Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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onadesertedisland said:
I think small towns across the country might challenge them for the corruption crown. If they hadn't targeted the media, I think the spin might have started to bury this situation.
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Yup. Like I said in the previous thread, this whole thing turned on them the second they targeted the media, inadvertent or not. Now the media are coming for that ass
 
Unbelievable what's been going on here.

I also think it's sad that outside a few of my social circles the vast majority of people I know don't pay what's going on much attention or think it's of much consequence.
 
More_Badass said:
So I think we can say that the Ferguson PD has surpassed even comic book supervillainry. Because even those bad guys know to lay love when there's heat on them.

But the Ferguson PD? It's not enough that an unarmed man got killed. Oh no. They have to add insanely aggressive and unfair tactics, raiding churches, (maybe?) making that bullet disappear, arresting journalist, etc, etc. to the list

You couldn't make this shit up.

Edit: btw, did Amnesty go back into Ferguson after that first time?
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Yes, they were there last night. IIRC Tim was about to start asking them questions during the incident at McD's but things got to hectic for them and they declined.
 
onadesertedisland said:
Take away all of that equipment. They didn't need it.

What threat could that person have been that they arrested? They picked a target to make a point. Sickening.
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Not sure really, probably standing still. But this is kind of what people have been asking for. Individual arrests instead of tear gassing everyone.

I'd still say making people constantly march and arresting anyone that stops is pretty over the top police response, but compared to the last week? Baby steps? IDK.

People complain about the police yelling at press but the way they were swarming around any and everyone last night that looked like he was about to be arrested was kinda gross.

from the last thread again: http://petapixel.com/2014/08/20/embarrassed-photograph-ferguson/

I really appreciate the press telling the story but rule #1 is don't become the story.
 
LeadProtagonist said:
Unbelievable what's been going on here.

I also think it's sad that outside a few of my social circles the vast majority of people I know don't pay what's going on much attention or think it's of much consequence.
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Yea I have a couple of friends that think all this is just overblown while I have some that didn't even know what was going on.
 
This entire this is maddening and disgusting. With all the gun sells I wouldn't be surprised if there's an attempted out and out revolt. And that blaze bullshit would be laughable if it weren't so depressing.
 
onadesertedisland said:
Dude the Fox News story is so comically written I don't even know how to describe it. How did they find an unscrupulous enough journalist to pen that piece of trash?
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I had to dig to find this, but it was reminiscent of ttk's post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125592866&postcount=8710
Mike Brown had just stolen a pack of cigarillos Cubans and was strolling down the middle of the street like he owned the place. Policeman Darren Wilson, a loving husband and father to 2.5 honor roll kids, was on patrol, trying to keep the streets safe, and presently he pulled up cautiously to the hulking Mike Brown and his accomplice.

"Hey fellas, would you mind keeping off the roads? Thanks."

Mike Brown stared at the officer. "Get fucked, pig."

Darren Wilson felt less than human under Brown's gaze. He pulled away, when a call came over his radio. "Store robbery reported, large black male suspect." Darren looked in his rearview mirror. There were not only one but TWO black males! Surely one of them might be the suspect, or at least know them in this tight-knit colored community! Wilson threw his car into reverse, pulling aside the negroes, and asked if they knew anything about any robberies.

Suddenly, Mike Brown took an aggressive step toward the vehicle! Lunging through the window, his black hands went instinctively for the cop's gun, a trait passed down in the Black Gene to all black males. Darren Wilson feared for his life, and accidentally fired the gun at Mike Brown.

Mike Brown staggered back, and started to run. Officer Wilson couldn't believe it... how could he run after being shot? Surely he was on the African Rage Drug, and if he got out into the community... God only knew what rampage he could go on then.

Thinking of his wife and children back home, Mr. Wilson fired another shot, striking Mike Brown in the back. "Surely that will be enough to end this menace," Darren thought, but his eyes widened as the giant black figure turned around, a sneer on his lips. Darren couldn't believe it... how could he still be standing....?

Unless...
He was inhuman?!

Officer Wilson gritted his teeth, knowing that his time had come. Clearly the animals in Ferguson had been working on this monster for some time, and were about to unleash him on unsuspecting white suburbs.

Knowing it was likely futile, Officer Wilson fired his weapon, crying out for God's help. It felt like it took so many bullets... but finally the demon fell. Darren fired at the downed body, just to be sure. Darren put his gun back in his holster, wondering when the president would call him and thank him for saving America. In the meantime, though, another call came in over the radio. Some dangerous foreigners wielding cameras were shooting policemen with them. It seemed an officer's work was never truly done.
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To overstate my opinion, I was like 'whatever' about the protests and the police response. Then I saw that #officergofuckyourself video of a cop waving a real rifle at the crowd and media. That's just crazy. Riot gear and orange striped riot shotguns, that's for riots, which can possibly occur at a protest. But waving life threatening guns at non-life threatening people, again, is crazy.
 
