benjipwns
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Yes, that flood has just as much right of free travel as any other collection of molecules. The Guard should not be oppressing it by trying to restrict it to its banks.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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This isn't a natural disaster. This is a show of force of the military being deployed against her own citizens.
I don't post in gaming.
I'm not entirely sure that one bullet changes anything -- there's still 6 of them that entered his body.
Isn't that your first natural reaction? You're being shot at, so you run towards the officer to get his gun. #doubleback
I expect police to do exactly the same for those businesses as they have down for the family of mike brown.
Um...yes they are...that's one of the primary functions of the National Guard.
Missouri National Guard training for riot control in 2008
What would you call the national guard being sent in to protect african american children going to school against bigots?a war against whites? Or was that just "different" and doesn't count.
To be clear Mrs. Mitchell said Brown "jerked" like he was hit and then Brown turned around to face the officer. So she heard a shot and saw some sort of physical reaction from Brown, that she assumed was him getting hit by the bullet.
benjipwns
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I liked the irony and the fun of the earlier link.
Look up the actual function of the national guard before pretending to know what you're talking about.
Jacksinthe
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That's not what I'm asking or saying. I ask that you not put words in my mouth, please. I was very clear in my questions.
lol, with the pool noodles?
benjipwns
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You wouldn't flinch or jump from the sound of a gun going off if you knew it was pointed at you or if the bullet whizzed by you?
Edit: just saw your edit, sorry if you were just clarifying. I imagine that would look like someone being shot though if you hadn't seen it before.
methane47
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I thought they story was he was shot once in the back (Which I interpret as with his back turned to the cop)
After which he turned around and put his hands up.
Maybe the first shot was the one that hit his arm or hand during his "back swing" of his run.
Maybe the world would be a better place if that's all riot cops ever had at their disposal.
A PR move. Those same guardsmen sat around for decades before allowing American citizens to live in absolute terror. Escorting some kids into a building doesn't change the true interests they represented for years before that.
After I shit my pants, I probably would do something like that.
EDIT: Yea. Just clarifying. thanks
Do you want your mom or grandma trying to Traverse town while riots going on?
I wouldn't, there is is a mix of people there that are mature about taking a stand, and those who are not (looters and rioters)
But wouldn't the angle of the bullet wound indicate what the angle was relative to the shooter? In my mind the angle of the entry would be different if someone was shot in the arm from behind vs infront. I am having a hard time explaining what I mean in words, but try to mentally picture the path of a bullet entering Brown's arm if the bullet was fired from behind. In my mind it would make a entry path that would point toward the front of Brown's arm. Versus if he was shot in the arm from the front while running, it would make a path towards the back of the arm.
I think a concern that autopsy can't address was proof that the officer was shooting while Brown was fleeing.
Yeah, im sure they are receiving GREAT training in that one weekend a month or whatever. Six years ago.
Fighting against segregation and being one of the most historic moments in the civil rights movement.... ya F###them just some good old PR.
Funky Papa
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I understand that there are riots. What I don't understand is why they are not sending more police units instead of the military. That's a massive scalation.
adamsappel
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US Army personnel might also have a systemic disinclination to shoot US citizens.
"Dad, we need to stop discussing this. I am losing respect for you." I can think of very few other phrases I would hate more to hear from my kid. Repeat as necessary.
Stop being obtuse. You made a shitty comment that was wrong and I called you out on it.
They didn't fight it though did they? They sat back like the cowards they were for decades while citizens fought for equal rights. The true heroes of the story are the kids(and their parents) and community activists who really got things done.
Where were they during the decades of Jim Crow? They had guns and training then right?
benjipwns
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You seem to have the impression that the cops training is better.
I would agree that it's going to be much harder now but I don't know if it contradicts their testimony. He could still have been shot at in the back but they missed and he turned around and then was hit. Did the witnesses actually say he was hit in the back or just shot at.
Your are basically telling him to shame his father into submission instead of trying to prove/disprove the point in question. It's not the most productive manner of handling the situation. Especially, if it leaves bad feelings inside a family. Which are people he will likely see many times throughout his life, and doesn't bring him or his father closer to the truth.
The best argument I have heard against the charging argument is that there are at least 3 eye witness that have very similar stories that don't support the "charging" version. Versus just one eye witness account of the "charging" ( though walking vs running is still in question ). To my knowledge there has been no physical evidence that has disproved either theory yet. If someone knows of some please let me know.
For people looking for a simple timeline of events that's up to date.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...shooting-of-black-teenager-michael-brown.html
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...shooting-of-black-teenager-michael-brown.html
So there was a shot in or around the police car which causes Mike to run away then the cop gets out of the car and shoots at him(but apparently not hitting him) and at this point Mike turns around and puts his hands up and the cop continues to shoot him anyway. Does this sound about right?
