Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 12: Gwah, hah. Welcome to the Bowser's game.

Hours Left said:
Regular Toad can jump.

Captain Toad can't for inexplicable reasons. (Probably to suit the mechanics of his levels/game.)
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I don't know why but the fact that Captain Toad can't jump made me think that regular Toad can't, NSMBU was suddenly wiped from my mind.

Toad with a Captain Toad Final Smash would be AMAZING.
 
Can we at least be grateful that the leaker did not post this stuff on a Friday? Imagine waiting days for anything to be confirmed or debunked.
 
I've been looking at this leak all day and I have to say I might just be on #TeamReal. A lot of the counterarguments seem a little weak to me; it's not absolutely inconcievable that they might relocate Yoshi on the select screen or change Jigglypuff's eye colour. I think people read way too much into patterns that aren't necessarily concrete. I remember everyone was sure Chrom would replace Ike just because Ike "replaced" Roy. Every game is different and Sakurai's thoughts change (Miis, VIllager). If this leak is fake, bravo my forger friends. Bravo.

I'm totally okay with this roster if it's real, I have to say. Dr. Mario is a neat, low-effort fanservice character that didn't need to be there so I appreciate him. Of course the biggest tragedy is the loss of Ice Climbers. Such a unique character... I would gladly trade Falco for Ice Climbers even if he is kind of iconic for the Smash scene.

Regular Toad can jump.

Captain Toad can't for inexplicable reasons.
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Isn't it the heavy backpack or something?
 
So if the leak is true, a minimum of 53 characters, 16 minimum newcomers...

Remember when people used to think that 10 newcomers wasn't even a sure thing?

Lunchbillion said:
I've been looking at this leak all day and I have to say I might just be on #TeamReal. A lot of the counterarguments seem a little weak to me; it's not absolutely inconcievable that they might relocate Yoshi on the select screen or change Jigglypuff's eye colour. I think people read way too much into patterns that aren't necessarily concrete. I remember everyone was sure Chrom would replace Ike just because Ike "replaced" Roy. Every game is different and Sakurai's thoughts change (Miis, VIllager). If this leak is fake, bravo my forger friends. Bravo.

I'm totally okay with this roster if it's real, I have to say. Dr. Mario is a neat, low-effort fanservice character that didn't need to be there so I appreciate him. Of course the biggest tragedy is the loss of Ice Climbers. Such a unique character... I would gladly trade Falco for Ice Climbers even if he is kind of iconic for the Smash scene.
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Ice Climbers will be (according to the leak) DLC, along with Lucas, Wolf, Snake, and Chorus Kids.
 
BGBW said:
Also another odd omission is the bottom screen the stage select where they'd need to show a larger render of the stage. They were keen to show off their character renders but not one of a new stage?
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The most questionable thing for me is the ESRB tag. I've never heard of anything leaking via ESRB.
 
Forkball said:
Can we at least be grateful that the leaker did not post this stuff on a Friday? Imagine waiting days for anything to be confirmed or debunked.
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That's what we're going to have to do anyway. Sakurai's not going to comment on it; it will only be confirmed/debunked after the next character reveal.
 
If I recall correctly, wasn't it said that Captain Toad can't jump because his backpack is too heavy?

Can't remember if that was in the Treehouse Stream, or if a friend of mine just made it up. Either way, it makes sense to me.
 
i'm going team real on this one, it's pokemon all over again, if it would be fake we would've found an obvious mistake not just "lines are a bit off".
 
What the heck is happening... I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm okay with this leak if the "random people at Smashboards with their Nintendo reps" are right about the inclusion of Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Impa, and Mach Rider. Or it could just be the greatest elaborate scam SmashBoards has ever pulled.

For reference before whoever those Nintendo connections are included Impa and Mach Rider, this was SmashBoard's July rumor: http://smashboards.com/threads/the-ninka-foul-mouth-gematsu-johnknight1-compilation-theory.362684/

To clarify, my friend worked for NoA as a Product tester. During the time he was employed, he made sure he didn't actually tell me anything important. The recolor details he shared because he and I are design nuts and just like talking about that sort of thing. I was surprised when he told me the info about the roster, because I did not ask him about it. He was struggling to remember all the characters and told me "It's hard trying to figure out who's missing. It's a pretty big cast".

Consider this stuff a "thanks for sticking up for me" even though you're basically risking your own neck in the event I'm some malicious guy just out to cause havoc. Hope this all helps you out with your info scanning and trying to find out if any of these "leaks" are actually true or not.

For what it's worth, I don't think my friend had the whole picture.

Shun theorizes that his friend did not know every detail, partly because of memory, and part because some things may have been missing or not presented clearly. Con0rrrr, who I shared this with because of our similar stances and non bias on the issue of leaks, came to a conclusion using this information, as well as Foul Mouth leaker. We guess that the remaining newcomers will be Shulk, Chorus Men, Dixie Kong, Dark Pit, Doctor Mario, Ridley, Mewtwo (yes I know he and Doc aren't newcomers persay), Bowser Jr and Duck Hunt Dog. We're split on the other hand on the issue of Lucas/IC/Wolf and frankly, could see it going either way. We also theorize that Zelda will get a newcomer as well, to go along with the trophy quiz theory.

Of interest is Foul Mouth/Gematsu/Ninka/Johnknight1's leaks have NO conflicting elements between them. Also last night this leak was posted

http://boards.deniableplausibility.net/v/thread/255219896/#255219896 (dead link now; all it said was the following)

>Dixie
>Shulk
>Chorus Men
>Ridley
>Bowser Jr
>Mewtwo
>Duck Hunt Dog
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Makai said:
The most questionable thing for me is the ESRB tag. I've never heard of anything leaking via ESRB.
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Especially since no one in their right mind would want to say where they come from. The ESRB is a professional organisation so they'd not want to risk their reputation for a few Internet brownie points.

