Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Have the police already claimed this guy knew nothing about the shoplifting?
 
CNN right now is talking about someone who was interviewed at a radio station who was close to Wilson. What she said was similar to Wilson's (ofcourse since he told her). However, this is not a witness.
 
Secret Fawful said:
Just wanting to point out to people: I don't believe Crenshaw is a new witness. She's the one, or one of the ones, who originally had to hand in her photos and video + cell phone to the police?
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She isn't a new witness, but she has barely been discussed if at all in this thread. I did not read the earlier posts, so she may have been mentioned then but not for quite awhile.

I compiled a list of witness accounts yesterday but between the early teargassing and the autopsy report, only one person really commented. Here is my post (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=125882705&highlight=#post125882705).
 
Fiction said:
Multiple Witness Statements: Brown was running away, shots were fired and might have tagged him, he stopped, turned around, put his hands in the air and said 'Don't shoot.' Then he was shot several times in the face and head.

Officers statement: Brown was charging him when the shots were fired.
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4 times neck and below. 2 to the head.
 
HuskerDutheDu said:
Yep.
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Wow, so them mentioning it at all at the police conference was just pure character assassination.

That John Oliver video made me realize that they're arming police in Georgia with tanks and gear that will never be necessary, but they can't manage to get enough winter equipment to stop Atlanta from getting trapped on roads every couple of years when it ices over. Last year was the worst I'd ever seen, cars left on the highway and kids having to sleep at their schools because GA is that stunted when it comes to dealing with ice. But let's send some more tanks.
 
MorisUkunRasik said:
based on what?
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Why would a cop pull a suspect into the car through the window? What possible reason would there be for that? I am most certainly not going to defend this shooting based on the accounts of the several witnesses, but trying to pull Brown into the car doesn't seem likely.
 
Officerrob said:
A guy in a seated position (giving-up all leverage), is going to try and pull a large man through a car window? For what exactly? What's the end game of pulling him into the car with you?
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His ability to think under pressure is definitely under scrunity since it's very likely he shot someone several times while surrendering. The window scuffle wouldn't be the most foolish thing he had done to Brown that day.
 
Wait, wtf? CNN talking about an autopsy where there were two shots that were back to front, including one to the head? I thought I heard this morning that they were all from the front.
 
mattiewheels said:
Have the police already claimed this guy knew nothing about the shoplifting?
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The Chief of Police first said that this incident had nothing to do with the robbery/shoplifting/larceny/whatever, and that Wilson had no knowledge of it before the encounter.

Then, later, he said "well he probably saw Brown carrying the cigars and pieced it together, he probably knew"
 
I know many will have a knee jerk visceral reaction, but some prominent conservatives are joining the liberal and libertarian alliance over these police outrages, and all of us regardless of politics should join together to stop this scourge.

Mark steyn writes for national review and makes the point that not having cameras is a choice, and a calculated one by corrupt law enforcement, and also goes into the history of why American militarized police forces lead to a horrific abuse of power by the police that leads to these murders. Some interesting perspectives and refutation of bad conservative arguments in favor of the police.

Great statistics on the us vs the rest of the world and how terrible our cops are by comparison.

http://www.steynonline.com/6524/cigars-but-not-close
 
Flo_Evans said:
I'm sure the people shot last night don't really find this funny.
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My point is that the cops are not the ones who need protecting.

If anything, the National Guard should be there to take over the situation and not to defend the police.

I have yet to hear any claims of any officers involved being injured, unlike the citizens of Ferguson.
 
mattiewheels said:
Wow, so them mentioning it at all at the police conference was just pure character assassination.

That John Oliver video made me realize that they're arming police in Georgia with tanks and gear that will never be necessary, but they can't manage to get enough winter equipment to stop Atlanta from getting trapped on roads every couple of years when it ices over. Last year was the worst I'd ever seen, cars left on the highway and kids having to sleep at their schools because GA is that stunted when it comes to dealing with ice. But let's send some more tanks.
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Alot of the military equipment comes "free" from the DoD as "donations".
 
belvedere said:
Wait, wtf? CNN talking about an autopsy where there were two shots that were back to front, including one to the head? I thought I heard this morning that they were all from the front.
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It's been said that the gunshot to his arm could have been suffered with his back turned or while facing the officer. It's not 100% clear.
 
zewone said:
My point is that the cops are not the ones who need protecting.