Question. Are registered gun owners allowed to have them at protests or simply walking around ferguson or would they be seen as a threat and asked to put them away/leave.
 
Eric Bolling on Eric Holder, getting set straight by other fox news analyst.

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http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/19/foxs-bolling-doubts-eric-holder-can-be-fair-and/200480

e: lol halfway through they switch her title to "USA Today columnist".
 
Owlowiscious said:
To overstate my opinion, I was like 'whatever' about the protests and the police response. Then I saw that #officergofuckyourself video of a cop waving a real rifle at the crowd and media. That's just crazy. Riot gear and orange striped riot shotguns, that's for riots, which can possibly occur at a protest. But waving life threatening guns at non-life threatening people, again, is crazy.
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Exactly, the weapons are expected but it's not expected for them to point them at people for no reason.

I expect SWAT to show up at protests and riots, (they have all the riot and non-lethal gear) but I didn't expect them to be use on the front lines instead of normal cops or riot cops. This lack of self-control from all levels MO Law Enforcement is just mind-boggling. First Ferguson did it, then it was Ferguson with St. Louis Cops, and when the State Troopers took over, they did it too.
 
Correct me if I am wrong. But I see a lot of "This is the Ferguson PD's doing!" with regards to the overall police tactics of late.

I thought it was the case that the department was relieved of their duties and that the State Highway Patrol (of which Captain Johnson is the lead) is in complete control and command of the on-site police tactics and deployment? I mean, there are thousands of cops out there.
 
xnipx said:
Question. Are registered gun owners allowed to have them at protests or simply walking around ferguson or would they be seen as a threat and asked to put them away/leave.
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Missouri allows open carry, but I believe city and county law may be different.

But let's be real, what do you think would happen if legal gun owners who happened to be black open carried at a protest?

Open carry is by and large, not something black people can participate in.
 
Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source

Seeing stuff like this makes me pissed that the only thing my dad reads and watches is Fox News

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off
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Except it's already been said there was no evidence of a struggle

and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun
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Yeah, so near unconsciousness that he fired six shots and was just standing around afterwards

He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.
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Yeah he better be terrified...
 
Im guessing this will be pretty much the argument from the cop. Dont know much about guns but this guy broke it down pretty well.


http://m.thenewamerican.com/?url=ht...2hJ5j-_B5YzuR4Dp6Yc2XclhTCl29GOqA7y2AF9WvAmpT

Ex-Marine Gunner: Ferguson Shot Pattern Vindicates Officer Wilson

Does the unusual shot pattern in the Michael Brown shooting incident tell the tale of whether or not Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson fired in self-defense? Ex-marine and video blogger Michael Wilson certainly thinks so. And he has created a presentation explaining the significance of the pattern and why he thinks the Brown family autopsy ultimately will vindicate Officer Wilson.

Relating his background in marksmanship, Michael Wilson says, “In the Marines I was a corporal; I was a squad leader and the gunner on a 60-millimeter mortar. And in that position I had to qualify with a pistol.” He then points out that whether you’re in the military or on a police force (or anytime anyone is trained in the use of handguns, for that matter) you’re taught to aim for center mass, the torso, as it’s the easiest target to hit and is where most vital organs are located. For this reason, Michael Wilson was immediately struck by the Brown family autopsy report. He said:

The autopsy showed that Officer Wilson was pulling his shots to the left — his left....

You can see that the shots are going down the right side of Mike Brown’s body, hitting his arm, in fact; if Officer Wilson had pulled his shots any further, he would have missed him altogether. So why was Officer Wilson pulling his shots to the left?

Note also here that the 6’4”, 290-pound Brown’s torso was a very large target.

Having said this, it’s harder hitting targets with a handgun than most people think (it’s not like in the movies), and, when under the stress of a life or death situation and facing a moving assailant, hitting your target is more difficult still. Yet if this were the cause of Officer Wilson’s inaccuracy, or were he just a bad shot, his off-target grouping would be random. But this was not the case — again, there was adefinite pattern . What does it mean?

Michael Wilson explains. He mentions “Josie,” the friend of Officer Wilson who called into The Dana Show on NewsTalk 97.1 KTFK, gave the officer’s account of events and said that Brown had punched Officer Wilson in the face. This certainly explains the injury Officer Wilson suffered, an orbital blowout fracture of the left eye. Michael Wilson then connects the dots further, saying that if Brown was right-handed, and most people are, the left side of the face is precisely where he would have struck the officer. He then gets down to brass tacks:

So, here’s why his shots went off to the left. They have the fight, he [Officer Wilson] gets punched in the face, and if you’ve ever had a black eye, you know that not only does it hurt, but your vision automatically gets blurry. And you start squinting.... And so in order to see straight, you kind of tilt your head and cock it a little bit to the side. You can’t help it; it’s automatic; it’s just part of being human. And that means that when you’re firing a pistol, it’s automatically going to pull the pistol in the same direction. In this case, to the left .

