scoobidoo112
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Never mind
What's goiung on with gaming journalism`(/r/gaming)
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Keyser Soze
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It is an interesting topic, regardless of who is involved, but anarchists types on social media are making it impossible to discuss what could be the real problem at the core of all this.
The timeline of events is at best ambiguous and debatable, so I just made my sentence ambiguous.
For the uninformed though I would note that these are all based on allegations made by the developer's ex. None of the parties involved have confirmed or denied anything. Even the Kotaku statement seems worded to avoid confirming anything other than that a social relationship between these two people began after the article was published. They take special care to avoid acknowledging the extent of that relationship (probably for the better).
He still wrote favorable pieces about Depression Quest on other sites (RPS), at least to my understanding. Regardless, and assuming this is true, Nathan still lied to his own boss about this. I completely understand that you don't want to get into this here, but I think a lot of people would appreciate it if you sent word of this inconsistency to Totilo, or another higher-up at Gawker.
Artofwar420
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Yeah, someone's alleged infidelity is NOT what should of our concern. The possible breach in trust of the believed integrity and unbiased (as unbiased as a human being can be) reporting of some of these writers is what should be up for debate.
FloweryMarston
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Honestly, people are blowing this out of proportion on both sides, because both sides are being irrational about their beliefs. No one is listening to anyone and are just throwing shit like "journalism is corrupted! Zoe quinn is a whore!" while the other side is saying "Gamers should die! i hope that gaming ends because its consumers are scum!".
I don't know, no one is being honest in this discussion, and everyone is throwing shit at the fan because of their own reasons.
I don't know, no one is being honest in this discussion, and everyone is throwing shit at the fan because of their own reasons.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Her game didn't appeal to me and I didn't buy it.
Kotaku is awful and I never read it.
I am slime free! Win win.
Pops Maellard
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Again, as I mentioned already, given the nature of the topic of course it's going to devolve into a shitshow. That said, there is not post in r/gaming with over 11,000 upvotes and the majority of the comments deleted because of this alone.
ActuallyHulk
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Yeah I edited it out. I just wanted to show that it wasn't something someone random had typed up to attach to the pic, but yeah. It's out now.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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And outside one of the people concerned come out and flat out say that, yes, they gave good reviews due to romantic entanglement, we'll never know one way or the other.
i watched it. seems like a whole bunch of nothing. i couldn't help but chuckle at it.
Chû Totoro
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Thanks for the clarification. I personally think that we shouldn't discuss this since even if there was conflict of interest it can't be as important as letting this girl's couple alone so they can pass this hurtful moment without our discussion over it.
We'll have the time and we've got plenty of other examples to discuss gaming journalism and all the problems this profession has.
Some Nobody
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I'd rather waste money than time, the ultimate unrenewable resource.
But yeah, the problem here is definitely that this does NOT need to be about who did whom. If it has to be discussed, it should be on a broader scale. I'm not interested in someone's personal life, whether it's skeevy or not or whether someone delved into so many details their post was really better as a private diary entry. That's not my concern. I AM annoyed if it has resulted in inappropriate conduct that applies to gaming and people who write about it.
Either way, it's a touchy subject and I feel like Totalbiscuit's post hit the nail on the fucking head as to why.
So yeah, close all the threads because there's no way you get through a discussion w/o someone sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.
VeryGooster
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Guessing this is why Phil Fish went on that tirade about 'gamers' on Sunday?
anexanhume
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"Breaking down", yes. It demonizes every outlet that has dared to run a human interest piece or explore the concepts of racism, sexism, misogyny in the industry or in the content. To the author of the video, that was the downfall of games journalism.
Nope, that was apathy over Ferguson and related sentiments.
Nathan Grayson highlighting Depression Quest out of 50 Steam Greenlighted games on January 18th 2014, calling it a "stand out game" and "a powerful twine darling"
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-valve-greenlights-50-more-games/
licktheenvelope
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Aside from talking about someone's 'private life' what I do not like about what is happening is that there's an incredible amount of censorship going on around this subject on various game sites and forums and it does relate to ethics in gaming journalism... so i'm not sure why so much censorship.
(Edit: I'm also not a big fan of a game dev actively having forums attacked by media outlets because they feel 'threatened' by a random forum... didn't know that happened.)
(Edit: I'm also not a big fan of a game dev actively having forums attacked by media outlets because they feel 'threatened' by a random forum... didn't know that happened.)
The Broken Ska Record
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I was wondering about that. I couldn't fins anything immediately in their tweets.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Chû Totoro;126167219 said:
I agree largely because I don't think anyone could divorce the fervor over her the person and her politics and her mistake vis a vis the actual issue of nepotism.
Perhaps.
All I know is that no one that the subject of this story is about is coming out clean.
And I'm just gonna step away from this whole thing.
scoobidoo112
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Banned?
Riposte
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My friend convinced me to get on /v/ for the first time in years because of this drama (particularly noteworthy because there are janitors/mods deleting threads about it). It's actually pretty entertaining, real internet madness I haven't seen in awhile. It's a banned topic on GAF it seems (from searching here), so this thread will probably be closed soon. What I don't get is why no one is focusing on the whole "Zoe Quinn sexually harassed me at a wedding" tweet thing, which was followed by Phil Fish bullying the guy and him backing down and apologizing.
