Support NeoGAF

[Byakuya769]

Hey guyzzz! Not sure if anyone has seen this article that calls into questions multiple eye witness accounts, but I think it's important that we think about it.

Not sure where I'm at on this. Was he or was he not on PCP?

Just asking the questions that need to be asked.

kekekekekekekekekekkekeekekekekekek.

 

[CorvoSol]

They are not close to the same, BUT Robbery in the 2nd degree is a felony in Missouri

That's not the point though. If I say someone is a "felon" nobody is going to think I mean that guy stole a pack of cigarillos. They're going to think he did something way worse than that. Calling it a felony isn't simply a convenient and apt legal term to describe this. It's a word that's being used to characterize what happened and cast suspicion upon the mental state of this crime's victim.

Everything about talking about Brown's previous actions that day is wrong. He's the victim. The dead man. The one with six bullets in his body. He's not the man who fired six times into an unarmed man's body. That's the man whose mind we should consider. That is the crime that we ought to be reminding everybody is serious. That is the body I want to know which drugs were inside of.

I don't care if it is a felony. The term is loaded and it misleads people from understanding what actually happened. It's especially asinine when you say it being a felony effects the mind of a guy because so few people think of crimes in terms of "oh this is a felony." It's a felony to steal music off the net but most people don't go "Oh damn this totally changes how I'm going to deal with a police confrontation."

Like I said, they're not even remotely similar crimes, they wouldn't remotely effect one's mind, and so calling them both the same thing in this incident, even if it is legally correct, is misleading in the worst way.

 

[B-Dubs]

I feel like that video posted two days ago needs to be reposted where you hear people talking in the background about mike charging the cop.

http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/

That's hardly a reputable news source.

 

[ishibear]

You don't get to dictate who posts and who doesn't. Sorry if I'm going against your bias, but you're going to have to deal with it.

The story is pretty different across the spectrum. Several have him being shot in the back turning around and being shot with his hands up. One or two have the cop shooting him while prone on the street. Others have him kneeling and others have him attacking the cop.

Okay, stick around if you like. You won't be my problem for long.

 

[kehs]

I feel like that video posted two days ago needs to be reposted where you hear people talking in the background about mike charging the cop.

http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/

That's the single one I'm talking about. That person has not come out and presented that as eye witness.

Why do you think that's takes precedent over 4 different people telling similar accounts of the event individually?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

That's hardly a reputable news source.

The website isn't important. The video is.

What witness said he attacked the cop? Sources needed.

It's on CNN and the link I just posted and posted days ago.

 

[everyday math]

Some people on twitter have reported F16s over the skies.

Need better sources.

 

[Htown]

why are y'all still playing with that dude?

 

[BronsonLee]

Brolic, this is your future!

 

[eddievanclaylen]

The police in Ferguson already have military style vehicles, body armor and weapons ... why the hell do they need to call in the National Guard? This isn't going to end well.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

6 different witnesses all saying he was surrendering, plus an autopsy that states that all shots were most likely at a distance, and that there was no sign of a struggle, vs. one saying that he tried to charge the officer, and SOME people instantly believe the latter while comparing Brown to infamous domestic terrorists. What in the entire fuck?

 

[Ovid]

Wow, that is so sad and so true.

Exclusive Documentary Footage of Mike Brown Running:

This too.

 

[CountBlack]

so apparently with weed in his system, it turned him into Tony Montana at the end of Scarface

 

[Devolution]

There's offering up different points of view, then there is linking some fucked up article and making statements out of your ass about Michael's psychology because of some fucking cherry picked incidents of cops bumping into serial and mass killers getting twitchy and acting strange.

 

[Corronchilejano]

I feel like that video posted two days ago needs to be reposted where you hear people talking in the background about mike charging the cop.

http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/

The two unidentified witnesses say the cop was shooting at Brown as he approached him, as if the cop started the hostilities.

In either case, the cop fucked up.

 

[Trouble]

Some people on twitter have reported F16s over the skies.

Need better sources.

I can't imagine what the point would be. Obama isn't going to authorize airstrikes on an American city.

 

[bob_arctor]

I feel like that video posted two days ago needs to be reposted where you hear people talking in the background about mike charging the cop.

http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/

Sigh.

 

[commedieu]

6 different witnesses all saying he was surrendering, plus an autopsy that states that all shots were most likely at a distance, and that there was no sign of a struggle, vs. one saying that he tried to charge the officer, and SOME people instantly believe the latter while comparing Brown to infamous domestic terrorists. What in the entire fuck?

Well, he does have some obscure website with nonsense on it that hes backing 100% versus everything else...

 

[Rembrandt]

There's offering up different points of view, then there is linking some fucked up article and making statements out of your ass about Michael's psychology because of some fucking cherry picked incidents of cops bumping into serial and mass killers getting twitchy and acting strange.

Seriously, what a fucking stupid comparison. He literally compared him to serial killers, lmao.

