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[Brolic Gaoler]

How does the cop's story have more evidence backing it? It has far less evidence in fact.

Poor wording on my part. I mean there's more coming out. Shots from the front, more witnesses coming out on his behalf and potential for negative mindset post robbery when confronted with police.

 

[SimpleGamer]

Fruitvale Station murder

Did that cop go to prison??

 

[ishibear]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.

A friend who was RIGHT THERE. It's not like Brown could've told him to say this or that. Remember? He was murdered by a cop who ran off with his tail between his legs afterwards.

Everything you say just really sucks.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

There's definitely not a difference between seeing what happened and being told what happened.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Which could still be argued he wasn't trying to kill the guy, just trying to control him. It was still wrong, but it's questionable if he was trying to kill the man.

The man screamed "I can't breathe!" eight times. The officer didn't let him go until he was dead.

 

[commedieu]

This is astonishing to watch.. What is this called? Cognitive dissonance?

 

[TheOMan]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

Um...he was there as an eyewitness.

This CNN source was not. It's pure hearsay.

What are you doing?

???

 

[BronsonLee]

I don't believe it. Brown taunting the officer sounds like bullshit.

Clearly Officer Wilson taught The Juggernaut a lesson on this day!

That's why CNN hasn't reported it until now, they said that when the first started talking about it.

Yeah, he told her the story and that's what CNN ran with.

At least they had the decency to preface it..but yeah, that's bad. Also goddamnit why haven't we gotten Wilson's account yet? This third-hand stuff is nonsense. Explain your shots.

 

[FreddieQuell]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

That story has been corroborated by multiple other witnesses. Wilson's story has only been corroborated by his friends.

 

[BlastProcessing]

It's a confused point. What is this guy trying to argue? All of his examples are of situations where officers were able to apprehend someone without shooting them 6 times...

 

[GamingIsDead]

A trained officer is justified in killing a teenager for running at him unarmed?

What about any of the non-lethal options the officer had available and was trained to use?

There is nothing justifiable in any of the scenarios where someone should have been killed.

Meh I think it's justified in this case. Brown wasn't a small weakling and I doubt the cop would have all the time in the world for alternatives.

These what if scenarios are always unfair.

 

[benjipwns]

Benji weren't you warned to stop being sarcastic earlier by a mod? What's your problem?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being facetious.

This. He's going to end up banned if he keeps it up.

It'll probably be for less than ten days just to piss me off. And then people on here will be saying I deserve to be shot to death because I was banned and not because I'm terrible.

Gah, benji, seriously please stop. I know you're being sarcastic, but only from what others have said - you're doing it so badly that it's hard to tell yours from a serious post without knowing beforehand.

It's the argument that matters, not the messenger.

You can honestly never tell with Benji, pretty sure he's not a wack-a-doo though.

You've got that backwards.

One can always tell.

 

[block tower]

CNN has a radio recording from a friend of Wilson's calling into a rdio station giving Wilson's account of what happened. his version doesn't at all go with what witnesses claim to see, so Wilson's account is definitely different than the accounts of people who tell Mike Brown's version of the incident. i have to say, Wilson's friends version of the account is very bizarre, it paints Wilson as a complete helpless victim, and paints Mike Brown as dangerous ,unreasonable antagonizer. so im not so sure i buy this version only because it paints these two in such stark contrast of the prior versions of what eye witneeses have claimed to see. but who knows.

 

[bob_arctor]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.

Yeah, you can discount yourself from providing any "insight" into the case with this sort of horseshit.

 

[everyday math]

@ABC: JUST IN: Pres. Obama expected to speak on the situations in Ferguson, Mo., and Iraq around 4 p.m. ET - @marykbruce / @jonkarl

!

 

[BHZ Mayor]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

Yeah, it's pretty well accepted because it lines up FIVE other unrelated witness accounts and the autopsy. You know, the stuff you keep ignoring.