Obviously the leaker could just be pretending to be from the ESRB but why would they do that when people are actually using that fact against the leak?
 
Devil said:
Don't know if the question was asked already. But why are there level denotations on non CPU characters at all in this picture?

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It's also a different font than with CPU characters.
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Amiibos? Isn't they supposed to go to level 50?
 
These leaks needs some organisation since we have the 4chan stuff, the stuff from MrBadger and the SmashBoards guy. Of course there was murmurs of an organised fake leak which could explain the multiple sources.
 
This was pointed out before, but it passed almost unnoticed:
Why don’t the ESRB raters actually play the games they rate?

ESRB raters do not actually play the games during the rating process for a variety of reasons. First, many games have upwards of 50 hours of gameplay, so requiring a minimum of three raters to play through each of the more than 1,000 games rated annually by ESRB would be inefficient given the high degree of repetition in video games. Additionally, because games are player-controlled there are many different permutations of gameplay. In other words, one player of a particular game may see very different types of content than another depending on his or her actions or decisions in the course of playing. Consequently, engaging in gameplay as part of our rating process would offer no greater assurance that all pertinent content was considered in the assignment of a rating.

Finally, given the manufacturing and print advertising deadlines to which publishers are subject (which may fall 60-90 days before a game ships), games are typically submitted to ESRB for rating before they have been finalized or fully tested. As a consequence, games may be "buggy" or not fully functional, making it difficult, if not impossible, for a rater to play through the game.

ESRB staff play-tests a variety of games and apps after they are released - including games that generate consumer inquiries to ESRB and those that receive broad consumer exposure - to verify that the content disclosure provided to ESRB during the rating process was accurate and complete.
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http://www.esrb.org/ratings/faq.jsp#17
 
I'm doing my best not to ask silly questions but..
Is it logical for Bowser JR to be in considering he was left out of MK? That would seem strange to me.
 
wheapon said:
I'm still confused as to why the ready to fight banner is missing. That and the contrast on Ganondorf's icon is awful. #teamfake
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Kirby hasn't actually been selected yet. The cursor is hovering over him, and the player needs to press A, then the Ready to Fight banner will appear. Also, this explains the larger gap between the CPU text and the CPU's level for some reason, as we've seen in gameplay videos.
 
BGBW said:
Especially since no one in their right mind would want to say where they come from. The ESRB is a professional organisation so they'd not want to risk their reputation for a few Internet brownie points.

Obviously the leaker could just be pretending to be from the ESRB but why would they do that when people are actually using that fact against the leak?
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Oh. That's plausible. I wouldn't look too much deeper into their motivations. People make imperfect judgments.
 
BGBW said:
Amiibos have their own indicator, FP.


Also it would be rather impressive to show that off when figurines aren't final and they haven't even shown off the 3DS reader.
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ESRB submissions are required to show off all data in the game, including unused or unfinished data that remains in the game's files.

They would have to show Amiibos.
 
KelpPlankton said:
ESRB submissions are required to show off all data in the game, including unused or unfinished data that remains in the game's files.

They would have to show Amiibos.
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If they are from the ESRB.

Also, as I said. Amiibos have an FP indicator rather than P1-4.
 
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So under the assumption of it being for realz:

A. I kinda figured the GB stage was gonna be Kirby only & not a medley.

B. WTF is that pink stage?
 
georgetheplushie said:
Kirby hasn't actually been selected yet. The cursor is hovering over him, and the player needs to press A, then the Ready to Fight banner will appear. Also, this explains the larger gap between the CPU text and the CPU's level for some reason, as we've seen in gameplay videos.
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Does the finger on the selection hand normally point while selecting a character? I definitely agree that the select token is larger, though.
 
superNESjoe said:
This was not unnoticed, its been discussed and brought up numerous times. The thought is that its from a video, especially considering the footage looks like its from a capture card.
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Why would he pretend to be from the ESRB then? It just sounds like "I work for Namco", "I'm a beta tester", "I'm Sakurai's son" or any other random excuse.
 
The only thing I hate form this is freaking Pitoo. It was a lame character in Uprising (the only good thing were the two or three jokes thrown laughing of the "dark clone" trope) and its a lamer character here.
I understand 15 year olds liking the character, becuase thats why they are made, but is nothing more than a pallete swap with an "im an emo and I dont know if I have to be a good guy or a bad guy, and if I help, its not because im starting to like the main character or anything, hmpf" stitch.

If the rest of Koopa Kids are part of Bowser Jr movements in the koopa clown car, it can be a really cool addition.

Jintor said:
The duck hunt art is beautiful tho
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It indeed is, its magnificent and mixes really well with the smash renders of the rest of the characters.
 
BGBW said:
These leaks needs some organisation since we have the 4chan stuff, the stuff from MrBadger and the SmashBoards guy. Of course there was murmurs of an organised fake leak which could explain the multiple sources.
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I agreed. I'm pretty sure that it's a huge group posting the leaks so if it's in case one or two pictures got disproven then they can quickly said that it's not their.

I meant. Look at all screens. Ganondorf in red team picture had same pose in his icon at CSS. They said that they didn't leak that one but somehow it just got out. I think someone said its fake. *shrugs*
 
It's funny that all the "leak" with pictures don't tries to put characters from the trophy theory, like impa or girahim or ridley or Sylux, because they don't know if this thoery is really accurate so they try the safe bet of what was talked recently on the web.
 
As nice as these shots and as much as I want Bowser Jr. and think Duck Hunt Dog would be awesome, I'm still not completely convinced. I shall continue with my policy of all leaks are fake until the game release proves otherwise.
 
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