Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

Status
Not open for further replies.
mre said:
Hence it being consistent with him having his back turned... Did I say that the guy stated conclusively that his back was turned? All I was doing was refuting the statement that the autopsy ruled out Brown being shot from behind.
Click to expand...
It rules out him being gunned down and murdered with his back turned, it doesn't rule out a graze from behind but it doesn't prove one either
 
Bluekaveli said:
I like how all of a sudden the are over 12 police witnesses.
Click to expand...

It's an open investigation, I don't find this surprising at all. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is video of the event that proves either side of the story.

These things take time, especially coming from a PD that has shown incompetence in other areas with this.
 
dave is ok said:
It rules out him being gunned down and murdered with his back turned, it doesn't rule out a graze from behind but it doesn't prove one either
Click to expand...

No one ever said he was gunned down from behind. Every story has him turning around after a shot. His friend said "he turned around after he felt the gun shot" another person said he "jerked" after the officer shot.
 
ICKE said:
They are playing this correctly, the opposing side is riling up the crowd while people representing and supporting the officer and police are mostly keeping media silence. I personally find it less likely that an officer with a clean record would just shoot someone without a reason than the possibility that there was a struggle - the robbery footage does play a strong part in my mind I can't deny it. At first the victim was framed as a gentle giant and that sentiment was kind of flushed down the toilet when I saw him act like the way he did.
Click to expand...

Stuff like this is exactly why they released the footage, despite being specifically told not to.
 
ICKE said:
They are playing this correctly, the opposing side is riling up the crowd while people representing and supporting the officer and police are mostly keeping media silence. I personally find it less likely that an officer with a clean record would just shoot someone without a reason than the possibility that there was a struggle - the robbery footage does play a strong part in my mind I can't deny it. At first the victim was framed as a gentle giant and that sentiment was kind of flushed down the toilet when I saw him act like the way he did.
Click to expand...

It's been said there is no way of knowing how clean his record is.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/17/1322435/-So-Darren-Wilson-has-a-clean-record#

That information it seems wasn't kept in personnel files. This police department has a bad history as well. In addition you have to be officially held accountable for bad actions for there to be a paper trail as well.
 
Bluekaveli said:
What's dvdvr?
Click to expand...

A wrestling message board. It's glorious. And awesome. Gonzalez is just a hater!

Gonzalez said:
An awful place that doesn't know who Pitbull is. Now never speak of it again.
Click to expand...

Pitbull-Dale.gif
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I am not against the protest, I am just worried that it will not end well for both sides with these nightly events
Click to expand...
Both sides: On one side theres' the police, on the other, the people they're supposed to serve and protect, the ones paying their salary, and the ones they're now treating as the enemy.

Let that sink in.

Smiles and Cries said:
I saw a video on CNN where a police capt. said he and his officers would like to walk away from this each night but his point for staying is he said that the people would go into a nearby mall in loot the place. Now this is a black police capt. saying this.

We have photos of looters online, I'm black I have been harassed by police before during my teens the first few months of driving my own car I was stopped and guns were drawn on me because they stopped the wrong car they told me. So I understand the history.

The truth is the police need to walk away, protecting the mall is not worth it, when the anger is gone the people of that community will know they damaged their own part of town. The people who are willing to loot that mall are not the same people who are seeking Justice for this young man. The looting gives the Police the high grown to stand on and those looking from the outside will see our people as deserving of these types of injustices. We won't win this battle.
Click to expand...
I have no problem in seeing the police patrolling the streets. Now, being in full camo and aiming fully automatic rifles at the population? Ridiculous. Enforcing an inexistent curfew via tear gassing a whole neighborhood? Absurd.

Here in Colombia it's pretty common for masked protesters to carry around "papa bombas", improvised thrown explosives to attack the ESMAD, the national anti riot police (things are really fucked up down here, don't ask, I don't want to derail). The ESMAD then uses tear gas in order to disperse the crowds and then deals with them individually. We are known to have some of the most brutal antiriot police in the planet, and not even here will you see police gassing a whole neighborhood because there's fear of looting.