 

[EdibleKnife]

I knew someone would make this leap... It has NOTHING to do with it! I was replying to "frame of mind", and why a hypothetical person with no criminal record MIGHT attack an officer when confronted. If that person has just committed a felony, that's a pretty big factor

He's not Robert De Niro in Heat. He stole cigs. That hardly suggests the mindset of "I'LL DIE BEFORE I GO BACK TO THE CLINK, MAN!"

 

[zewone]

I knew someone would make this leap... It has NOTHING to do with it! I was replying to "frame of mind", and why a hypothetical person with no criminal record MIGHT attack an officer when confronted. If that person has just committed a felony, that's a pretty big factor

You're talking about situation where Mike Brown may have assaulted the officer and then ran away.

After the officer is out of danger, and kills Mike Brown, it's murder.

It doesn't matter why he was punched in the face. It's irrelevant.

 

[everyday math]

I can't imagine what the point would be. Obama isn't going to authorize airstrikes on an American city.

Who knows

@MarshallGReport: Jefferson City NAACP to hold march & demonstration for #MichaelBrown tonite @ 6:30 on Lincoln Univ. campus in Jeff City. #FergusonShooting

 

[Officerrob]

Do you believe he knew he committed a felony vs a misdemeanor?

Absolutely not. Unlike a lot of people in this thread, I don't try and assume what someone was thinking. I do believe he knew he committed a crime though...

 

[soundahfekz]

6 different witnesses all saying he was surrendering, plus an autopsy that states that all shots were most likely at a distance, and that there was no sign of a struggle, vs. one saying that he tried to charge the officer, and SOME people instantly believe the latter while comparing Brown to infamous domestic terrorists. What in the entire fuck?

Racism.

 

[Stinkles]

Brolic brings good balance to the thread. Too much emphasis being put on Occam's Razor and likely scenarios and not enough on unlikely and hyper complex ideas that support Ferguson PD.

 

[LiK]

Absolutely not. Unlike a lot of people in this thread, I don't try and assume what someone was thinking. I do believe he knew he committed a crime though...

Yea, 2 days community service at most.

 

[BronsonLee]

Again, since there was no evidence of a struggle on Brown, that would indicate to me that he definitely didn't punch/kick Wilson, as there would be damage marks. So attack is probably not the correct word to use there.

Brolic brings good balance to the thread. Too much emphasis being put on Occam's Razor and likely scenarios and not enough on unlikely and hyper complex ideas that support Ferguson PD.

This is the Ferguson PD's favorite show to watch while on break!

 

[benjipwns]

I knew someone would make this leap... It has NOTHING to do with it! I was replying to "frame of mind", and why a hypothetical person with no criminal record MIGHT attack an officer when confronted. If that person has just committed a felony, that's a pretty big factor

Don't forget he had marijuana in his system which implies not only was his frame of mind possibly impaired but that he had likely committed earlier felonies but was not caught because of our undersupplied police forces.

 

[Trouble]

The police in Ferguson already have military style vehicles, body armor and weapons ... why the hell do they need to call in the National Guard? This isn't going to end well.

Honestly, people with actual military training are probably better prepared to handle the situation than local cops with military equipment, but no training. At least, I hope so.

Simply the fact that we've constantly seen cops training their guns on unarmed civilians makes me want them gone. Military have been trained with rules of engagement that include not leveling your weapon at non-threats.

 

[Officerrob]

Yea, 2 days community service at most.

5-15 years for felony in the second degree

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I feel like that video posted two days ago needs to be reposted where you hear people talking in the background about mike charging the cop.

http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/

Yes, keep believing every piece of fabricated evidence that supports your set-in-stone opinion on the case. Here's your star sticker.

 

[theWB27]

I feel like that video posted two days ago needs to be reposted where you hear people talking in the background about mike charging the cop.

http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/

Even if he did rush....cops are trained to take people down in a non-lethal manner with non lethal gear. Why did the cop reach for the gun first...instead of taking the kid down non-lethally?

Why was the kid shot 6 times by a trained cop? 6 times is an awful lot of shots for someone trained to handle life threatening situations.

SIX shots were fired. There have been many cases of regular folk who say they feared for their lives who shot less than that.

 

[Jado]

Meh, I don't think that's exactly true. The top case usually results in discussions on gun control, bullying, and mental health treatment. With that said I get the point, it's just lazily done

You inadvertently agreed with the comic strip.

The narrative around white mass murderer:
-What mental health problems did he have? More attention/research is needed to combat this.
-Did bullying play a role? Schools and parents must do better for our kids.
-What could society have done to avoid this tragedy (gun control)?
-Where did this one-promising young man take a wrong turn in life? He was so kind and caring.

Murdered unarmed black person:
-What did he do to deserve death? Maybe it was justified in some action he took before being brutally killed.
-Were there drugs in his system? It could have made him aggressive.
-Was he a violent thug or immoral in any way? Let's find any evidence in his life history.
-Let's contrast how much of a good person his killer was.

