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[ElectricBlanketFire]

Let's say Brown did in fact charge at Wilson (Note: I DO NOT believe that is what happened) and Wilson was "justified" to shoot him for whatever reason...

Is there any regulation as far as the number of shots an officer can fire into a suspect once he's struck/subdued/dead? I find it hard to believe an officer can just empty his gun into some guy just because they're a "threat."

 

[MHWilliams]

This will sound crass; my apologies in advance.
Real life is not a video game. Or a movie.

Your accuracy decreases by an astronomical amount if you do that. And you're not removing the potentially lethal consequences of your actions. If you draw a gun and are attempting to use it, it's to incapacitate/kill someone. If you want to just stop them/etc, use something else.

Bingo. The gun is supposed the endgame. Again, the problem is for some, the gun is clearly the go-to tool.

 

[Aaron]

Right and we still are unsure if he handled it incorrectly.

He did handle it incorrectly. He used lethal force against an unarmed man. Whether he was poorly trained, ill equipped, or panicked in the moment is what's unclear.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

The whole issue with ditching the scene and not being reported or even called for backup/ambulance makes this sketchy as hell, regardless of the outcome.

 

[marrec]

People buying into this are hinging on the other eyewitness in the video that has been linked multiple times, that supposedly jives with what Wilson's friend was told. They are hanging on by the fingernails to this one guy.

Which is hilarious because the dude on the video says, FIRST FUCKING THING:

"Killed for no reason"

 

[B-Dubs]

Let's say Brown did in fact charge at Wilson (Note: I DO NOT believe that is what happened) and Wilson was "justified" to shoot him for whatever reason...

Is there any regulation as far as the number of shots an officer can fire into a suspect once he's struck/subdued/dead? I find it hard to believe an officer can just empty his gun into some guy just because they're a "threat."

Wouldn't be the first time it happened. Remember Sean Bell?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Let's say Brown did in fact charge at Wilson (Note: I DO NOT believe that is what happened) and Wilson was "justified" to shoot him for whatever reason...

Is there any regulation as far as the number of shots an officer can fire into a suspect once he's struck/subdued/dead? I find it hard to believe an officer can just empty his gun into some guy just because they're a "threat."

You fire until there is no longer a threat. It's all perception based.

You cannot argue this officer was possibly justified when he shot and killed someone kneeling with their hands up to surrender.

Again, is isn't a proven fact.

 

[CountBlack]

Did Wilson have a taser on him?

 

[Abounder]

Let's say Brown did in fact charge at Wilson (Note: I DO NOT believe that is what happened) and Wilson was "justified" to shoot him for whatever reason...

Is there any regulation as far as the number of shots an officer can fire into a suspect once he's struck/subdued/dead? I find it hard to believe an officer can just empty his gun into some guy just because they're a "threat."

Pretty sure they're trained to empty the clip. You shoot to kill.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Just saw the governor's curfew declaration. What a fucking asshole, condescending, piece of trash. Fuck him, fuck his idiocy of "citizens better behave or we'll punish you." I hope he gets voted out as soon as possible and reminded every day about how he acted and how he got punished.

Citizens protesting a corrupt government is the foundation of this nation. Fuck him for thinking he's some adult punishing children.

 

[BronsonLee]

Bingo. The gun is supposed the endgame. Again, the problem is for some, the gun is clearly the go-to tool.

Pretty much. It's a very disconcerting thing.

He did handle it incorrectly. He used lethal force against an unarmed man. Whether he was poorly trained, ill equipped, or panicked in the moment is what's unclear.

Why not all three? *throws tiny Mexican child into the air*

 

[commedieu]

The whole issue with the ditching the scene and not being reported or even called for backup/ambulance makes this sketchy as hell, regardless of the outcome.

Nope. People are still defending this shit. Clearly, he was too nervous to do the rest of his job. He had to bail and leave the state? Did you see those pictures of brown? as well as the footage of him rushing the officer?

