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[Loco4Coco]

I'm only angry because Wolf

Don't worry, he'll be in the game.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

The reason Miis are disabled in For Anyone matches has nothing to do with move customization; it's the bullying worry. There's no reason they should have to be disabled in offline play. The idea that Miis are unavailable whenever customization is off, even in offline play, is pure speculation. It's just as likely they'll have a default moveset and will be available in that form. I imagine Palutena will work the same way, and she'll be playable With Anyone because there's no bullying issue with her like there i with Miis.

Thank for clarifying that. I guess I heard speculation and took it as confirmed.

 

[User 73706]

This is exactly why Nintendo needs to be more careful when choosing random people for making crap songs for video contests.

stealth c(rap) music post?

 

[Zeeman]

if it is a fake, no doubt this is one of the best of all time.
just the Duck Hunt render is top notch.

Yeah, I still think fake, but that Duck Hunt render is the only thing giving me pause. It just looks fantastic, and oozes charm.

 

[Mista Koo]

I'm probably mistaken about the Duck Hunt render, couldn't find anything similar. I'm still hoping it's not real but I'm 50:50.

I think I would prefer using Bowser Jr. over Ridley even though the latter deserves it more. I guess I also have to get over Shulk being in.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Good thing I already read it before they took it down. I'm curious how much they changed it.

With all this hubbub about the leak, I've gotten behind on the fic. I still haven't read chapter 7. When 8 goes back up, let us know if there were any important changes!

 

[emb]

Yeah, I still think fake, but that Duck Hunt render is the only thing giving me pause. It just looks fantastic, and oozes charm.

Same here, only add in the Shulk and Bowser Jr ones too. (or do we have an origin found for those?)

 

[Rayis]

I'm just glad Duck Hunt Dog is playable because I've always wanted to beat the heck out of that dog for laughing at me, after all these years I'll finally get my vengeance

 

[Distresssss]

The Yoshi placement is definitely weird. Maybe they want to put the newcomers after the vets in a series, but why is Wario considered more separate than Yoshi? Yoshi did appear in Galaxy 2, but it seems so randomly nitpicky.

It's not randomly nitpicky. Yoshi literally has a different icon representation from the Mario characters. He's never been in between them before either. I don't think Sakurai would change that. If he did Wario would be before Rosalina and Bowser Jr.


It's just a small mistake in an otherwise legit looking leak.

 

[Kouriozan]

I'm just glad Duck Hunt Dog is playable because I've always wanted to beat the heck out of that dog for laughing at me

Dat potential Final Smash!

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Thank for clarifying that. I guess I heard speculation and took it as confirmed.

Your second sentence could be the motto of this entire thread There's probably not a single person here who hasn't mistaken speculation for confirmed fact at some point.

 

[Jaeger]

How come the "Duck Hunt" render lacks any fur? All of the animals with fur show visible fur? Questions that should be asked, and further the obvious fakeness of it.

 

[Fireblend]

While I appreciate this roster as a whole and I would be totally happy with the overall selection, it makes me sad that Lucas and Chorus Men would not be present in the initial retail release of the game :/

I would honestly be happy about Lucas being in at all. He's my main and knowing he'd be available even if I had to pay extra for him actually puts me at ease.

 

[PhoenixDawn]

I for one am excited to see the Duck Hunt Dog assist trophy in tonight's POTD.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Wario is more separate than Yoshi though, right? Mario almost always shows up in Yoshi's games, or at least Mario characters. Outside of cameos, do we ever see Mario characters in the WarioWare series?

Mario appeared in a lot of microgames (that aren't 9-Volt's) in the first game, does that count?
Otherwise, Warioware has more ties with Rhythm Heaven than Mario.

 

[Kouriozan]

I would honestly be happy about Lucas being in at all. He's my main and knowing he'd be available even if I had to pay extra for him actually puts me at ease.

Exactly, he was also my main <3

 

[JoeInky]

How come the "Duck Hunt" render lacks any fur? All of the animals with fur show visible fur? Questions that should be asked, and further the obvious fakeness of it.

To make it look more like the NES sprite I'd say, it's supposed to be a retro character, after all.

 

[Beelzebufo]

How come the "Duck Hunt" render lacks any fur? All of the animals with fur show visible fur? Questions that should be asked, and further the obvious fakeness of it.

I don't think you know what the word "obvious" means.

It's not randomly nitpicky. Yoshi literally has a different icon representation from the Mario characters. He's never been in between them before either. I don't think Sakurai would change that. If he did Wario would be before Rosalina and Bowser Jr.