 

[Flo_Evans]

CNN has a radio recording from a friend of Wilson's calling into a rdio station giving Wilson's account of what happened. his version doesn't at all go with what witnesses claim to see, so Wilson's account is definitely different than the accounts of people who tell Mike Brown's version of the incident. i have to say, Wilson's friends version of the account is very bizarre, it paints Wilson as a complete helpless victim, and paints Mike Brown as dangerous ,unreasonable antagonizer. so im not so sure i buy this version only because it paints these two in such stark contrast of the prior versions of what eye witneeses have claimed to see. but who knows.

I think this account is pretty useless as evidence. Its more like a preview of the defense.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being facetious.


It'll probably be for less than ten days just to piss me off. And then people on here will be saying I deserve to be shot to death because I was banned and not because I'm terrible.


It's the argument that matters, not the messenger.


You've got that backwards.

One can always tell.

Oh you :lol

I'm going to miss you when you're gone. I really am.

 

[Aaron]

Meh I think it's justified in this case. Brown wasn't a small weakling and I doubt the cop would have all the time in the world for alternatives.

These what if scenarios are always unfair.

This is just the situation police are trained to handle. If he couldn't handle it, he shouldn't have been a cop.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

This is astonishing to watch.. What is this called? Cognitive dissonance?

Tunnel vision? or some combination of both.

Best I can figure is someone places utmost importance on "balance" and/or "fairness," but has a flawed perspective of both.

These what if scenarios are always unfair.

You wanna talk about unfair?

 

[commedieu]

!

Turn that exclamation upside down. President was barely awake the last time he glossed over it to deliver an uninspiring generic message about civil rights abuses/militarized police out of control/assaulting journalists/etc.

 

[MHWilliams]

No see I learned in this very thread that cops don't have very good aiming so they go straight for center-mass to "neutralize" their targets instead of incapacitating them with a shot to the leg or knee, especially w/ unarmed citizens .

Most police training is based on the idea that the gun is the last resort. If a gun is required, you should be shooting to stop the threat. Center-mass is how they're trained, but realize that shooting a gun in the heat of a moment means you're not getting the most accurate of shots.

The problem is guns are becoming less of a last resort for some.

 

[demosthenes]

CNN has a radio recording from a friend of Wilson's calling into a rdio station giving Wilson's account of what happened. his version doesn't at all go with what witnesses claim to see, so Wilson's account is definitely different than the accounts of people who tell Mike Brown's version of the incident. i have to say, Wilson's friends version of the account is very bizarre, it paints Wilson as a complete helpless victim, and paints Mike Brown as dangerous ,unreasonable antagonizer. so im not so sure i buy this version only because it paints these two in such stark contrast of the prior versions of what eye witneeses have claimed to see. but who knows.

I wouldn't believe someone calling into a radio station.

 

[Devolution]

A story someone tells a friend that covers their ass. Whoda thunk it.

 

[El Odio]

I've been gone for a day and it seems that the latest breakthroughs here are that Brown was indeed shot multiple times but the police justify it in that he attempted to charge the officer correct?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING THERE!

The hell is wrong with you?

BRUH

C'MON

The friend who watched Brown be shot?

You have got to be playing devil's advocate here. And you're not doing a good job.

Wasn't he an actual eyewitness, though?

And you know this, seriously, what are you doing? For real, man. You already compared him to mass murders now you're saying the accuracy of someone that actually seen what happened vs somebody that heard about what happened from the murder should be the same?

1st hand witness vs hearsay.

Who was actually there with him. What?

There's a vast ocean of distance between seeing something happen and hearing about it from some guy.

You must be trolling not to realize this.

She wasn't there, but she's privy to his side of the story and it jives with (again) what was shown in the video I linked. But you're all right, I shouldn't put the two witnesses/accounts on the same level. That was/is stupid on my part.

That story has been corroborated by multiple other witnesses. Wilson's story has only been corroborated by his friends.

And the background chatter on the video I linked.

A story someone tells a friend that covers their ass. Whoda thunk it.