Exclusive Documentary Footage of Mike Brown Running:

 

[Htown]

hey you guys should click around that site Brolic linked earlier

it's pretty hilarious

 

[Alligatorjandro]

So did he shoot him when he was on the ground?

 

[daedalius]

The whole issue with ditching the scene and not being reported or even called for backup/ambulance makes this sketchy as hell, regardless of the outcome.

If Wilson is innocent, where the hell is he? Sure, he might be scared to be around in Ferguson right now, but he hasn't shown up anywhere else, and he must know that it looks really bad for him to do that.

Also the clip on John Oliver shows pretty well that the Ferguson PD has nothing but contempt for the majority of the citizenry (*blacks) that they are supposed to be protecting.

 

[Oblong Schlong]

You fire until there is no longer a threat. It's all perception based.

Not just executioner, but jury and judge too?

Convenient as fuck, huh?

 

[BFIB]

Did Wilson have a taser on him?

I thought all cops had one?

 

[demosthenes]

Dunno man, I just think it's pretty phucked up all the same. It's obvious I've not handled a gun, but if I ever decide to do so at a target range or such, I'd try aiming for a leg, hand, or shoulder before any vital spot, especially if they aren't moving or are moving very slow and paced. That's just me.

Not a lot of people can brush off a bullet to their knee, they're gonna drop in some way. Shoot them in the hands and they can't pick up a gun. Shoot them in the legs/knees and they can't really move. Unless they've got a bomb and a suicide wish on them, they're no longer much of a threat in my eyes and you can still save a bit of your conscious along the way.

Nobody would ever teach anyone to shoot a gun the way you're describing. Shoot for the hand, are you crazy. The way you're describing is how hands guns work in movies.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

So did he shoot him when he was on the ground?

He would have had to presumably shoot him through the back, so no, probably not.

 

[Real Hero]

41 shots, Lena gets her son ready for school
She says, "On these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you, promise me you'll always be polite
And that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it a wallet (is it a wallet), this is your life (this is your life)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

-Bruce Springsteen - 41 Shots

too true.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Again, is isn't a proven fact.

Since there aren't any proven facts, why are you still talking about this? Why are you speculating at all?

 

[ishibear]

So did he shoot him when he was on the ground?

Yep. While he was kneeling to surrender with his hands up, he unloaded his clip into him, like an execution.

 

[commedieu]

If Wilson is innocent, where the hell is he? Sure, he might be scared to be around in Ferguson right now, but he hasn't shown up anywhere else, and he must know that it looks really bad for him to do that.

It doesn't look bad at all. No major media is covering it. People are more concerned with whether or not brown rushed a police car and attacked an officer to try and still the gun, than finding out where the shooter is.

 

[kehs]

So did he shoot him when he was on the ground?

Appears he shot his as he fell down, not necessarily after he had fallen already.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

One of two things will happen:

Cop doesn't get charged with anything

or

Cop gets charged like Zimmerman and doesn't get convicted

Like that one cop I saw on TV said, cops should have those cameras attached to their heads or whatever and this will remove almost all doubt; money is probably the reason it won't ever be standard.

That cop said witnesses recalled them charging into a home and shooting a person laying in bed.

The person was holding a knife to another person in reality.

From what I have seen, I can't say this is a clear-cut case like many are saying but I don't know all the facts.

 

[Indicate]

Dorian was a witness.

Wilson's friend was not a witness.

There is a difference.

Brolic, what's your answer to this? I'm waiting.

 

[zewone]

County hasn't released anything publicly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

 

[daedalius]

It doesn't look bad at all. No major media is covering it. People are more concerned with whether or not brown rushed a police car and attacked an officer to try and still the gun, than finding out where the shooter is.

If a black person shot a white cop I'm sure there would be a national manhunt on.

 

[TheOMan]

Since there aren't any proven facts, why are you still talking about this? Why are you speculating at all?

