Some others have pointed out how their agreement is vague enough that they could easily say they were preventing them from doing their job and get off scottfree.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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National Guard troops deployed on roofs.
Fox host Bret Baier called her an "eyewitness". I doubt he'll correct his mistake.
I don't know I say Murdock is worse though, hes the one wrecking stuff in Australia for example.
Hell's teeth.
She is a pretty famous activist because for the past 60 years she has been vocally against the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.
There's only one thing a guy with a gun on a roof is gonna do.
Byakuya769
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The legacy of millions of dead slaves, no reparations and a very late, flaccid apology might disagree.
Brolic Gaoler
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Tonight is definitely gonna get interesting. If you're out in that area stay safe and don't do anything stupid.
Devolution
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Don't forget the era of unabashed lynching post freed slaves.
Nah, what's scary about a target parking lot?
Target parking lots in the day time look pretty struggle
wut? Slavery + Native American genocide is no minor sin. MILLIONS OF DEAD, PLUS RACISM. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of institutionalized, legal racism. And at least the Holocaust stopped in the 40s. We didn't fix out shit (arguably) until the late sixties. If at all. The two shouldn't be compared directly, but let's not act like American racism is just some recent sticks and stones namecalling.
Also, cuffing a 90 year old ANYTHING and frogmarching her to the paddy wagon is FUCKED UP.
block tower
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pics?
timetokill
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These limited "first amendment zones" are straight out of Arrested Development. Except less sexy. (And not funny at all).
From last night.
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Holy shit
Pics were on CNN, can't find them online yet.
No one is drawing that exact parallel, so much as pointing out that we ought to all pause for a minute and really think about how bad the situation is getting when a woman who survived arrest and imprisonment one of history's most notable and terrible instances of racial violence is arrested during a contemporary instance of racial violence.
It's not about saying "What is happening in Ferguson is as bad as what happened during the Holocaust." It's just about saying "What's happening in Ferguson is bad enough that a symbol of a similar evil we all like to think the world has moved on from is now become a part of it." Every single part of World War II is as embedded into the psyche of Modern America as it gets. It doesn't matter if the guy was cleaning toilets on an aircarrier in the Pacific, when we say a man is a World War II vet, people will instantly think of him as a hero. When we talk about Holocaust survivors, they're heroes of that war in an even greater sense because they survived it without armor and weapons. People don't talk about Japanese Internment because it's one of the great shames hanging over our heads.
There's a real power in that period of American history to influence the people of our time. You gotta be real damn sure of what you're doing nowadays if you're going to arrest a Holocaust survivor under normal circumstances, let alone in the thick of national outcry over racial violence.
So in a sense, you'd be right to say it doesn't matter who she is. But at the same time, it does matter to a lot of Americans because World War II is enshrined in the public mind as a conflict of legendary, mythic proportion.
This is more interesting. I only saw her being calledhilocaust survivor. Still, that hasn't much to do in the context of this. Its bad, but just as bad as everyone elses arrestment.
I worty more about the police going against the media.
So, just let ne confirm a second time, just to be more sure: you are you saying that modern racism in the united states of america is as bad as the holocaust?
Fair enough. This makes sense.
Eh I don't think It'll get any worse than what we've seen so far. I do expect things to get a bit wild but I think the NG will either disperse people more effectively or essentially use the same tactics.
IF the NG start to use live rounds then we have a MUCH bigger issue on our hands.
Yeah, don't do anything stupid, like being in front of a cop while having black skin.
EatinOlives
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I think the point is that the police are so callous they don't give a shit who they're arresting, even if it's a 90-year-old Holocaust survivor, because they really, really, really like arresting people that much.
CesspoolofHatred
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Why does it matter if "modern racism" is as bad as the Holocaust?
Whether it is or not, does that mean it shouldn't be changed?
Does that mean that we should ignore things less awful than the Holocaust because hey, at least we're not at the level of MASS EXECUTION YET? That's kind of a horrid argument to make!
Abstruse Moose
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Any bets on if they have a shiny sniper rifle with them?
CrimsonCommie
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MSNBC coverage is still awesome. Guy was just talking how peaceful protestors were being fired on and how there weren't molotovs thrown when they started firing tear gas last night. Also mentions how the looters are a few people that aren't the peaceful protestors which keep getting tear gassed
block tower
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thanks breh!
Brolic Gaoler
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I'm not Chariot, so I can't answer for him, but the way I understood his question was why her being a Holocaust survivor was a big deal and what it had to do with what was going on in Ferguson. At tense times people often exaggerate things to World War II levels. I'm sure every single American can attest to a time when any given President has been compared to Hitler, so I understood the nature of the question to be "Is this really important, or is this yet another instance of Americans exaggerating things to World War II levels?" And not instead, "How can I best handwave away the very real problem of systemic, institutionalized racism in America?"
I could be wrong, but I wanted to grant him the benefit of the doubt and that was what I took from that question. I'll stop talking for other people now.
Best coverage outta the big 3
What's he talking about?
I was just thinking - how would the police know that she is a holocaust survivor? Is she really that famous that the policemen should know her? She looks just like some women to my eye.
Where did I say any of that?
I just commented on a detail that in my eyes is useless in the context. Whats important is the situation at hand. We should worry about all the people that get arrestes for simply protesting, not focus on a single case because slightly related.
edit: I am also in line with how Corvo interpreted my post.
kitchenmotors
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Oh shit, this live stream is crazy right now. APC and Hostage Rescue Team rolling in the parking lot of this local grocery store.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/feelinsofly
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/feelinsofly
vagabondarts
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This is getting way out of hand.
Evil Monkey DTT
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She's been a fantastic contributor on the daily show, and that comment is fucking perfect!
Byakuya769
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No. I'm saying the history of American racism, specifically towards blacks (but the genocide of Native Americans is the same) is right there with the Holocaust for modern state enacted atrocities. Thus, there is a clear connection between the two.
What I was implying, but now I'll say explicitly, is that you wouldn't have wasted time asking that stupid ass question if this was a protest involving mistreatment of Jewish people, so are you out to downplay the history of violence against blacks in America or what?
Ha I like this.
bobbychalkers
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Is Ja anywhere in the vicinity? I need to make sense of all this!
WHERE IS JA!?
Can you stop with this oppression olympics bullshit? It really isn't helping anything.
Thank you!
We really need a list of all the live streams and have them in the OP.
Nabs
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I wish more people would stream. This is great.
I think this is overstated. If they see looters I suspect they'll mess them up hard, but I doubt they go after protestors- they're also not trained to view the US citizen as the enemy the way some police are.
Also the pool of population they're drawn from is closer to the general population- and there's less of a culture of racism in the military than in society at large.
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