Assuming he's lying. Again, there's a possibility he's in the right.

 

[marrec]

I know that some people would rather feign impartiality but come the fuck on.

A friend of Wilson who was told a story by Wilson isn't fucking anything and is not comparable to someone who was actually there.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I'll preface this by saying I only know the absolute basics about gun use.
Center-mass is a rule for anyone shooting a gun, unless there's a very specific reason to aim for the head/other body parts. You're shooting to kill, so you shoot the largest target. That's center-mass. You attempt to shoot someone in the leg/knee, you're reducing your accuracy while still providing a potentially lethal shot.

Dunno man, I just think it's pretty phucked up all the same. It's obvious I've not handled a gun, but if I ever decide to do so at a target range or such, I'd try aiming for a leg, hand, or shoulder before any vital spot, especially if they aren't moving or are moving very slow and paced. That's just me.

Not a lot of people can brush off a bullet to their knee, they're gonna drop in some way. Shoot them in the hands and they can't pick up a gun. Shoot them in the legs/knees and they can't really move. Unless they've got a bomb and a suicide wish on them, they're no longer much of a threat in my eyes and you can still save a bit of your conscious along the way.

 

[everyday math]

Turn that exclamation upside down. President was barely awake the last time he glossed over it to deliver an uninspiring generic message about civil rights abuses/militarized police out of control/assaulting journalists/etc.

Ok
¡

 

[Oblong Schlong]

41 shots, Lena gets her son ready for school
She says, "On these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you, promise me you'll always be polite
And that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it a wallet (is it a wallet), this is your life (this is your life)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

-Bruce Springsteen - 41 Shots



Just for the hell of it: the alleged robbery is slightly relevant- the sadly deceased may have thought the police attention was related to the robbery and reacted accordingly...

However, that really doesn't hold up; a petty thief wouldn't go for a cop's gun, not a cop with an armed partner alongside him. Witness accounts indicate the same.

I'm not American, nor am I black, but it crushes me to think on this stuff, man.

 

[ishibear]

Meh I think it's justified in this case. Brown wasn't a small weakling and I doubt the cop would have all the time in the world for alternatives.

These what if scenarios are always unfair.

Are you gonna argue that your bias is what makes your opinion shitty too?

 

[benjipwns]

I've been gone for a day and it seems that the latest breakthroughs here are that Brown was indeed shot multiple times but the police justify it in that he attempted to charge the officer correct?

And that he may have had marijuana in his system.

 

[zewone]

Meh I think it's justified in this case. Brown wasn't a small weakling and I doubt the cop would have all the time in the world for alternatives.

These what if scenarios are always unfair.

I'm pretty sure the mace and baton is the same distance from his arm as the gun since they are all attached to their waist line.

 

[kehs]

I just can't wrap my head around the scenario of Brown running away to run back at the officer. It defies all common sense and shouldn't put the fear of death into anyone, let along a police officer.


The County did and there was no mention of it. You would think that them being so quick to tell us about him having had marijuana in his system, this would have been mentioned.

Except, it wasn't brought up because it's not a good look.

County hasn't released anything publicly.

 

[GamingIsDead]

This is just the situation police are trained to handle. If he couldn't handle it, he shouldn't have been a cop.

Right and we still are unsure if he handled it incorrectly.

 

[Byakuya769]

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being facetious.

I tried to raise this distinction once before. Didn't go very well.

For what it's worth, I recognized the posts for what they were on first reading. You're stacking multiple absurdities in one-three sentences is a good sign of the intent.

Contrast this with posts that lead with an effort to either call the thread biased, or inform the reader that the poster is being objective and waiting for all the facts, and THEN leads in with an odious opinion.

 

[Devolution]

Assuming he's lying. Again, there's a possibility he's in the right.

So?

You put her relaying information that was told to her by Wilson on the same level as independent witnesses. Who are you kidding at this point?

 

[FreddieQuell]

She wasn't there, but she's privy to his side of the story and it jives with (again) what was shown in the video I linked. But you're all right, I shouldn't put the two witnesses on the same level. That was/is stupid on my part.