To be fair, there is speculation of varying degrees by most people in this thread, it would be hard to have discussion without it.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Brolic, what's your answer to this? I'm waiting.

Scroll up. You replied late.

Edit: well now it's on the previous page.

Not just executioner, but jury and judge too?

Convenient as fuck, huh?

The entire thing hinges on fear of your life and public safety. I'm not gonna act like it can't be sketchy.

 

[commedieu]

If a black person shot a white cop I'm sure there would be a national manhunt on.

There was, and they burned him to death in a cabin.

 

[GamingIsDead]

Are you gonna argue that your bias is what makes your opinion shitty too?

This thread has gone full retard I see. Just responding to what I believe on that particular circumstance.

 

[kehs]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

The report from Case’s office was released to the St. Louis County prosecutor’s office on Friday night but has not been made public.

.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Brolic, what's your answer to this? I'm waiting.

He's still recovering from Spring-Loaded's post.

 

[mre]

This is the Ferguson PD's favorite show to watch while on break!

Well now I'm going to spend my afternoon watching videos of Rube Goldberg machines. Thanks for nothing, jerk.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Brolic, what's your answer to this? I'm waiting.

Brolic will always defend police officers and military personnel. He either was a police officer/is a police officer/or unsuccessfully tried to become a police officer.

 

[BronsonLee]

One of two things will happen:

Cop doesn't get charged with anything

or

Cop gets charged like Zimmerman and doesn't get convicted

1 is highly unlikely considering we haven't gotten any accounts from the officer in question, multiple eyewitness accounts that all corroborate him straight up murdering him, and evidence that doesn't really support the cop's unofficial version.

2 is possible if the prosecutor overdoes it like the one in the Martin case, though I don't think that will be the case here.

Well now I'm going to spend my afternoon watching videos of Rube Goldberg machines. Thanks for nothing, jerk.

I hereby confess to my crime. The charge? Spreading Joy!

...Also Pythagora Switch is my favorite

 

[BattleMonkey]

Pretty sure they're trained to empty the clip. You shoot to kill.

Not even remotely true.

Let's say Brown did in fact charge at Wilson (Note: I DO NOT believe that is what happened) and Wilson was "justified" to shoot him for whatever reason...

Is there any regulation as far as the number of shots an officer can fire into a suspect once he's struck/subdued/dead? I find it hard to believe an officer can just empty his gun into some guy just because they're a "threat."

There are no rules on how many shots you fire, as none of these things can really be written in stone as each situation is going to be different.

There is also no rules about having to shoot to kill or empty your clip. Police are trained to shoot for center mass, but they do not have a shoot to kill policy or anything about dumping a whole clip till someone is surely dead. They also have no rules about shooting head or limbs, you also can't control the aim of a person in a gun fight. The training to shoot center mass is simply common as it's the most effective and they don't want officers attempting trick shots for limbs which have a high chance to miss and cause collateral damage. It's up to officer discretion on when a threat has been neutralized.

 

[Jenov]

msnbc says that a grand jury is going to hear the case on Wednesday

edit link: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/report-grand-jury-hear-evidence-michael-brown-case

 

[FreddieQuell]

Scroll up. You replied late.

Edit: well now it's on the previous page.




The entire thing hinges on fear of your life and public safety. I'm not gonna act like it can't be sketchy.

Oh, so now Wilson was concerned that if he didn't kill this dangerous beast he would ravage the community?

Brolic will always defend police officers and military personnel. He either was a police officer/is a police officer/or unsuccessfully tried to become a police officer.

Last I heard he was a glorified security guard.

 

[ced]

Which is hilarious because the dude on the video says, FIRST FUCKING THING:

"Killed for no reason"

That's the guy filming, not the guy having the conversation with someone else in the background.

 

[BronsonLee]

msnbc says that a grand jury is going to hear the case on Wednesday

WHOA.

