He spelled "Gandhi" wrong. Good article though.
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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He spelled "Gandhi" wrong. Good article though.
I have nothing else to contribute to this conversation other than pointing that out.
I've had a orbital blowout fracture. Shit hurt, I got punched right in the eye once, and that's all it took. Had to get a plastic plate inside my socket to fix the hole, and then a metal plate on the front of my eye socket to fix the crack on my skull.
If he really did get that, he would be done for awhile. I was fucking blind in that eye for like a week, and blood poured out when it happened, plus my eye was red for weeks after.
If he really did get that, he would be done for awhile. I was fucking blind in that eye for like a week, and blood poured out when it happened, plus my eye was red for weeks after.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
The idea that there are always 2 sides to a story is poisonous. A news organization should be concerned with reporting the truth.
The entire point of Jon Stewart's infamous decade-old rant on Crossfire was that organizations like CNN would prefer to just let partisan figures "debate" every issue under the sun without ever actually refereeing anything, so to speak, because that would be "taking sides" and "biased"... even when one side is lying, and even when informed parties know they're lying.
Punchy4486
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Climate change supporters vs deniers as equally valid opinions.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Until one side is clearly wrong, both sides of the story are very important and should be reported on, especially as it pertains to this current event.
People who actively only seek one side of the story are only trying to confirm their bias.
This isn't a climate change thread.
Punchy4486
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Who determines what is clearly wrong? Nearly every weather-related scientist on the planet think we have significant impact on climate change, but CNN thinks the deniers' opinion is equally valid.
MorisUkunRasik
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I think that makes sense for the investigation into the Brown shooting, but the police are clearly in the wrong and have been countless times since these protest started.
I think the media should keep an eye on both sides of the story but no, as of now the protesters have been on the receiving end of the shit a large majority of the time.
Do you want to hear both sides of the climate change "debate"?
Really none of the major news networks are without some biased reporting. MSNBC is alright but I personally tend to stick with NPR.
More_Badass
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How about hearing all sides and then deciding for yourself based on the facts and your knowledge about the different parties involved?
block tower
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true, but all too often people like to not find a clear right and wrong in favor of just saying "well both sides are wrong". and im growing increasingly tired of that respobse when it comes to a whole host of issues. while i agree that we need to be patient with this current case in Ferguson, i sonehow get the feeling it'll inevitably lead to "well both sides are wrong". and im not sure if im ready for that bullshit just yet lol.
Because not all sides are equivalent.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The truth of what happened there is important. It has to come out no matter which side is upset by it, the truth should come out.
However, it's not just about this single incident. There are bigger issues here that are not debatable like racism and the role of authority which led to where we are now.
However, it's not just about this single incident. There are bigger issues here that are not debatable like racism and the role of authority which led to where we are now.
Punchy4486
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People won't base their opinions on the facts then. They will just rationalize their gut opinion with whoever on tv agrees with them.
People will not change their mind if you give them a choice.
because not everyone has the time, background, or inclination to become an expert on every subject that the news covers. if i don't have any idea how climate science works how am i supposed to know that the anthropogenic climate change deniers that get time on the cable news networks are nutcases?
CNN doesn't report facts accurately because of false balance. Even in this case they talked about the girl who was told by a friend of a friend of Wilson of his story as a witness when she clearly isn't a witness.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Last I checked this isn't a climate change thread, or a bestiality thread.
I agree "both sides are wrong" is a cop out. Everyone here can have what they believe, hell, we all do, but shutting off a whole side of the story when nothing has been proven yet and information isn't exactly forth coming is simply ignorant. It's also seeking out a confirmation bias.
It's just an example of false balance that CNN strive for and are striving for in this case as well.
Huffington Post, surprisingly, have done an amazing job at simply presenting the facts in there News articles, unlike CNN.
This depends. CNN does its both-sides reporting just because it wants to enable people of various ideologies to confirm their biases. CNN is terrified of people thinking that it's biased against them.
That CNN reports on what various people's claims are isn't in-itself what makes it garbage as a news network. The problem is that CNN makes no effort to give people what they need to figure out which claims are reliable. CNN viewers have no way to decide how likely various claims are to be true after hearing CNN report both sides except to consult their own biases.
Journalists need to be actually trying to figure out who's right. Or they need to be making a judgment that, as-is, we can't tell who's right. CNN is terrified of drawing conclusions - they refuse to say if the news means anything, and this has the effect of allowing people to pretend that it means whatever they like.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
MorisUkunRasik
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The police have broken up peaceful protests, violated people's first amendment rights, violated their freedom of press, indiscriminately fired rubber bullets and tear gas at protesters and ran to the media with trumped up reports of isolated incidences.
I'm sorry that it's hard for you to accept, but the police are dead wrong, have been dead wrong and will likely continue to be dead wrong.
Evil_Silver
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There is a difference between opinions diverging from the same level of understanding and opinions diverging due to ignorance and prejudice. Two people can have the same level of understanding of a situation or problem or topic but have different perspectives. That is fine, it happens. However, two people can have divergent opinions because one person is less informed than the other, and may be muddled by prejudice.