If anything, the National Guard should be there to take over the situation and not to defend the police.

I have yet to hear any claims of any officers involved being injured, unlike the citizens of Ferguson.
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There are multiple officer injuries. You are not paying attention or just ignoring facts.

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOV.com) – At least 10 people, including three officers, suffered injuries and at least 75 people have been arrested in the aftermath of an officer-involved shooting that killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.
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belvedere said:
Wait, wtf? CNN talking about an autopsy where there were two shots that were back to front, including one to the head? I thought I heard this morning that they were all from the front.
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The two shots two the head, were "front to back" in relation to the body.

One entered from above the top of the head and exited through the eye.

The other entered the top of the head and ended toward the front of the head.

Again, it's in relation to the body, not the confrontation. They all technically entered "from the front".
 
It's not beyond reason to think the officer was trying to hold Brown's arm or stop him getting away and not try to pull him in the car. Just because the witness assumes that's what's happening doesn't make it fact. It doesn't change what they saw that much in relation to the position of the parties involved.
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
Where'd you see/hear that?
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Police blocking off QT.

edit: hearing national guard is there to protect police command center. Not going to be on "front lines"
 
elrechazado said:
I know many will have a knee jerk visceral reaction, but some prominent conservatives are joining the liberal and libertarian alliance over these police outrages, and all of us regardless of politics should join together to stop this scourge.

Mark steyn writes for national review and makes the point that not having cameras is a choice, and a calculated one by corrupt law enforcement, and also goes into the history of why American militarized police forces lead to a horrific abuse of power by the police that leads to these murders. Some interesting perspectives and refutation of bad conservative arguments in favor of the police.

Great statistics on the us vs the rest of the world and how terrible our cops are by comparison.

http://www.steynonline.com/6524/cigars-but-not-close
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I think people would be surprised at how many conservatives are against the militarization of the police and get just as outraged by police brutality as anyone else. I know it is hard to imagine as most people (GAF included) like to paint things in absolutes.
 
mattiewheels said:
Wow, so them mentioning it at all at the police conference was just pure character assassination.

That John Oliver video made me realize that they're arming police in Georgia with tanks and gear that will never be necessary, but they can't manage to get enough winter equipment to stop Atlanta from getting trapped on roads every couple of years when it ices over. Last year was the worst I'd ever seen, cars left on the highway and kids having to sleep at their schools because GA is that stunted when it comes to dealing with ice. But let's send some more tanks.
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The PD simply does not have an ounce of concern for the community. Almost every action they've taken from the start was purely to cover their asses and the release of that video against the DoJ and the Governor's advice was pretty much the peak of that cowardice.

fastford58 said:
I think people would be surprised at how many conservatives are against the militarization of the police and get just as outraged by police brutality as anyone else. I know it is hard to imagine as most people (GAF included) like to paint things in absolutes.
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This isn't a situation that should be logically split between liberal and conservative ideals, anyways. There are very blatant violations of civil rights at play here that should upset everyone.
 
I heard that the FBI or whoever didn't want the robbery footage released, but that the police released it anyway.

Is there any link that shows the FBI/DoJ didn't want it released? I have people saying it's not true and I'd love some backup.
 
kehs said:
The two shots two the head, were "front to back" in relation to the body.

One entered from above the top of the head and exited through the eye.

The other entered the top of the head and ended toward the front of the head.

Again, it's in relation to the body, not the confrontation. They all technically entered "from the front".
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Am I reading this correctly when I interpret this that Brown was shot while his back was turned on the officers?
 
Fiction said:
Multiple Witness Statements: Brown was running away, shots were fired and might have tagged him, he stopped, turned around, put his hands in the air and said 'Don't shoot.' Then he was shot several times in the upper body and head.

Officers statement: Brown was charging him when the shots were fired.
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Hopefully we get results from the blood spatter analysis soon... Any idea how long that usually takes?
 
timetokill said:
I heard that the FBI or whoever didn't want the robbery footage released, but that the police released it anyway.

Is there any link that shows the FBI/DoJ didn't want it released? I have people saying it's not true and I'd love some backup.
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Just a tweet I saw...and it was the DOJ, not the FBI.

But yesterday on Meet the Press Gov. Jay Nixon said he didn't like that it was released either.
 
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