 

[abuC]

Did that cop go to prison??

For 11 months.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Brolic will always defend police officers and military personnel. He either was a police officer/is a police officer/or unsuccessfully tried to become a police officer.

Said it before,I work in a federal prison and I was an Army infantry Sergeant. And I won't "always defend them." If wrong was done, wrong was done.

 

[block tower]

You fire until there is no longer a threat. It's all perception based.

we are talking about the same situation right? tge situation involving a police officer with 6 years experience dealing with an unarmed teenager, right? your telling me the only way for police to deal with perceived threats is to shoot them?

 

[Abelian75]

So what d yo think happened or could have happened?

Brown assaulted the officer, ran and then came back (since he was shot from medium distance he had to at least walked/ran away at some point) charged at the cop. the officer shot at him several times hitting him 5 times including one shot that somehow entered his palm ( cause everyone runs at people with their palms exposed) and one shot that entered above his browline, exited his chin and re-entered into his collarbone...so the last shot occurred while Brown was at like a 30 degree angle facing Wilson?

Oh, wow, I didn't really notice the significant of that palm wound. Worse, if his hands were raised by his head (in a surrender/protective pose), that palm would be right by the head, and the pattern of shots all fairly tightly grouped together.

Obviously I am not qualified to analyze gunshot wounds, but... man, it really is looking like he was shot while surrendering, which is just about the saddest thing ever. Jesus, what the fuck happened.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

To be fair, there is speculation of varying degrees by most people in this thread, it would be hard to have discussion without it.

Which is exactly why it's tiring to hear people (Brolic) who repeatedly tell others "quit all this speculation," "we don't know all the facts," Etc. when they themselves are doing the exact same thing (just with a police-apologist slant).

 

[commedieu]

Scroll up. You replied late.




The entire thing hinges on fear of your life and public safety. I'm not gonna act like it can't be sketchy.

Brolic, why do you put faith in the PD when they've displayed a capacity of corruption? They beat an innocent black man, charged him for property damage. They've assaulted journalists, they've arrested journalists, they trained sniper rifles at white women on bull horns protesting during the day.

Again, why is your bias so firmly in the hands of this PD. This PD has shown a history of very unfortunate actions, and continued actions. So why is it that you take the word of their narrative, knowing that they've been not really too honest during this entire situation. Not indentifying themselves to media members, tear gassing reporters, dismantling their cameras, etc.

Why do you value their questionable word over an array of witness testimony, that there is more of, and that paints a more logical picture with the types of abuses the PD has been involved in. Isn't it easy to see that this officer probably lost his cool, and made a mistake. But thats pretty on par with what the PD's been doing. Making mistakes... and then trying to cover their ass.

You're trusting a source that ran away from the scene of the crime. More than witnesses that saw it happened. You're waiting for people to fabricate an ever changing story The chief said he was unaware, then turned back around to say that maybe he was too.. he saw the cigars...? Come on. This is a blatant lie. I don't see what is so wrong with not believing in this specific department and anything that comes out of their mouths/statements. They've all been pretty suspect this entire time.

 

[TheOMan]

Which is exactly why it's tiring to hear people (Brolic) who repeatedly tell others "quit all this speculation," "we don't know all the facts," Etc. when they themselves are doing the exact same thing.

True.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

we are talking about the same situation right? tge situation involving a police officer with 6 years experience dealing with an unarmed teenager, right? your telling me the only way for police to deal with perceived threats is to shoot them?

I'm talking in general about use of lethal force in that conversation. If he was in fear of his life, yes, lethal force is permitted. The onus during the investigation would be for him to show this.

Which is exactly why it's tiring to hear people (Brolic) who repeatedly tell others "quit all this speculation," "we don't know all the facts," Etc. when they themselves are doing the exact same thing (just with a police-apologist slant).

I don't recall saying quit speculation at all. If I did please link it so I can apologize.