I think so...he probably heard/felt a bullet whiz by him and decided to surrender.
MmmSkyscraper
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Thanks for posting this amongst the arguments. The last time I checked in, the state troopers were taking over and everything seemed better so seeing the news this morning was WTF.
Initial autopsy reports seem to indicate that there were no shots to Jim at close range because there was no gunpowder residue. But the guy doing the autopsy didn't have access to Browns clothes so there could be signs on that of close range fire.
Edit: As far as I understand.
They didn't fight it though did they?- Yes they did, they were the only thing between the kids and the bigots who wanted them dead just for going to school. Whether or not they were there for a PR move.
They sat back like the cowards they were for decades while citizens fought for equal rights. - So did everyone back then, it was one of our histories saddest parts of history. But did you expect the national guard to break off command and the president and wage a war against the KKK and all the cities and states with Jim crow laws?
The true heroes of the story are the kids (and their parents) and community activists who really got things done.- Agreed, also the president who sent the national guard to protect them.
Where were they during the decades of Jim Crow? They had guns and training then right?
So you complain that the National Guard should not wage war against citizens, and you complain that they didnt wage a war against racism, which would have resulted in deaths to citizens from both sides no doubt. Make up your mind already.
The witnesses could have a vested reason to lie, just like the police. Sadly I don't think there are many "neutral" people in these sorts of situations. Alternatively they could have simply thought they saw something different, or their perceptions of events were influenced by other reports. They've done tons of studies on how leading questions and phrasing can lead to people recalling differently. All it might have taken was one mistaken hearsay that they shot him in the back, and then everyone else incorporated it into their story. It's why eyewitness testimony from anyone there, including the parties directly involved, is going to be somewhat suspect.
The autopsy does seem to rule out any shots fired in a struggle for a gun, at least, so that's a bit more concrete info than we had.
(Cue how a camera could strongly suggest a more objective narrative.)
I've always been curious about the multiple autopsy thing. I don't feel like MEs are exactly working on the impression that someone else is going to be coming in after them--wouldn't the federal examiners be suffering badly from the get-go for not being able to start with the corpse in its original state? And this would be the third, no, after the usual autopsy by the state?
Thanks for the link. Trying to keep track of current events/developing stories is always a pain.
Feel like im going to get shit on for saying this but the autopsy really just nullified this entire story. At first this was being framed as if the victim was surrendering and assuming thr position before a rabid gun toting fanatic cop decided to take him out. The fact that Dorian's story is demonstrably false now and most of the eyewitness testimony has just been turned to garbage regarding how the incident went down as far as position during the act of the shooting really should put some perspective into this story.
The fact that this case has acted as a tipping point regarding race relations in the u.s. is kind of a shame since there are numerous cases that are more egregious such as the ny choke hold victim and trayvon martin. But I guess that's what happens when you take stories at face value before the information comes out.
The ensuing riots during protests as well as the local police force dick waving contest is still terrible, but this incident is starting to look a lot more 50/50 as a result of that autopsy report. If gun powder residue shows up on his clothes to confirm that the shots happened close range it's going to a justified shooting.
The fact that this case has acted as a tipping point regarding race relations in the u.s. is kind of a shame since there are numerous cases that are more egregious such as the ny choke hold victim and trayvon martin. But I guess that's what happens when you take stories at face value before the information comes out.
The ensuing riots during protests as well as the local police force dick waving contest is still terrible, but this incident is starting to look a lot more 50/50 as a result of that autopsy report. If gun powder residue shows up on his clothes to confirm that the shots happened close range it's going to a justified shooting.
How does the autopsy invalidate previous eyewitness statements?
DrForester
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Quick version of what happened last night?
How did things go so bad last night when things went well on Saturday night?
How did things go so bad last night when things went well on Saturday night?
I'm not going to shit on you, but the fact that he was shot multiple times at mid-range (roughly 35 feet) and unarmed would indicate he was not a threat to the officer from that distance. That right there speaks volumes about excessive force.
Yes you are, simply because the autopsy results nullify nothing right now.
Cops claim an assembly of people attacked/encroached their command center, so they fired tear gas on them 3 hours before curfew, which upset everyone and caused a huge clash.
Ya there was clear evidence of excessive force, but they may try to downplay it with theses new findings and getting a murder charge may prove even more difficult now.
The Lamonster
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Things only went we'll because it was raining on Saturday night.
If you are to believe the witnesses, (one of which is an accomplice during a robbery), the officer with no disciplinary record shot numerous times at a fleeing suspect without provocation eithout hitting him, and once the suspect turned around the officer put 6 bullets in him from 35 ft including 2 in the head.
Occams razor and all that.
benjipwns
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And the Governor and some other officials.
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