Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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I'm not saying what they did was right I am saying that your personal experience over six years is not the same as the extremely damaging effects racism has on People of Colour over god knows how long. Racist terms are used to remind them of that damage. It's not even remotely the same. Did it hurt? Surely, it always hurts when people don't like you. Is it the same? Not remotely.

If a African American uses that term against me in a negative light it is the same, to me. It wasn't about me as a person but about my race. We can talk about the long laundry list of crap that happened because of racial equality in this country and I like to do that, but I won't have my experience wrapped up in a nice little box and told, well it's not that bad. Sorry. :/ I feel cheated, shamed, and quite stunned that the modern American citizen can use such negative racial slurs against another. If anything it makes me empathize with the blight of other legitimate racial abuses in this country. Things need to change. On all sides.
 
Unless you've lived through all that history, it is the same damn thing. Pretending that it isn't to justify your own casual racism and dismissal of others is a bloody travesty that perpetuates racial divides.

Wait, what? Are you saying because I haven't lived through slavery, then "nigger" and "cracker" are on the same level? I was trying not to join this convo, but damn, man.
 
I wish one organization would just say fuck your no fly zone and being us some coverage. Fuck your media zones and arrest all of us if you have to.
 
I wish one organization would just say fuck your no fly zone and being us some coverage. Fuck your media zones and arrest all of us if you have to.

the problem, and what immediately answered why there's a no fly zone for me, is that helicopter with no lights on Tim talked about.
 
Was that dude on CNN trying to charge the police? People having to hold him back.

edit: Yep this guy is going off on the police, people holding him back.
Same, been going to bed around 2, 3 am the past few days. These lives streams are way too compelling and tense. Seeing the things that have been happening live is just...fuck, can't believe this is my country
 
Police are moving them, but they appear to be stopping and letting the older guys from the peaceful protesters do their thing slowly but surely. Hope this doesn't go bad, I saw one guy being held back again by people in the crowd and they pushed him way back away from the cops.
 
Wait, what? Are you saying because I haven't lived through slavery, then "nigger" and "cracker" are on the same level? I was trying not to join this convo, but damn, man.

I'm saying that when you seek to demean an individual by virtue of the color of their skin, you are scum, no matter the race of the individual you demean or your own race. When you try to say that it's worse one way or another, that is inherently racist in your judgement.
 
I'm saying that when you seek to demean an individual by virtue of the color of their skin, you are scum, no matter the race of the individual you demean or your own race. When you try to say that it's worse one way or another, that is inherently racist in your judgement.

I'm about to make a thread about this if you want to discuss it there.
 
The police seriously needs to change their approach. -_-

They've changed their approach, that is obvious tonight. While not perfect it is a change.

I don't know how to word it so gonna say elder... the "elder" members of the protesters are doing their job of keeping calm and moving the crowd back.
 
Bad apples should be removed, but I saw one thrown plastic bottle lead to multiple arrests. That math doesn't add up. Did I miss some other stuff?
 
I don't understand this discussion about cracker versus other racial terms. On a base level, saying that you can never be offended by a racial slur is asinine. If you want to delineate based on systemic oppression and power dynamics, then that's a nuanced discussion that probably doesn't need to occur in this thread.

As for everyone downplaying the term's effect on a personal level, I grew up in an area with an over 90% white population, with almost every minority being Native American. Someone in my community was called a "cracker" multiple times by two Native Americans in public. This was not uncommon, as tensions sometimes run high between white people and Native Americans in that community. But in this case, he was called a "cracker" while walking down the sidewalk before he had his fucking head caved in with baseball bats. They literally didn't know him and had never seen him before, but they put him in a coma. He never recovered from his injuries and died several years later.

That doesn't change that Native Americans are routinely treated as second class citizens still to this day, and most of them are the poorest members of my old community. They are discriminated against on the very soil taken from them, but their plight is not undermined by acknowledging that minorities can dehumanize. So obviously the attack I mentioned goes deeper socially than just some rogue bad apples, but it's still fucking dehumanizing when that word comes from someone who actively does or wants to cause you harm based on your skin color alone. I don't give a shit how you try to justify it.
 
WTF was that on CNN? The guy was holding what looked like some kind of smoke grenade or something.

edit: protester not the cops. Also some white guy is being pointed out by the protesters and he's trying to get away, they are forcing him away from the group.
 
I get what you all are saying about it's "just" a water bottle, but think about it from the cops point of view, you have no idea what the fuck is in that bottle.

Also go out right now, throw a water battle at someone and see what happens.

I am not saying the cops response is warranted in the level they respond, but if you do that expect some form of a response.
 
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Local report.

52 people arrested last night. 4 were from Ferguson. There are large groups of agitators not from MO here stirring things up. Malik Shabazz being the worst offender. Mike Brown's parents have asked him to leave and he won't. Not a good person.

Ferguson has been hijacked by these types, and eventually the good people of Ferguson and the surrounding areas are going to join together to get rid of them. It's disgusting that these people couldn't care less about anything but their own priorities.

And in the middle of so many of these groups of out of town agitators are almost as many media members also disobeying police orders to clear the street. They're fueled by the hits and followers they get.

If you removed all the out of town agitators and the members of the media that don't genuinely care about anything but hits you'd have nothing but peaceful protests right now.

Makes me sick. I have friends who's kids can't go to school. Local owned businesses are losing countless dollars.

I get the outrage. I support the outrage. But these opportunists need to go the fuck home.
 
I get what you all are saying about it's "just" a water bottle, but think about it from the cops point of view, you have no idea what the fuck is in that bottle.

Also go out right now, throw a water battle at someone and see what happens.

I am not saying the cops response is warranted in the level they respond, but if you do that expect some form of a response.

They need to react accordingly, while maintaining a higher moral ground. Antagonizing the protesters and journalists over a water bottle will not make things better for anyone.
 
Local report.

52 people arrested last night. 4 were from Ferguson. There are large groups of agitators not from MO here stirring things up. Malik Shabazz being the worst offender. Mike Brown's parents have asked him to leave and he won't. Not a good person.

Ferguson has been hijacked by these types, and eventually the good people of Ferguson and the surrounding areas are going to join together to get rid of them. It's disgusting that these people couldn't care less about anything but their own priorities.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this the guy (head of the New Black Panthers) who was at one of the first press conferences claiming that his group was going to be keeping the peace?
 
Local report.

52 people arrested last night. 4 were from Ferguson. There are large groups of agitators not from MO here stirring things up. Malik Shabazz being the worst offender. Mike Brown's parents have asked him to leave and he won't. Not a good person.

Ferguson has been hijacked by these types, and eventually the good people of Ferguson and the surrounding areas are going to join together to get rid of them. It's disgusting that these people couldn't care less about anything but their own priorities.

And in the middle of so many of these groups of out of town agitators are almost as many media members also disobeying police orders to clear the street. They're fueled by the hits and followers they get.

If you removed all the out of town agitators and the members of the media that don't genuinely care about anything but hits you'd have nothing but peaceful protests right now.

Makes me sick. I have friends who's kids can't go to school. Local owned businesses are losing countless dollars.

I get the outrage. I support the outrage. But these opportunists need to go the fuck home.

Malik Shabazz? The chairman of the Black Panthers?
 
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