It's just a small mistake in an otherwise legit looking leak.

Wario would still be after those characters. Yoshi games are still basically Mario games, but WarioWare games are as different as Donkey Kong games.

Mario appeared in a lot of microgames (that aren't 9-Volt's) in the first game, does that count?
Otherwise, Warioware has more ties with Rhythm Heaven than Mario.

I wouldn't say so, otherwise he's also a Metroid/Kid Icarus/Zelda character.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

I have no real thoughts on if its fake or real. I would be happy with that roster although a part of me would be sad about no Mewtwo or Ridley. Also that Dr. Mario and Dark Pit would get in as clones but Wolf and Lucas would get relegated to DLC. Although I like the idea of perhaps withholding them until the Wii U version. Although with the return of Dr. Mario, I'd be kinda dissapointed that Mewtwo wouldn't return.

 

[SkullHydra]

So I wake up this morning to find that #teamreal still believes it's real and found more 'evidence' supporting it, while #teamfake still believes that it's fake and also found more 'evidence' against it.

Sounds like a typical leak day on SmashGAF.

 

[KelpPlankton]

How come the "Duck Hunt" render lacks any fur? All of the animals with fur show visible fur? Questions that should be asked, and further the obvious fakeness of it.

Different characters have their hair rendered differently. Marth's hair looks nothing like Toon Link's. The DK characters have always been shown as covered in detailed fur whenever it was possible, but the Duck Hunt dog and ducks are 8-bit characters that have only ever been shown in a cartoony style.

Them not having realistic fur is just a stylistic choice.

There are things that are legitimately weird about these leak images, the lack of fur on a cartoon dog is not one of them.

 

[Zeeman]

Same here, only add in the Shulk and Bowser Jr ones too. (or do we have an origin found for those?)

I don't know if anyone's found an origin, but there's already plenty of existing 3D media of both characters for a modeler to play around with (and someone may have found a Little Mac pic that Shulk is based on), so they're less impressive.

Also, Bowser Jr. could have cool paint-based powers, so I'm down with that. Also, a final smash with all the Koopalings swarming the other players.

 

[Kouichi]

Trying to argue on why Yoshi is placed like that is pointless. No matter where you stand with the leak, you can't deny that Yoshi works against it.

 

[IntelliHeath]

With all this hubbub about the leak, I've gotten behind on the fic. I still haven't read chapter 7. When 8 goes back up, let us know if there were any important changes!

Basically, it's Game of Smash.

Check it if you want to know one spoiler about yourself

Spoiler

Yeah, You and Troubled Bat have a child, and it's Fox. :V

 

[PBalfredo]

Because the Mii fighter select screen was also leaked, and customization is off.

I'm pretty sure that is suppose to be a customization screen, not a select mii or real character screen since we've seen screenshots of both miis and character fighting together. Because otherwise you'd have to back out of the character select screen to select mii fighters and holy shit what bad UI would that be!

If customization being off is your reason, then why is Palutena on the CSS?

The thing though, is with Customizations on and all 5 DLC characters, where do Miis fit into the CSS?

Hmmmm

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Just ONE new character reveal, Sakurai, just for closure. Just so we know whether to put this leak out to pasture or make a thread about it.

 

[Jaeger]

To make it look more like the NES sprite I'd say, it's supposed to be a retro character, afterall.

Make it a 3D model with modern facial expressions, but full stop at fur?
... and what is Donkey Kong if not a retro character?

I don't think you know what the word "obvious" means.

Classic beezlebuffalo. Attempt to differ point made by attacking my understanding of the English language. Check.

Different characters have their hair rendered differently. Marth's hair looks nothing like Toon Link's. The DK characters have always been shown as covered in detailed fur whenever it was possible, but the Duck Hunt dog and ducks are 8-bit characters that have only ever been shown in a cartoony style.

Them not having realistic fur is just a stylistic choice.

There are things that are legitimately weird about these leak images, the lack of fur on a cartoon dog is not one of them.

Please stop. None of what you saying argues against what I said. Animals, not fucking Toon Link from Cel-shading world's hair versus fucking Marth.

Animals.

 

[TRI Mike]

This looks kinda fake but if it isn't, I'll be the first to be happy about Shulk.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Just ONE new character reveal, Sakurai, just for closure. Just so we know whether to put this leak out to pasture or make a thread about it.

