

See all those kids and young people there?

For all the people who continue to keep talking about progress and "things will change in time", that picture contradicts you.

Kids are still being indoctrinated into this same status quo bullshit that allows this stuff to happen.

It will always be this way. As a person of colour, I'm pretty sure I'm a cynic, but I think I'm even more sure that there will never be a time where these systemic issues don't hold us back. What makes it even worse is knowing that Black people have it worse than me, and that there are levels of discrimination.

This is only explicit racism, which is nowhere near as rampant as implicit racism. That is arguably even more dangerous and successful.

 

[Angelus Errare]

It will always be this way. As a person of colour, I'm pretty sure I'm a cynic, but I think I'm even more sure that there will never be a time where these systemic issues don't hold us back. What makes it even worse is knowing that Black people have it worse than me, and that there are levels of discrimination.

This is only explicit racism, which is nowhere near as rampant as implicit racism. That is arguably even more dangerous and successful.

Nothing cynical about it, it's being a realist. It's never going to change, people who keep saying it will are delusional.

 

[benjipwns]

That's definitely one way of looking at it

You can have the people who have fucked up and have no restraints continue to fail to "enforce peace" as part of their overall plan to avoid consequences for Michael Brown's death.

Or you can have people with actual rules of engagement and consequences doing much of nothing for a couple days as things quiet down.

The former have no incentives for backing off unless the latter force them out.

 

[Devolution]

See that?

See all those kids and young people there?

For all the people who continue to keep talking about progress and "things will change in time", that picture contradicts you.

Kids are still being indoctrinated into this same status quo bullshit that allows this stuff to happen.

If you look at the solidarity protests across the nation there are shit tons of white young people. These people are becoming a minority. It's not happening as fast as we'd all like I'm sure but it is progressing.