Lol okay. Do you also think the justice system is remotely fair?
Thank you for making my point for me.
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Lol okay. Do you also think the justice system is remotely fair?
Thank you for making my point for me.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
An investigation at all does not imply charges. And there is no such thing as a hate crime. "Hate crime" is a instigating factor in a already existing crime.
So even with oversight from other departments and the fed/FBI anything short of a conviction is going to be a cover up and bullshit? Because that's how this is coming off.
Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed this.
Honestly, I think this cop is going to walk, and Ferguson is going to explode.
BTW, the right has been utterly deplorable in this situation. I find it amazing that they always have to take the douche-bag position on everything minority related. It's almost at a cartoonish level.
Amensalism
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i haven't been following this story at all.
But I tuned into Fox (for a different story), and Hannity had a reporter at the protest. Hannity asked the reporter to speak with one of the protestors.
The protestor was making a decent point... All of a sudden, they "lost" connection with the reporter lol
But I tuned into Fox (for a different story), and Hannity had a reporter at the protest. Hannity asked the reporter to speak with one of the protestors.
The protestor was making a decent point... All of a sudden, they "lost" connection with the reporter lol
Nappuccino
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HP_Wuvcraft
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"If a police officer tells me to pull over - "
"But - "
"Hold on. If a police officer tells me to pull over, I do so. I put my hand on the wheel. I don't bum rush the guy. If someone did that to me, of course I'd fear for my life. He was a big boy."
What the hell is... and my bro-bro said "big boy" in that condescending tone, too.
"But - "
"Hold on. If a police officer tells me to pull over, I do so. I put my hand on the wheel. I don't bum rush the guy. If someone did that to me, of course I'd fear for my life. He was a big boy."
What the hell is... and my bro-bro said "big boy" in that condescending tone, too.
You aren't making sense. Defendants often do not appear before a grand jury because the risk is substantial. Why would a prosecutor intent on torpedoing the case (a ridiculous premise, just to be clear) invite him to appear given this fact?
Nabs
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hahaha. That sounds about right.
This feelinsofly stream is still going strong. He's right in the middle of the crowd.
Are you thick? My point was that it's coming from a civil point. The only way the shooter is charged in a criminal court is if it's found to be a hate crime. A civil investigation is more likely to end up investigating police practices and training in the area, not charges against the officer himself.
Yes there is such a thing as a hate crime. It happens when a crime is motivated by bias of some sort which is why it's hard to prove. You're arguing against yourself here, if you didn't notice.
GJ avoiding that question. But you tend to do that. I'm done here.
I don't think the man has brought water to a single night he's been reporting in Ferguson.
Puppet Shadow
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Like I said the night before; If you can't restrain an unarmed civilian without blowing their head off, you really shouldn't be a police officer.
Chezzymann
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So whats going on tonight? any developments?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
It's not a relevant question. Mine is. You've made it pretty clear short of a conviction anything else is a cover up and or bullshit. Even with the federal government actively overseeing and conducting their own investigation.
Which makes it a instigating factor of an already existing crime. Hate crime is not in and of itself a crime. It makes the already existing crime committed worse.
Nappuccino
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Love that he still assumes the cop was bum rushed. Maybe he was, but we don't know hardly anything yet.
This is him telling you not to talk about this type of thing with him.
So far they're walking around protesting. Nothing terribly bad happened tonight. That one religious lady seems to have done a good job calming the crowd when it seemed like things were getting a bit tense tho.
Dead on here. And I say this as someone that used to think like that, ashamed as I am to admit that I used to think like that.
I grew up white, in a white neighborhood, went to schools where you could count the minorities on one or two hands. I used to watch FOX news all the time. It was a slow process for me and much of that is because of GAF. I stopped watching FOX news on my own but as I kept reading threads like this, I kept getting exposed to it and I started to think, did research on my own, and said well either the whole world is lying about this stuff orrr my world view is skewed.