 

[Gonzalez]

You highlight why its literally true. The top case is exactly how white people that commit crimes are treated In america.

Really? It's usually "We need tougher gun laws so these crazy gun nuts won't get there hands on more powerful stuff", or with FOX News it's "Violent video games, and movies are shaping are most disturbed youths minds, not our gun laws".

 

[B-Dubs]

Again, since there was no evidence of a struggle on Brown, that would indicate to me that he definitely didn't punch/kick Wilson, as there would be damage marks. So attack is probably not the correct word to use there.

Yes, if there was a struggle there would have been evidence of such on the body.

 

[Rembrandt]

5-15 years for felony in the second degree

It was his first offense, definitely would have gotten off with community service.

 

[Byakuya769]

Brolic brings good balance to the thread. Too much emphasis being put on Occam's Razor and likely scenarios and not enough on unlikely and hyper complex ideas that support Ferguson PD.

Haha, good point. Sounds fair and balanced to me.

Next up, climate change. Have you reeeeeeeeaaally thought about the problems in the "science"?

 

[ReAxion]

There's offering up different points of view, then there is linking some fucked up article and making statements out of your ass about Michael's psychology because of some fucking cherry picked incidents of cops bumping into serial and mass killers getting twitchy and acting strange.

I remember when the cops killed those serial killers, too.

 

[Corronchilejano]

Absolutely not. Unlike a lot of people in this thread, I don't try and assume what someone was thinking. I do believe he knew he committed a crime though...

Police officers that stick to technicalities to justify appropiate response are scary.

 

[marrec]

Reposting for new page.

This "open letter" is interesting. Definitely gives credence to the release of the video, although the timing was atrocious.


http://m.lawofficer.com/article/lifeline-training/open-letter-captain-ronald-s-j

It's not interesting at all. It's full of false equivalencies and only goes to illuminate the mindset of law enforcement officers as a protective fraternity that will look for any excuse to vindicate their fellow officers, even if they have to compare Brown to Tim McVeigh and Ted Bundy.

Fucking gross.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

Seriously, what a fucking stupid comparison. He literally compared him to serial killers, lmao.

He was gone from the thread for a while too. I can only imagine him searching for something this whole time and running across that article and video and going "Hah! This'll convince those reverse-racists!"

 

[benjipwns]

Police officers that stick to technicalities to justify appropiate response are scary.

You only find that scary because you haven't studied the applicable case law.

 

[Officerrob]

You inadvertently agreed with the comic strip.

The narrative around white mass murderer:
-What mental health problems did he have? More attention/research is needed to combat this.
-Did bullying play a role? Schools and parents must do better for our kids.
-What could society have done to avoid this tragedy (gun control)?
-Where did this one-promising young man take a wrong turn in life? He was so kind and caring.

Murdered unarmed black person:
-What did he do to deserve death? Maybe it was justified in some action he took before being brutally killed.
-Were there drugs in his system? It could have made him aggressive.
-Was he a violent thug or immoral in any way? Let's find any evidence in his life history.
-Let's contrast how much of a good person his killer was.

What you just laid out I absolutely agree with. Unfortunately all the comic stated was your final point in the narrative about the white shooter. Like I said, I get the point, I just think it's lazily done

 

[Gonzalez]

Don't forget he had marijuana in his system which implies not only was his frame of mind possibly impaired but that he had likely committed earlier felonies but was not caught because of our undersupplied police forces.

Is there an echo in here?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

The website isn't important. The video is.





It's on CNN and the link I just posted and posted days ago.

So what d yo think happened or could have happened?

Brown assaulted the officer, ran and then came back (since he was shot from medium distance he had to at least walked/ran away at some point) charged at the cop. the officer shot at him several times hitting him 5 times including one shot that somehow entered his palm ( cause everyone runs at people with their palms exposed) and one shot that entered above his browline, exited his chin and re-entered into his collarbone...so the last shot occurred while Brown was at like a 30 degree angle facing Wilson?

 

[ishibear]

Benji weren't you warned to stop being sarcastic earlier by a mod? What's your problem?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Yes, keep believing every piece of fabricated evidence that supports your set-in-stone opinion on the case. Here's your star sticker.

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

 

[BronsonLee]

Yes, if there was a struggle there would have been evidence of such on the body.

There are ways for him to injure Wilson without hitting him, of course, but if there was an altercation, it doesn't seem like it was particularly major.

Don't forget he had marijuana in his system which implies not only was his frame of mind possibly impaired but that he had likely committed earlier felonies but was not caught because of our undersupplied police forces.

Goddamnit benji

 

[Hige]

Is it confirmed that Mike Brown actually stole anything? He supposedly paid for the rellos without showing ID in the new surveillance video, I thought? But everyone here keeps saying he stole them. It's the slowest damn "robbery" I've ever seen.

 

[Devolution]

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

Yeah cops just killing black people for existing. Definitely far fetched. The fuck. Get some perspective.