Punchy4486
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4 eyewitness accounts are being held as equally valid as one second hand recounting.
There. Relevant example.
Both are important aspects of the story, but they are not equal.
Also, a CNN anchor asking a legal expert on the bearing of the security footage on the shooting. Expert says it has nothing at all to do with the shooting. Anchor turns around to the opposing viewpoint and says "he says this has LITTLE bearing on the case. What say you?"
Allowing shit like that is how people like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman succeed in politics, because if someone on tv argues against hard cold facts, no matter WHAT their argument, "the debate is still open". Dinosaurs may have lived with humans. Nobody knows for sure. Earth may be 4,000 years old. Who knows?
After seeing so much bullshit on both sides so far I'll wait until the DOJ, grand jury, FBI, and state investigations are done. Then I can come to a an opinion at that point. If that bugs people boo hoo hoo.
I can't stand CNN anymore, and it used to be the only news channel I watched. It's really sad that not only do you not get unbiased views from any cable news sources, but also that it comes with this trend that random unverified tweets and people on the street should be taken as fact. I really hope this social network news bubble bursts soon so we can finally get some quality reporting and fact checking again. People keep mentioning streams that have good coverage, anyone have a link to some of them?
On topic, Holder's statement sounds good, I can only hope that it is followed up on. It's hard to swallow that this kind of shit is still happening. Frankly I'm starting to think we should put cameras up everywhere like they do in England so we can keep an eye out on criminals and the police. I guess you'd need an independent agency in charge of the cameras though.
Partly because of reporting done by CNN people are now spouting off about Brown bum rushing the cop as if it's fact.
That's because when CNN reports that account they give it equal credence to the multiple eyewitnesses when there have been no eyewitness accounts to corroborate it.
That's because when CNN reports that account they give it equal credence to the multiple eyewitnesses when there have been no eyewitness accounts to corroborate it.
what bullshit have you seen from the side of people who want the cop put on trial?
Evil_Silver
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I have hated mainstream media for a very long time. CNN is full of shit and has been full of shit for a long time. They, along with MSNBC and Fox News are pro-establishment. They all have an agenda protocol.
MorisUkunRasik
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Are there any live streams tonight? Have most of the protesters gone home per Captain Johnson's suggestion?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Well said.
Icanplaythat
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I just checked, no one has gone live yet. It usually has become active at sundown.
PHOENIXZERO
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CNN has wanted to be Fox Jr. For a long time now (pretty much since Ted Turner lost control/influence) because that's where the ratings are, they've just stopped trying to be subtle about it over the last several years.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
People are going to actively try to confirm their own biases anyway. I personally still both sides of the story and continuing coverage of both sides over a single view.
My biggest issue with news outlets and media in general is the need for "hits" and sponsorship.
TumblingHippo
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CNN does some weird stuff with their wording of events. I don't know if it's unintentional or not, but at this point, I don't know what is anymore.
Wilson is only "the man who fired the shots that killed Michael Brown". The shots are the ones who did the killing.
Wilson is only "the man who fired the shots that killed Michael Brown". The shots are the ones who did the killing.
Arrest the bullets.
HP_Wuvcraft
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I love that video:
"I thought you were gonna be funny. Come on, John, be funny."
"I am not your monkey."
You're completely missing the point.
Lots of good media is giving "both sides of the story". It's just that good journalists don't stop there. They critically examine what they're being told and try to give their viewers some ability to figure out who's full of shit.
Nabs
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We really need more before sundown. =/
Brolic Gaoler
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The point being discussed before was the poster quoted didn't believe CNN should cover both sides at all, not how deep they delve into the information from both sides to ferret out the BS.
As for what you're saying now, I haven't seen anyone doing that. Can you link me to a good media outlet that is because when my son is watching cartoons I'm pretty much SOL on good coverage.
Nabs
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I love these interviews.
MorisUkunRasik
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I'd really like to see the protests during the day...another example of the media half-assing their coverage.
Well, no. You were just not understanding what was being discussed. The people you were replying to in the post I quoted were complaining about a lack of "refereeing" and about CNN presenting all opinions as "equally valid". Nothing about how good journalists leave their audience totally ignorant that there are people who are on one particular side or that they should not give their audience an idea of what those people are arguing.
On Ferguson in particular, it's pretty easy to gather the stories of "both sides" in this thread. Maddow on MSNBC, cable-wise, has been pretty good (she usually is) about not pretending that there aren't people on the other side even as she tries to put what's going on in context and tries to sort out what's actually happening. IIRC there was a Vox link a while back that seemed to do a good job of laying out how sure we could be of various claims (at the time).
Byakuya769
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That's not what was said at all. He suggested that CNN isn't a good news organizations because it spends too much time forcing a false balance by presenting both sides "for stories where it shouldn't." You're projecting and everyone is following you down the rabbit hole.
Icanplaythat
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Funeral on Monday at 10AM.
MorisUkunRasik
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Really hope there aren't any troublemakers out there so his family can at least lay him down peacefully.
Where is Westboro?
Icanplaythat
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