Random Painted HIghway
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Eh, having appeared before over a hundred grand juries on cases, feel free to ask me anything you want on them. Defednants are routinely invited to testify and in a case like this, I would be stunned if he were not afforded that opportunity, it is a professional curtesy in these cases. Usually this is a trap because this is under oath and will lay bare the defensive strategy.
Sounds like you work in law. What do you think are the chances he is actually convicted based on the current evidence?
You just keep building that straw man, kiddo.
one day you will see the type of person you've been and it will pain you. You have my pity for when that day comes.
Can't ignore on mobile.
Punchy4486
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Since this is an important matter, can you elaborate a bit on your experience (ie in what capacity you've appeared before them and/or what the process is like)?
More_Badass
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I feel you, HP. I'm in the same position with my dad
According to him, Brown was a thug, and of course the cop would fire, fearing for his life as he was attacked.
Oh, and people are "rioting" and "looting" because they always have to make these incidents a racial thing, instead of letting the police investigate
It's so frustrating. And extremely eye opening at least for me. I've realized that I don't share the same beliefs and values as my parents. Oh, and trust me, he's tried so hard to push the conservative agenda.
block tower
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just got home and check CNN to see that they're having some corny race discussions. its so awkward seeing black America have to go under the national microscope and have race issues discussed so calculated . CNN is truly milking this Ferguson thing for all it's worth.
Puppet Shadow
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Is it possible to perjure yourself in a grand jury if what you say is later proven in court to be false, even if you're not called to the stand during the court case?
Random Painted HIghway
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Why are we assuming that the FBI investigation will only address civil penalties? Those charges can carry prison time.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/federal-statutes
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/federal-statutes
MorisUkunRasik
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The bum rush account of events doesn't reconcile itself with any other witness reports.
Can someone post the exact quotes of when the National Guard member said the n word while telling CNN's producers to get out because of the black people in Fergusson?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That's another thing, it's all him. We don't ever bring this stuff up because we know he'll just spout out "ironically" racist jokes and whatever the latest thing he happened to overhear was.
None of this is us trying to engage him in discussion. He just wants to be validated in his ignorance.
Punchy4486
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We live in Chicago. I don't get that from my parents, thankfully, but I do get stuff like "why don't they protest when blacks kill blacks here"? Which is at least a bit more subtle or understated racism or misunderstanding of the situation.
Slap hiiim. He needs some real sense knocked into him right now. Maybe give him some links too that show the overwhelming evidence that he didn't rush the officer.
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thepotatoman
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Because he wants Wilson to give his side of the story to the grand jury, so that the grand jury will vote no on indictment. Wilson and his lawyers will agree to this because they know that's what's happening as well.
What doesn't make sense about this?
Might have to get direct then. "Love you bro, but I don't wanna talk about this. "
Or abandon FB entirely for a while.
Puppet Shadow
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It did with the one caught on tape, I think.
Because every other witness testifies as well? I mean, unless it's a huge conspiracy to present nothing but his testimony...which I guess you might even believe.
Nappuccino
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I'm so glad that Feelinsofly guy ran back into that dude in the tank top. He's a great, moving speaker imo.
edit: and of course the stream messes up lol
edit: and of course the stream messes up lol
HP_Wuvcraft
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Only with post hoc rationalization. We aren't sure what the person on the tape was actually talking about and only assume he's talking about the Wilson account of events because we've interpreted it as much after the account was popularized.
He could pretty much be talking about anything.
Nappuccino
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Home made Jackass videos.
More_Badass
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The most annoying thing (and maybe it's the same with you HP) is when I bring up the multiple witnesses who say Brown didn't rush him and they get dismissed as "You can trust the eyewitnesses, they didn't see the whole thing and people lie"
FamousLastX
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Well they do use them on occasion, just saw this posted from my state. On an unarmed teen who was walking and then standing still. Disgusting. Not to take the attention off this discussion, but I will share for those interested.
http://foxct.com/2014/08/19/hartford-police-stun-teen-with-taser/
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