And the background chatter on the video I linked.

That background chatter is by no means conclusive in supporting Wilson's side of the story. The "He kept coming toward him" can easily be referring to the officer.

 

[everyday math]

@TheAPJournalist: ACLU releases statement condemning police abuse in #Ferguson: https://t.co/2vl1M8c0YE #MichaelBrown

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/black_leaders_joint_statement_-_final_-_8-18.pdf

 

[block tower]

I think this account is pretty useless as evidence. Its more like a preview of the defense.

i just have a hard time believing Brown went all Hulk on Wilson. im not saying it isn't possible, but how crazy would you have to be to assault an officer, taunt him, and then charge at Wilson. i just think that account is off, if only because it paints Brown as a complete bad guy, and conversely makes Wilson a good guy who was utterly helpless while also having prior knowledge of Vrown taking the cigars from the conscience store.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

That background chatter is by no means conclusive in supporting Wilson's side of the story. The "He kept coming toward him" can easily be referring to the officer.

Says volumes that he instantly thinks it's referring to Brown.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

So?

You put her relaying information that was told to her by Wilson on the same level as independent witnesses. Who are you kidding at this point?

What does my stupidity in that statement have to do with the fact he may be justified?

Again, how is it 100% Brown the random background people were talking about when they said 'He kept coming (or possibly going)'?

Did you listen to the video? they are talking about the event that just happened.

 

[theWB27]

Right and we still are unsure if he handled it incorrectly.

He's been on the force for 5(+)years and is trained. Has non-lethal means to handle a situation. An unarmed kid is dead with six shots in him. It wasn't handled correctly on any level.

 

[MHWilliams]

Dunno man, I just think it's pretty phucked up all the same. It's obvious I've not handled a gun, but if I ever decide to do so at a target range or such, I'd try aiming for a leg, hand, or shoulder before any vital spot, especially if they aren't moving or are moving very slow and paced. That's just me.

Not a lot of people can brush off a bullet to their knee, they're gonna drop in some way. Shoot them in the hands and they can't pick up a gun. Shoot them in the legs/knees and they can't really move. Unless they've got a bomb and a suicide wish on them, they're no longer much of a threat in my eyes and you can still save a bit of your conscious along the way.

Yeah, even with proper training, most people aren't trick shots with a gun. That's one of the those Hollywood things that bleeds in public consciousness.

 

[bob_arctor]

I know that some people would rather feign impartiality but come the fuck on.

A friend of Wilson who was told a story by Wilson isn't fucking anything and is not comparable to someone who was actually there.

People buying into this are hinging on the other eyewitness in the video that has been linked multiple times, that supposedly jives with what Wilson's friend was told. They are hanging on by the fingernails to this one guy.

 

[BronsonLee]

Dunno man, I just think it's pretty phucked up all the same. It's obvious I've not handled a gun, but if I ever decide to do so at a target range or such, I'd try aiming for a leg, hand, or shoulder before any vital spot, especially if they aren't moving or are moving very slow and paced. That's just me.

This will sound crass; my apologies in advance.
Real life is not a video game. Or a movie.

Your accuracy decreases by an astronomical amount if you do that. And you're not removing the potentially lethal consequences of your actions. If you draw a gun and are attempting to use it, it's to incapacitate/kill someone. If you want to just stop them/etc, use something else.

 

[Indicate]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

Dorian was a witness.

Wilson's friend was not a witness.

There is a difference.

 

[Devolution]

What does my stupidity in that statement have to do with the fact he may be justified?

Maybe you should consider what you're contributing to the thread.

False equivalency after false equivalency.

 

[B-Dubs]

And that he may have had marijuana in his system.

Don't forget the fact that it unlocked his latent x-gene and turned him into the Unstoppable Juggernaut.

 

[ishibear]

You cannot argue this officer was possibly justified when he shot and killed someone kneeling with their hands up to surrender.