Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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Gosh I've been out for a long time it seems (all these pages since I last checked in).

Anything new? Preferably good news...
 
minx88 said:
Explain to me how two officers could safely take down a crazed guy with a knife.
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There is no other way than shooting him. In every other country in the world without armed police the officers would have just politely asked the guy to surrender as he stabbed them to death.
 
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Some dickhead shared this on FB page.

Instantly deleted and unfriended.

Holy fucking shit
 
animlboogy said:
Can anybody point me to anything resembling legitimate information on this fractured eye (most likely) BS? I'm talking with someone who is convinced it is 100% true.
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NY Post reported they had a credible source very close to the officer that made these claims, and FoxNews picked it up and ran with it. He also went on to say he spent the whole night in the hospital. Both copies of it were heavily pro-Law Enforcement, and included the timeless phrase "feared for his/her life", which used by police officers so they can claim protection under the law which states they can only use lethal force when they fear they are at risk of death or greivous bodily harm.

If any of it's true (which I severely doubt), the entire protest could have been avoided had the FPD just pointed that out in the first place. If it were true and FPD just didn't report it, I wouldn't be surprised since they have managed to suck at

animlboogy said:
"Outgunned".

Hasn't that happened like... Twice in US police history? I'll try to dig up the article I read on it a few years back... They really drummed up the use of that phrase to justify their transformation into the force they are today.
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The only times I can think of are the Prohibition-era Gangs which had the first automatic weapons which were eventually routed out thanks to RICO and undercover work by police all around the country, and the North Hollywood Shootout. The NHS was the driving force behind getting police departments high powered assault rifles and body armor. It was also an incredibly niche situation, and I think people overreacted to it.
 
I wish people would realize that things dont have to be like this. Cops dont need to shoot citizens to take care of situations. If you just looked outside of the US you would see tons of examples how police dont have to use lethal force when dealing with the mentally unstable or even lethal situations.

Things dont have to be like this. There are solutions. So please dont condone the needles killing of people.
 
painey said:
There is no other way than shooting him. In every other country in the world without armed police the officers would have just politely asked the guy to surrender as he stabbed them to death.
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A man with a knife could destroy this entire city if we don't do something.
 
All active on-duty police should have body cameras, period. It'd reduce and clear up so much shit. There's no good excuse against it. It's 2014, they weigh next to nothing and many cops already have them, needs to be made mandatory throughout the country.

thepotatoman said:
So, someone did film the shooting of Kajieme Powell (not graphic but is still a video of a man dieing, so be warned about that). That's the guy with the knife yelling "shoot me" killed yesterday.

It doesn't really line up with the police chief saying he "pulled out a knife and held it in an "overhand" position, above his shoulder", when the video shows his arms were completely at his side the entire time. They also said they opened fire when he was within 4 feet, when it was clearly more like 4 yards.

A lot of the media also used the word "charged" which also clearly isn't true, as it was a very slow walk, but I don't think that wording originated from the police.
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It's been awhile since I refreshed and saw this but I've been sitting here writing about it elsewhere. WTF? I wonder how the PD is going to spin it when the cop's story as told through the police chief is clearly contradicted.




neurosisxeno said:
The only times I can think of are the Prohibition-era Gangs which had the first automatic weapons which were eventually routed out thanks to RICO and undercover work by police all around the country, and the North Hollywood Shootout. The NHS was the driving force behind getting police departments high powered assault rifles and body armor. It was also an incredibly niche situation, and I think people overreacted to it.
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I remember the NHS and they absolutely have.
 
Looks like things are getting a bit hectic already out there, seems like a counter protestor showed up and provoked the crowd a bit, a man tried to take her sign away and was arrested. Some other incident seems to be occuring right now on CNN, can't tell what.

Update: police whisked her away now, likely for her own safety.
 
FamousLastX said:
Looks like things are getting a bit hectic already out there, seems like a counter protestor showed up and provoked the crowd a bit, a man tried to take her sign away and was arrested. Some other incident seems to be occuring right now on CNN, can't tell what.
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Counter protestors? Oh fucking lovely
 
minx88 said:
Talk to him? I'm out. You guys are hopeless. Telling him to out the gun down is talking to him.
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Yes, we are hopeless because we believe a knife in the hand doesn't require deadly force. What's wrong with your thought process that you see only one solution?
 
minx88 said:
Talk to him? I'm out. You guys are hopeless. Telling him to out the gun down is talking to him.
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The officers should. Police are trained to protect, they are trained to help. If that man is on the edge then you talk first, you don't immediately unload your gun on him. They are not to shoot first and ask questions later.

If talking does not work then you call for back up. You can subdue the person through self defense training without causing serious injury. If that is not the option then you can taze the person and take them into custody for the protection of the citizens around him and the person them self.
 