If anything, what the police are doing right now is instilling fear into the hearts of the populace so they don't... ask for justice anymore?
 
ICKE said:
They are playing this correctly, the opposing side is riling up the crowd while people representing and supporting the officer and police are mostly keeping media silence. I personally find it less likely that an officer with a clean record would just shoot someone without a reason than the possibility that there was a struggle - the robbery footage does play a strong part in my mind I can't deny it. At first the victim was framed as a gentle giant and that sentiment was kind of flushed down the toilet.

I'm looking at this from a middle class perspective of course so i don't understand all these grievances, to me officers are just normal people so the balance shifts when I see one side having any negatives before the incident.
Click to expand...

So he's suddenly not so innocent b/c he's...human and makes mistakes every here and there? It's hilarious the mentality people seem to have of victims in these scenarios, especially minorities and especially black people, where they have to be a saint to have any of your sympathy.

REAL PEOPLE ARE NOT SAINTS. Every victim in history has done something bad at some point in their life, regardless of their skin color. But it fascinating to see that when the victim is a minority, these "bad things" come to the forefront a lot quicker and suddenly become much more damning to their character.

By your logic, I shouldn't care or grieve for any victim of any tragedy every again. But that would be silly.
 
turtle553 said:
There seems to be an attitude here that some event (robbery, attacking a cop, whatever) shouldn't be a death sentence. and the person didn't deserve to die. This is true, but it doesn't change the fact that people can engage in risky behaviors that increase the likelihood of death or injury that they don't deserve.

Excessive speeding, base jumping, and attacking a cop are all things that have the potential to lead to death.

The facts aren't entirely clear in this case yet, but consequences aren't some black and white with no punishment and instant death the only options.
Click to expand...

Alright then. We know the kid was shot dead by cop. You say attacking a cop would warrant it but stealing some cigars wouldn't.

Since the "cause" of his death is allegedly attacking a cop, do you think there should be substantial evidence proving he did as such, since he is no longer able to defend himself in court?

Because in many cases like this with cops, they are presumed to be beyond reproach even if there is some evidence to suggest otherwise.

Which brings us to everyone's issue with this case.
 
ced said:
It's an open investigation, I don't find this surprising at all. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is video of the event that proves either side of the story.

These things take time, especially coming from a PD that has shown incompetence in other areas with this.
Click to expand...

Honestly I wouldn't blame other witnesses not coming forth to the media with all the violence and internet vigilantism going on. Probably also why the shop owner and clerk want nothing to do with all of this after what happened to the QT on the very first day.
 
Mael said:
Why does a county police need a tactical team?
Do they have a tank division too? artillery?
Click to expand...

Hi you may have heard of a town called St. Louis. It is regularly featured in "Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in America" lists.

People keep saying "town" like this is an isolated place in rural america. It's directly north of the city. There are nearly 3 million people here.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
So he's suddenly not so innocent b/c he's...human and makes mistakes every here and there? It's hilarious the mentality people seem to have of victims in these scenarios, especially minorities and especially black people, where they have to be a saint to have any of your sympathy.

REAL PEOPLE ARE NOT SAINTS. Every victim in history has done something bad at some point in their life, regardless of their skin color. But it fascinating to see that when the victim is a minority, these "bad things" come to the forefront a lot quicker and suddenly become much more damning to their character.

By your logic, I shouldn't care or grieve for any victim of any tragedy every again. But that would be silly.
Click to expand...
Most "real people" don't rob stores. Lets not pretend that it's a simple mistake that can happen to anyone.

I'm not saying it is grounds for being killed, but it does affect the case.
 
rooflapimp said:
Most "real people" don't rob stores. Lets not pretend that it's a simple mistake that can happen to anyone.

I'm not saying it is grounds for being killed, but it does affect the case.
Click to expand...

You act like he went into the shop with nylon on his head and AK47s in his hands!
 
