Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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The dissenting "eyewitness accounts" of what happened between Wilson and Brown are fucking hilarious. Superpunches through car windows, running at blazing speeds, getting beaten within an inch of their lives yet still able to hit 6 bullets on target and THEN walk away from the scene without reporting the incident...

Hold on...I'm getting exclusive footage of the altercation courtesy of Fox News!

http://youtu.be/Ets2KtNYiis
 
The Technomancer said:
Yeah this is just going to peter out and everyones going to forget about the protests :/
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Alternatively;
less innocent people get tear gassed/have guns pointed at them, tensions drop a bit, they arrest more instigators, etc.

Grand jury has started. At least that's progress, no matter how small
 
dan2026 said:
What is it about America policemen being pathological liars?
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They have incentives to lie, and weak institutional controls to prevent it from happening. The phenomenon of "ttestilying" has been known for decades, and was referred to as institutionalized over two decades ago.

That may sound harsh, but numerous law enforcement officials have put the matter more bluntly. Peter Keane, a former San Francisco Police commissioner, wrote an article in The San Francisco Chronicle decrying a police culture that treats lying as the norm: “Police officer perjury in court to justify illegal dope searches is commonplace. One of the dirty little not-so-secret secrets of the criminal justice system is undercover narcotics officers intentionally lying under oath. It is a perversion of the American justice system that strikes directly at the rule of law. Yet it is the routine way of doing business in courtrooms everywhere in America.”

The New York City Police Department is not exempt from this critique. In 2011, hundreds of drug cases were dismissed after several police officers were accused of mishandling evidence. That year, Justice Gustin L. Reichbach of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn condemned a widespread culture of lying and corruption in the department’s drug enforcement units. “I thought I was not naïve,” he said when announcing a guilty verdict involving a police detective who had planted crack cocaine on a pair of suspects. “But even this court was shocked, not only by the seeming pervasive scope of misconduct but even more distressingly by the seeming casualness by which such conduct is employed.”

Remarkably, New York City officers have been found to engage in patterns of deceit in cases involving charges as minor as trespass. In September it was reported that the Bronx district attorney’s office was so alarmed by police lying that it decided to stop prosecuting people who were stopped and arrested for trespassing at public housing projects, unless prosecutors first interviewed the arresting officer to ensure the arrest was actually warranted. Jeannette Rucker, the chief of arraignments for the Bronx district attorney, explained in a letter that it had become apparent that the police were arresting people even when there was convincing evidence that they were innocent. To justify the arrests, Ms. Rucker claimed, police officers provided false written statements, and in depositions, the arresting officers gave false testimony.

Mr. Keane, in his Chronicle article, offered two major reasons the police lie so much. First, because they can. Police officers “know that in a swearing match between a drug defendant and a police officer, the judge always rules in favor of the officer.” At worst, the case will be dismissed, but the officer is free to continue business as usual. Second, criminal defendants are typically poor and uneducated, often belong to a racial minority, and often have a criminal record. “Police know that no one cares about these people,” Mr. Keane explained.
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That's from the 2013 article, by the way.
 
CNN is about to show the video of yesterday's incident and discuss it for those interested.

Definitely seem to be less protesters tonight, weather is terrible there which may be part of the reason why.
 
EatinOlives said:
The dissenting "eyewitness accounts" of what happened between Wilson and Brown are fucking hilarious. Superpunches through car windows, running at blazing speeds, getting beaten within an inch of their lives yet still able to hit 6 bullets on target and THEN walk away from the scene without reporting the incident...

Hold on...I'm getting exclusive footage of the altercation courtesy of Fox News!

http://youtu.be/Ets2KtNYiis
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What pisses me off is that all of that has come from anonymous sources yet people are acting like it's more credible than the other accounts.
 
antonz said:
Well in general out of towners aren't a problem. Hell I would go join the protests if I could and I would be a law abiding citizen even with the anger I feel.

Unfortunately not everyone who shows up is doing so for noble reasons. We have white supremacists trying to stoke the flames and get a shooting war. You have general anarchists who want anarchy, Being an out of towner isn't an automatic indictment that you are trouble. The problem is most of the trouble makers just happen to be out of towners.

Which gets covered casually but they still talk about The violent protests and rioting of Ferguson etc. It gives the town a bad name
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I agree with what you're saying.




what is this video about on cnn?
 
