Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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mre said:
Let's strive for accuracy, guys:

(1) He was 18.

(2) Based upon his physical confrontation with the clerk as he attempted to exit the store, it was, almost without question, robbery under Missouri law.

(3) Under Missouri's statutes, there is no separate statute for "strong arm robbery." That's a colloquial term, maybe even a term used by the police, but it is indistinguishable from "robbery." Strong arm robbery is an inflammatory term and, I would suggest, is best to be avoided. Missouri has robbery 2 (the forcible stealing of property) and robbery 1 (robbery 2 + the use or threatened use of a dangerous weapon or the causation of serious harm to the victim). This was robbery 2, unless you have evidence of the additional elements of robbery 1?

(4) "Roughing up the old man" (i.e., assault/battery) is what elevated this from theft to robbery. So it's inaccurate to say that it was robbery + assault.
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While we're striving for accuracy lets remember that:

(1) Michael Brown was never convicted of strong-arm robbery.

(2) He was gunned down in the middle of the street before that could happen.
 
It's been a week and I hate to say this but, a week is sufficient time for the cops to practice amongst themselves a version of events so they can "corroborate the story." It's also long enough for someone to punch Wilson in the face so it looks healed if they were that dedicated.

But that's not the point. The point is there were no officers there when Mike Brown got shot so a dozen of them can't corroborate shit.
 
CorvoSol said:
It's been a week and I hate to say this but, a week is sufficient time for the cops to practice amongst themselves a version of events so they can "corroborate the story." It's also long enough for someone to punch Wilson in the face so it looks healed if they were that dedicated.

But that's not the point. The point is there were no officers there when Mike Brown got shot so a dozen of them can't corroborate shit.
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What is this about a dozen officers?
 
Here is an example of how police shows restraint towards the public. The police here did a good job of preventing the situation from getting worse. They communicated with the people in a respectful manner and acted appropriately while objects were being thrown, looting, vandalism, and fighting among the crowd occurred. Notice at 4:44, the police were not pointing their guns recklessly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFIfqR4WlvQ

I'm sure most here would agree with me that in this situation the police were severely out manned and that they definitely needed a larger police presence.

The police in Missouri could learn a lot from this. Please share this video around the internet.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Not that the distinction is terribly important to the overall situation, but under Missouri law it was in fact a robbery. This was discussed many pages ago.

He's also 18.
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I stand corrected. Still tho, moral of the story is: you shouldn't be shot dead over a $3 theft, period. It's...$3.

AwakenedCloud said:
Let's be real here, there's been a lot of blanket statements about law enforcement in this thread.
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There have been, and a lot of them have been uncalled for, yes.
 
I kind of feel like the robbery is just the icing on the cake.

This story would have been identical, even if there wasn't any footage. The narrative is that Mike threatened the officers life -- based on him shooting him down and running away from the scene after doing so.

And people have already bought off on it.
 
More_Badass said:
So in layman terms, that was bullshit?
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Not really. It most likely means that her paper probably requires multiple sources to confirm something before publication (usually 2), and she made her tweet on the basis of what she heard from 1 source without corroboration. So, she may have had a source that said this thing about a dozen witnesses or whatever her original tweet was, but nobody else has corroborated that.

Also, she probably had an unpleasant phone call with her editor.
 
KHarvey16 said:
The officer did not stop him in response to the theft. There has been no assertion made that someone should be executed for committing robbery.
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I didn't say that because anyone here in particular made the assertion (and apologies if it seemed like I in any way insinuated you did); I said it b/c there are people out there (and some even in the tread; most of them have been banned now tho) who are suddenly a little more cool with the fact he's dead b/c he robbed a place of $3 worth of merchandise.

Mind you, these are the sorts that were already fishing for reasons to not be sympathetic to the victim in the first place.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
What does that mean? That she can't publish it while on FMLA or something else?
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It sounds like she's not currently working for the paper, and also that the information posted earlier (whether that refers to the witnesses the police has or something else is unknown) wasn't backed enough to be worth publishing. Why would that be? I don't know. My best guess is that it's a source that doesn't want to go on record that probably isn't high up enough on the totem pole to take them at their word.
 
Zoe said:
You don't get put on FMLA without a medical reason.
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Punchy4486 said:
She's saying her statements don't reflect her place of employment. She wasn't speaking as a reporter so her statements can't and shouldn't be held up as "news".
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this is a huge grey area, since she has the verified checkmark and is a member of the media, her tweets can be construed as journalistic reports. She should have either said it every time, or she should have a personal twitter.

Especially tweeting out bullshit like "reports from police are that 12 witnesses for Wilson's side" this can be construed as her reporting things as a member of the media. When you're on FMLA you cannot work, your employer can even get in trouble for you answering an email.

marrec said:
No further information yet but...

"We've had an officer involved shooting in St. Louis City. Here at the scene to keep the crowd calm & find out exactly what happened. #peace"

https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/status/501792272871350274
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jesus christ. I hope the victim isnt dead.
 
captive said:
jesus christ. I hope the victim isnt dead.
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Twitter chatter saying the dude is dead and maybe had a knife. Crowd forming around the scene.

For those wondering, I'm linking it here because any police associated violence in St. Louis County is going to get a much stronger reaction than it normally would right now.
 
captive said:
this is a huge grey area, since she has the verified checkmark and is a member of the media, her tweets can be construed as journalistic reports. She should have either said it every time, or she should have a personal twitter.

Especially tweeting out bullshit like "reports from police are 12 witnesses" this can be construed as her reporting things as a member of the media. When you're on FMLA you cannot work, your employer can even get in trouble for you answering an email.

jesus christ. I hope the victim isnt dead.
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Oh I agree. At BEST, it was just professionally irresponsible.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
What does that mean? That she can't publish it while on FMLA or something else?
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mre said:
Not really. It most likely means that her paper probably requires multiple sources to confirm something before publication (usually 2), and she made her tweet on the basis of what she heard from 1 source without corroboration. So, she may have had a source that said this thing about a dozen witnesses or whatever her original tweet was, but nobody else has corroborated that.

Also, she probably had an unpleasant phone call with her editor.
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jhmtehgamr20xx said:
I didn't say that because anyone here in particular made the assertion (and apologies if it seemed like I in any way insinuated you did); I said it b/c there are people out there (and some even in the tread; most of them have been banned now tho) who are suddenly a little more cool with the fact he's dead b/c he robbed a place of $3 worth of merchandise.

Mind you, these are the sorts that were already fishing for reasons to not be sympathetic to the victim in the first place.
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Honestly, the robbery is so damn incidental to the shooting that it isn't worth discussing. However, you have people on both sides of the argument that keep bringing it up. On the one hand you have people who insist upon arguing that he never committed a crime, while on the other hand you have people who want to crucify him and use the fact that he allegedly committed a robbery minutes before his death as some sort of wink and nudge justification for his death. Let's just accept that it appears as if Michael Brown robbed a store for some cigarillos and agree that it was entirely irrelevant to the fact that he was shot by Officer Wilson.
 
Handful of protesters/picketers in Jeff City. Saw a small group on the steps of the Capitol building and another group at an intersection along a major road in town.
 
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