So Nathan wrote about the clusterfuck of the TV gamejam.
While probably in a relationship with one of the contestants. (Cheating or not doesn't matter and is private information)
There's no commercial interest or conflict here other than the story/clicks.
=> so fucking what?
This is a non-issue dressed up as a scandal resulting in abuse and harassment of Zoe. Not acceptable.
While probably in a relationship with one of the contestants. (Cheating or not doesn't matter and is private information)
There's no commercial interest or conflict here other than the story/clicks.
=> so fucking what?
This is a non-issue dressed up as a scandal resulting in abuse and harassment of Zoe. Not acceptable.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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If its the one I've seen, its pretty scummy.
OverBlood 3
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Yeah I agree.
This is a great summation (unfortunately).
The video's hyperbolic, but I don't think the guy's core points are wrong.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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There's nothing to be said that reasonable people don't already know.
i don't know, man. it's a touchy subject!
licktheenvelope
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Not at all... but he is right that the industry silence is deffening right now. There's a couple of sites (that i'd never heard of) that have covered the story today... but nothing from anywhere major and they are banning and locking up anything where people try to discuss it (except the Escapist who left one thread open after locking it a few times).
I'm someone that is always interested in journalistic ethics, but a lot of the stuff in that other closed thread seemed like stupid gossip that I frankly am not really interested in.
The only link to journalistic ethics is tenuous at best. Then there was that stupid video that started naming a lot of people's names and accusing them of cheating on their wives with nothing to substantiate it. That's pretty fucking slanderous and crude.
The role that press plays and their relationship with indie/big developers is worth discussing, but attaching it to this controversy seems unfair to the people involved. I have yet to see anything that is worthy of real scorn.
That video was pretty disgusting in some of the things the guy was saying. I guess that's his schtick, but if he wanted to make a serious video, the tone was a little off. The content was lacking, and the message was vile.
The only link to journalistic ethics is tenuous at best. Then there was that stupid video that started naming a lot of people's names and accusing them of cheating on their wives with nothing to substantiate it. That's pretty fucking slanderous and crude.
The role that press plays and their relationship with indie/big developers is worth discussing, but attaching it to this controversy seems unfair to the people involved. I have yet to see anything that is worthy of real scorn.
That video was pretty disgusting in some of the things the guy was saying. I guess that's his schtick, but if he wanted to make a serious video, the tone was a little off. The content was lacking, and the message was vile.
Keyser Soze
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That is a biased and highly one sided video, and unjustly implicates people in this mess with no connection whatsoever to the original story. It says it is factual, but is ends up been manipulative to users looking for a quick summary
Zombie James
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Why's this getting censored? Just caught wind of this story myself.
Yeah I sat through the entire video. Incredibly immature and biased. I still think the issue deserves attention.
I'm very confused by all the censorship across multiple social media websites though...
Reading the OP, I agree.
Photolysis
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I think this is a cowardly excuse to not even attempt a discussion, particularly if it's not going to be brought up by outlets.
If the allegation is true, it's a very large breach of journalistic ethics, and that is worthy of criticism and commentary. If topics were censored just because they might turn into a shitstorm (and what the hell is the point of moderators if not to intervene to prevent that?), then this board would be far smaller than it is.
I don't think we could have one. It's a really good discussion to have about boundaries for games "journalists" for sure. It's definitely something that has happened in more legitimate journalism(such as War Correspondents sleeping with Generals). The problem is that it's tough to separate the discussion from this specific case which involves a person who is a firebrand for all sides. It's almost impossible to discuss Zoe Quinn without people getting overly offensive and defensive.
well, there's nothing else out there atm. So take his video with a grain of salt? I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just sitting here, eating my popcorn.
Some boards on 4chan were deleting threads since they broke the global rule of "no doxxing." /v/ wasn't really doxxing, can't say the same for other boards, so they recently stopped deleting threads there.
SirCrush
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Long story short - they all communicate with each other and have developed something akin to a hive mind. Before embargoes lift, they can only talk to each other about what each game is, what they liked, what they didn't, and their perspectives on games are heavily influenced by one another's musings.
But that is only really a problem with regards to reviews. There are some great writers out there who write some great pieces and put up some great media content as well. I just avoid reviews, for the most part, as I've rarely agreed with one in the past several years.
EDIT: But if this was about the subject that everyone in this thread seems to be talking about I shall exit stage left.
But that is only really a problem with regards to reviews. There are some great writers out there who write some great pieces and put up some great media content as well. I just avoid reviews, for the most part, as I've rarely agreed with one in the past several years.
EDIT: But if this was about the subject that everyone in this thread seems to be talking about I shall exit stage left.
What bothers you about it so much?
crazyrabbits
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Judging purely on the basis of that Wordpress post, the woman sounds like she has no concept of self-control, and the guy sounds like he's taken it way too seriously and continually pushed it after he broke the relationship off.
I have no sympathy for either of them.
I have no sympathy for either of them.
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