Zoe said:
Honestly I wouldn't blame other witnesses not coming forth to the media with all the violence and internet vigilantism going on. Probably also why the shop owner and clerk want nothing to do with all of this after what happened to the QT on the very first day.
Click to expand...

If it does turn out to be 12+ people that saw what happened in the event and can confirm, I'l only be upset with myself for getting carried away before knowing all the facts. But if the witnesses turn out to be other cops, or the people who performed the autopsy that can "corroborate" in that they can confirm that Wilson's story is possible and not in the sense that they saw what happened for themselves. Then not so much. She did say witnesses and not eyewitnesses.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Hi you may have heard of a town called St. Louis. It is regularly featured in "Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in America" lists.

People keep saying "town" like this is an isolated place in rural america. It's directly north of the city. There are nearly 3 million people here.
Click to expand...

Not just that either. I'm sure that gear isn't just used for riots. I bet they do more raids on meth labs using that stuff. And it's not like they can go to forever 21 and pick out a better outfit. They get what they get. That camp probably works better out in the wooded areas for drug raids.
 
Digging deeper in the Twitter Timeline of the lady who claims a police source told her there are more than a dozen witnesses to the polices version of the events I find this gem:

" Retweeted by Christine Byers
David Sheets @DKSheets · Aug 11
'Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.' -- The Rev. Dr. King #STL"

She's straight up Fox Newsing it before Fox News did.

Lets disregard her for now.
 
marrec said:
Why are they wearing camo in a St. Louis suburb?

Like... what are they hiding from?
Click to expand...

They are issued typically only one set of bdus, they don't have camo or colors for every situation. Whatever the department bought is what they get to wear.

It's funny all the focus on the look of the tactical teams when SWAT and tactical teams have been using military hardware for decades now.
 
rooflapimp said:
Most "real people" don't rob stores. Lets not pretend that it's a simple mistake that can happen to anyone.

I'm not saying it is grounds for being killed, but it does affect the case.
Click to expand...

Eh, I know plenty of real people that have snatched stuff from bodegas. My wife was a big candy thief in her early teen years. I've walked out with Dutches before. I see the word "rob" and always think of sticking the joint up, not this young and dumb shit.

But yes, I can see the defense using "frame of mind" in re: to Mike Brown as a go-to.
 
Punchy4486 said:
Alright then. We know the kid was shot dead by cop. You say attacking a cop would warrant it but stealing some cigars wouldn't.

Since the "cause" of his death is allegedly attacking a cop, do you think there should be substantial evidence proving he did as such, since he is no longer able to defend himself in court?

Because in many cases like this with cops, they are presumed to be beyond reproach even if there is some evidence to suggest otherwise.

Which brings us to everyone's issue with this case.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying that any particular activity warrants an instant death, just that some of them increase the chance you will be killed. Getting into an altercation with police is one of those activities. You probably won't get killed or deserve to, but there is a chance.

And to be clear, I am only talking about during an immediate physical event. Once separated things reset until a further action occurs.
 
BattleMonkey said:
They are tactical unit, they don't wear normal uniforms......
Click to expand...

I don't know if you know this but... why not?

Philosophically I mean. What's the 'tactical' advantage of wearing that type of camo in an urban environment where you're not rounding up guerrilla fighters shooting rockets at you from inside buildings?

What is the 'tactical' task force tasked to force?
 
I'm not sure I understand the scenario where Michael Brown charged the cop. Did he supposedly get into a fight at the car, run away and then run back at him?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

UK police arrest woman after immigrant walks into her home
14 15 16 17 18
871
3K
gradient replied
Will Smith accused of using AI to fake crowds in concert video
2 3
115
896
Toots replied
British Police Arrest Cosplayer
2
85
549
calico replied
  • Poll
Do you have an electric or gas stove?
2
50
1K
Barrier Island Dweller replied
Avatar: Fire and Ash | Official Trailer
2
56
949
EverydayBeast replied
Top Bottom