Michael Wilson proceeds to fill in the blanks: Officer Wilson, with a painful and blurry left eye, is shooting at a charging Brown. But he’s pulling his shots left and starts hitting Brown in the arm with vertical variation “because when Brown is running ... his arm is going up and down, right about in line with the middle of the chest [center mass], where Officer Wilson would have been aiming.” To clarify, the shots are random in terms of height — some higher on the arm and some lower — because the arm is moving up and down, as it does when one runs. So when a given part of the arm passed through chest-height range, where Officer Wilson was aiming, it was in the line of fire. But while the height varied, all the arm shots were virtually the exact same distance left. This is consistent with a shooter with Officer Wilson’s left-eye injury: Left-right aim is affected negatively but uniformly, while up-down aim is unaffected and only varies in accordance with the target’s movement. Conclusion? Officer Wilson was a good, but injured, shot.

Michael Wilson continues, “As Brown gets closer, the shots start moving in closer to the center of his body.” This is because the closer your target is, the less time the bullet has to go off course (it’s a major reason why it’s easier to hit a golf green from 100 yards than from 200 yards). Then there was the fifth shot, which struck Brown around the right eye, which not only is closer to the center of the body, but, points out Michael Wilson, is consistent with “the way you normally run — you start leaning forward.” Note that the shots moved up even higher, from arm to head, possibly because a shot and increasingly frenzied Brown might have dropped his head even lower into more of a bull-rush posture.

Then there was the final shot, which hit Brown in the forehead or middle of the head and is “exactly what you would expect,” said Michael Wilson. In other words, after having been shot around the eye, it makes sense that Brown would have started falling forward in the direction he was running, bringing the upper part of his head into the line of fire.

Michael Wilson’s point is that all the shot-pattern evidence is consistent with the police’s story, with an injured but good marksman firing in self-defense at a charging and aggressive target. Note also that it only takes a couple of seconds to fire six shots with a semi-automatic handgun. It all happened very, very quickly.

The Brown family’s private autopsy, Michael Wilson concludes, “actually works to Officer Wilson’s advantage. It might be the final piece of evidence he needs to show that he’s vindicated, to show that his story is true, and he should not be charged with anything.”
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Verger said:
Correct me if I am wrong. But I see a lot of "This is the Ferguson PD's doing!" with regards to the overall police tactics of late.

I thought it was the case that the department was relieved of their duties and that the State Highway Patrol (of which Captain Johnson is the lead) is in complete control and command of the on-site police tactics and deployment? I mean, there are thousands of cops out there.
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Yup. People keep blaming Ferguson PD because they did it first and it's happening in Ferguson Missouri. But yes, all of this has happened and escalated under control of Captain Johnson of the State Troopers. Which is why he refers to 'my officers' and is also doing the press conferences to explain the actions that were ordered.
 
TheJLC said:
Riots and looting will do that. People feel unsafe when there is a risk of a riot occurring near your home or because of a riot police being too busy to respond to your 911 calls. In other words, people have to defend themselves and situations like this remind them they are alone in doing that.
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police intimidation, brutality, overuse of force and shooting tear gas at people on their own damn property will do that as well.
 
MHWilliams said:
Missouri allows open carry, but I believe city and county law may be different.

But let's be real, what do you think would happen if legal gun owners who happened to be black open carried at a protest?

Open carry is by and large, not something black people can participate in.
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I am not 100% sure but I don't think open carry is allowed in ferguson.
 
captive said:
police intimidation, brutality, overuse of force and shooting tear gas at people on their own damn property will do that as well.
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Oh absolutely, but it's unlikely people are buying guns to fight a police force armed to the teeth. Especially when they are buying pistols and shotguns.

People seeing SWAT vehicles and SWAT on the streets with AR-15s aren't going to go. "I need a gun to fight SWAT when they enter my property!" Otherwise they would be buying RPGs or ARs themselves.
 
Fiction said:
It's really painting this picture of intimidation, honestly. Like their plan is keep being assholes hard enough and people will just give up and shut their mouths from sheer exhaustion.
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These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
 
Christine said:
These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
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Um, what? If these protests are suppressed THEN America, or at least a significant portion of it loses.
 
Christine said:
These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
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...is this a serious post?
 
Christine said:
These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
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...what?
 
Christine said:
These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
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You are talking about a country that was literally founded on civil unrest and rebellion.
 
Christine said:
These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
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Very funny benjipwns.
 
Christine said:
These protesters don't know that the shooting wasn't justified. Their acts of protest are therefore unfounded and illegitimate. Even if they aren't looting and vandalizing themselves, they're creating the environment that's allowing the disruption and crime to take place. We need to send a clear message that these disruptions of civil order will not be permitted.

If the protests aren't suppressed, America loses.
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Has to be sarcasm...right?
 
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