I'm personally of the opinion that a knife-wielding individual is a life threatening situation, and while my initial thought would be to subdue them immediately in another manner, using your gun is a valid option at that time. That situation has escalated enough.

Under no circumstances should you allow the individual to get close (and by this I mean 10 yards or so), or attempt to subdue him physically while he still has the knife in hand. That equals a stabbing.

FamousLastX said:
Just a single lady it seems. Police making a small show of force now just to keep everyone moving, but we've seen how that usually ends up. Seems like it might stay calm so long as police don't get too aggressive with it.
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Ahhh, okey. I hope the tension comes down a bit tonight. No tear gassing would be nice.
 
minx88 said:
Talk to him? I'm out. You guys are hopeless. Telling him to out the gun down is talking to him.
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I can't believe what I'm reading. Holy fuck. A man just got killed because of two trigger-happy incompetent fucks who didn't know of other ways to put down a mentally unstable man than empty a whole fucking clip into him.

If they had gone on fucking youtube and searched for "non-lethal takedown", paid attention in officer training, or even read the goddamn world news on how other countries face similar situations, those two murderers would have had a damn clue that killing is the last fucking resort.

Instead they just roll up on the curb and 15 seconds later empty a clip into the poor guy.

Fuck this world if this is the only possible outcome that people can think of.
 
Nanashrew said:
The officers should. Police are trained to protect, they are trained to help. If that man is on the edge then you talk first, you don't immediately unload your gun on him. They are not to shoot first and ask questions later.

If talking does not work then you call for back up. You can subdue the person through self defense training without causing serious injury. If that is not the option then you can taze the person and take them into custody for the protection of the citizens around him and the person them self.
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You have no Fucking clue what you are talking about. Call backup? What does that do? He was already closing his distance on the officers. Backup would mean more officers pointing guns.

You don't tase someone with a knife. This was already explained. You don't let a person with a knife get close to you, period.

What self defense training safely protects you from a knife? Police officers are not Judo warriors, this isn't the movies here. I don't quite think people realize how fast you can kill someone with a knife.
 
antonz said:
Large chunk of arrests are out of towners. One guy arrested 3 times so far from Austin texas. Anarchists thrive on opportunities to push anarchy
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is it mostly just people from the state and surrounding towns? or is it literally people who drove many hours to be there?

I just don't see how that makes a difference. We're all in the United States and racism is everywhere.
 
Byakuya769 said:
He didn't have a gun, clown. Notice that several civilians were talking to him before the Judges showed up. Any of those people dead from stab wounds?
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I can't, I just can't... When did I say he had a gun? Jesus Christ where did you pull that out of your ass? And who said he hurt anyone?
 
HOMEBOY OVER HERE said:
is it mostly just people from the state and surrounding towns? or is it literally people who drove many hours to be there?

I just don't see how that makes a difference. We're all in the United States and racism is everywhere.
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Someone posted numbers earlier but like 75% of the arrests came from the local area (not necessarily Ferguson).
 
minx88 said:
You have no Fucking clue what you are talking about. Call backup? What does that do? He was already closing his distance on the officers. Backup would mean more officers pointing guns.

You don't tase someone with a knife. This was already explained. You don't let a person with a knife get close to you, period.

What self defense training safely protects you from a knife? Police officers are not Judo warriors, this isn't the movies here. I don't quite think people realize how fast you can kill someone with a knife.
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minx88 said:
Talk to him? I'm out. You guys are hopeless.
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I for one enjoyed that 56 seconds you were gone.
 
HOMEBOY OVER HERE said:
is it mostly just people from the state and surrounding towns? or is it literally people who drove many hours to be there?

I just don't see how that makes a difference. We're all in the United States and racism is everywhere.
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Well in general out of towners aren't a problem. Hell I would go join the protests if I could and I would be a law abiding citizen even with the anger I feel.

Unfortunately not everyone who shows up is doing so for noble reasons. We have white supremacists trying to stoke the flames and get a shooting war. You have general anarchists who want anarchy, Being an out of towner isn't an automatic indictment that you are trouble. The problem is most of the trouble makers just happen to be out of towners.

Which gets covered casually but they still talk about The violent protests and rioting of Ferguson etc. It gives the town a bad name
 
minx88 said:
I can't, I just can't... When did I say he had a gun? Jesus Christ where did you pull that out of your ass? And who said he hurt anyone?
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What the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously, you just said he had a gun.
Telling him to out the gun down is talking to him.
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Waiting for the inevitable 'No, I was talking about some other instance not the one currently being discussed in the thread'.
 
minx88 said:
You don't tase someone with a knife. This was already explained. You don't let a person with a knife get close to you, period.
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Uh...hitting someone with a taser when they have a knife isn't exactly a big no-no. In fact, that was probably the correct maneuver.
 
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