Sakurai feeds off of our suffering. For all we know, he might not bother revealing anyone else before launch just because he likes to see us squirm.

 

[Loco4Coco]

Just ONE new character reveal, Sakurai, just for closure. Just so we know whether to put this leak out to pasture or make a thread about it.

It doesn't even have to be a character reveal to disconfirm(?) this leak.

 

[JoeInky]

Make it a 3D model with modern facial expressions, but full stop at fur?
... and what is Donkey Kong if not a retro character?

DK has more recent depictions showing him having detail fur, and his design is based on the post DKC version not the arcade version.


DHD is a cartoon dog based on an NES game with no current design, adding fur to it would look bad if you asked me, especially if it looked like the shit they pulled with DK and Diddy.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I made a thread for it.

Would like to see non-Smash GAF comment...although I've seen a lot of new faces in this thread because of the leak.

 

[Jaeger]

DK has more recent depictions showing him having detail fur, and his design is based on the post DKC version not the arcade version.


DHD is a cartoon dog based on an NES game with no current design, adding fur to it would look bad if you asked me, especially if it looked like the shit they pulled with DK and Diddy.

lol, #teamreal or nuthin.

 

[Masked Man]

I understand that but we should be happy that they would be in the game rather than missing the cut.

That's what I really want DLC characters. If they didn't finish the roster, then they don't have to cut any characters because they would release them as dlc characters.

Better than nothing.

No, you make a good point, and I agree: it's better to have the characters come back in some form or another than not at all. I hope the DLC releases sooner rather than later!

I would honestly be happy about Lucas being in at all. He's my main and knowing he'd be available even if I had to pay extra for him actually puts me at ease.

Same here! He's my main in Smash and the protagonist from my all-time favorite game, so I'd be happy to just have him back--even if that meant I'd have to shell out a few more bucks.

 

[KelpPlankton]

Please stop. None of what you saying argues against what I said. Animals, not fucking Toon Link from Cel-shading world's hair versus fucking Marth.

Animals.

Pikachu is covered in fur and is never rendered with fur.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

It doesn't even have to be a character reveal to disconfirm(?) this leak.

Loco, this is the Smash fandom. You say "deconfirm."

But yes, that is also true.

 

[Red Arremer]

It's not randomly nitpicky. Yoshi literally has a different icon representation from the Mario characters. He's never been in between them before either. I don't think Sakurai would change that. If he did Wario would be before Rosalina and Bowser Jr.

Just to put something on top of that, the music in Brawl was tagged with letters. It started with series that were in Smash 64, then in Melee, and then in Brawl. Yoshi is considered its own series in this regard. The only odd ones out here are Mother, which is after Fire Emblem for some reason (and it can't be based on stage appearances either cuz Onett and Fourside were in Melee but FE didn't have a stage till Brawl), and Ice Climbers, which doesn't have its own series letter tag, but is put with the other NES games.

Here's the spread, gonna list em all for completion's sake:
A - Mario
B - Donkey Kong
C - The Legend of Zelda
D - Metroid
E - Yoshi
F - Kirby
H - Pokémon
I - F-Zero
J - Fire Emblem
K - Mother
L - Pikmin
M - WarioWare
N - Animal Crossing
P - Kid Icarus
Q - Various NES themes, including Ice Climber's music
R - Various other Nintendo music
S - Metal Gear
T - Several Smash Bros. main themes
U - Sonic
W - Super Smash Bros. Melee
X - Menu Music
Y - Subspace Emissary
Z - Jingles (including Victory themes)

I think it's very interesting.

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Also, V is not on this list probably because it's visually similar to U, and thus easy to mistype/read when doing a lot of coding.

 

[Jaeger]

Pikachu is covered in fur and is never rendered with fur.

And he's legitimately already been revealed, aswell. Also, not a retro character.

 

[Distresssss]

I don't think you know what the word "obvious" means.


Wario would still be after those characters. Yoshi games are still basically Mario games, but WarioWare games are as different as Donkey Kong games.


I wouldn't say so, otherwise he's also a Metroid/Kid Icarus/Zelda character.

I would argue Yoshi is a more seperate character. His original game didn't even have Mario in it. Wario's first ever appearance was in a Mario game. Wario was literally made to be an evil Mario.


They both have plenty of games that don't feature Mario whatsoever. Some of the Wario Ware games, Wario Land. Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Wooly World, Yoshi's Cookie.


At the end of the day they are both seperated from the Mario series by the icon. Yoshi with his egg and Wario with his. Sakurai has never broken tradition so far and there is absolutely no reason for him to do so now. Any debate against the contrary is moot in my eyes.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

To make it look more like the NES sprite I'd say, it's supposed to be a retro character, afterall.

But why Duck Hunt? Other than the fact that people on sites like GameFAQs and 4chan have jokingly suggested the dog, it seems like such a random choice. The game was never popular in Japan, and I'm not sure what exactly this character is supposed to represent. The NES launch lineup? That's what the Ice Climbers are for, and apparently they got cut because... nobody knows why, even though they already have content in Smash Run. Do you honestly expect me to believe that the Ice Climbers were cut due to time constraints, and yet they had enough time to add Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and 7 Koopaling alts? People originally thought that the Ice Climbers would get cut over some mistranslated Sakurai quote, fearing that the 3DS wasn't powerful enough to handle them. And yet the addition of Rosalina and Luma completely debunks that. I'm fully behind IntelliHeath's theory.

 

[Beelzebufo]

And he's legitimately already been revealed, aswell. Also, not a retro character.

What are you even talking about?

 

[Roo]

I'm impressed by the amount of work behind this.
Whoever took this "leak" pic, they made sure to leave not trace.
I tried to extract the EXIF data to see if there was any Photoshop or any other post-processing software involved but it was completely removed from the pic.

 

[KelpPlankton]

And he's legitimately already been revealed, aswell. Also, not a retro character.

I have no idea what you're trying to say now. Are you arguing against yourself? Different characters look different based on where they're from. Donkey Kong has fur, Pikachu doesn't. Duck Hunt characters could be done either way, we don't know.

I'm not saying it's real, I'm just saying this line of reasoning proves nothing in either direction.

 

[SkullHydra]

Looks like a thread has been made: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=878858

 

[Red Arremer]

Wario would still be after those characters. Yoshi games are still basically Mario games, but WarioWare games are as different as Donkey Kong games.

Your definition of Yoshi games doesn't matter. In Super Smash Bros., Yoshi has ALWAYS been its own series. In Brawl, it had its own category for trophies. It has its own icon, its own stages and its own music that is separated from other Mario music.

 

[Forkball]

It's not randomly nitpicky. Yoshi literally has a different icon representation from the Mario characters. He's never been in between them before either. I don't think Sakurai would change that. If he did Wario would be before Rosalina and Bowser Jr.


It's just a small mistake in an otherwise legit looking leak.

I mean nitpicky in the sense that someone would consider Yoshi more of a Mario character than Wario. If it's real, it's a strange decision, and if it's fake it seems like an dumb thing to miss.

 

[Jaeger]

EDIT - Second look. Those are nothing alike, sans positioning. Foot in mouth.

 

[emb]

I'm impressed by the amount of work behind this.
Whoever took this "leak" pic, they made sure to leave not trace.
I tried to extract the EXIF data to see if there was any Photoshop or any other post-processing software involved but it was completely removed from the pic.

I would think, most likely, that whoever made it would do all the photoshopping to the image first, then put it on a screen, then take a picture of that with a camera or phone or early 1990's webcam and then share the final photograph unedited.

 

[Star Falcon]

No Fludd, different behaving pills, no wall jump, different final smash, Melee vet.

All convincing arguments on why Doc should be back. He's also incredibly easy to add to the roster as a unique character.

Mario has the Fludd this time around then? Didn't even realise.

As long as he is different enough, then fair.

is there some sort of hard cap for slots?

Well i suppose you can only have so much assets in the game. Doctor Mario would share a lot with regular Mario, whereas Mewtwo would take up more space. No idea how they are managing for resources on disc, but would like to think they are squeezing every MB available.

edit: damn this thread moves fast

 

[Beelzebufo]

I would argue Yoshi is a more seperate character. His original game didn't even have Mario in it. Wario's first ever appearance was in a Mario game. Wario was literally made to be an evil Mario.

They both have plenty of games that don't feature Mario whatsoever. Some of the Wario Ware games, Wario Land. Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Wooly World, Yoshi's Cookie.

At the end of the day they are both seperated from the Mario series by the icon. Yoshi with his egg and Wario with his. Sakurai has never broken tradition so far and there is absolutely no reason for him to do so now. Any debate against the contrary is moot in my eyes.

Yoshi's first appearance is Super Mario World, which has Mario in it. Yoshi's Story has Bowser, Wooly World has Pirahna Plants. Wario is based off of his WarioWare series, which is very separate from Mario, like DKC.