BronsonLee said:
Alternatively;
less innocent people get tear gassed/have guns pointed at them, tensions drop a bit, they arrest more instigators, etc.

Grand jury has started. At least that's progress, no matter how small
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I don't think people are going to be so quick to forget this and it may lead into a wider showing of resentment and frustration for institutional racism and police brutality.

Why Ferguson? Why did it take THIS SPECIFIC unarmed black kid getting shot by police to spark a two week long siege of an entire townspeople? The answer is that every community effected by this systemic weight holding them down is potentially Ferguson.
 
minx88 said:
I can't, I just can't... When did I say he had a gun? Jesus Christ where did you pull that out of your ass? And who said he hurt anyone?
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well your clearly implied he was somehow going to hurt the officers even though he was calmly talking to the people on the street prior to cops rolling up. your being so irrational in this discussion acting as if lethal force is the only way. you had TWO officers and people actively watching the scene unfold. i highly doubt the man would've been able to stab both officers in any meaningful way, if at all. i hope your not a cop if you honestly believe everytime you think you have a threat you shoot first. i sure as hell wouldnt want your type in my community.
 
Air Zombie Meat said:
What pisses me off is that all of that has come from anonymous sources yet people are acting like it's more credible than the other accounts.
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Yep, these ridiculous stories are somehow more believable than people PROVEN to have been livetweeting the entire thing.

Confirmation bias in full effect.
 
marrec said:
I don't think people are going to be so quick to forget this and it may lead into a wider showing of resentment and frustration for institutional racism and police brutality.

Why Ferguson? Why did it take THIS SPECIFIC unarmed black kid getting shot by police to spark a two week long siege of an entire townspeople? The answer is that every community effected by this systemic weight holding them down is potentially Ferguson.
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This is the vibe I get too. This has been a very long and drawn out affair, and it doesn't benefit the police at all. Couple that with the media putting on their big boy pants and not hiding from a story for once....and here we are.

I think people are downplaying how important this period of time will be in the future.
 
Yeah, I defended Saginaw cops for opening fire on Milton Hall a couple years ago but even still I would admit they could've handled it better.

Again some of the fine brilliance from my localish news Facebook comments.
Blacks act on anything they can if it allows the to loot so.....let's put work boot stores around black communities so nothing gets stolen. Then they will come to the well armed white areas and get a lesson taught yay!! We all win.
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https://www.facebook.com/WNEMTV5/posts/10152198364565957

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I really, really need to stop reading FB comments and probably remove my "like" of the page for a while...
 
I don't see how it would be considered illegal if you're a black man in america and you shoot a police officer. You're just defending yourself going along with current logic.
 
Strong article by Evan Narcisse, dude who writes for Kotaki:

But, existentially, I've never felt more in danger. I wonder at the world into which I've brought my daughter. One where black bodies still get used as props for the lies America keeps telling itself. I've watched terrible people try to attach awful pseudo-narratives to Mike Brown in the aftermath of his death. "He deserved to die because he shoplifted." "Well, there was marijuana in his system so, of course, he was a thug whose life meant nothing." There's nothing so galling as the contortion and erasure that happens to the lives of young black men and women who die violently at the hands of white people. A physical death isn't enough and never has been. They must kill his character, his reputation, his spirit, all of him.
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I did some political protesting as a younger person. Marched, yelled, carried signs. I want to raise the kind of kid who does the same thing when fucked-up racist shit happens in her life. Because it will. But then I see the faces of other children blasted with tear gas during a peaceful protest. Do I want that for her future? Will it be worth it for her to sacrifice her safety for something so Quixotic as the dream that America might one day truly reckon with its racism?

I don't have answer for that. I know that quiet acceptance of terrible systems doesn't make anyone's life better. But I also know it'd be stupid to think that things will change in my lifetime. I'm at the end of hope. Hundreds of years of denial have brought us to this place. It will certainly continue through my daughter's lifetime. I've dreaded having to tell her, after some future-Ferguson happens, that This Is the Way Things Are. Having to also admit that This Is the Way Things Will Always Be feels like too much to bear. It also feels inevitable.
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http://tmi.kotaku.com/all-this-racism-is-exhausting-1624560251/all
 
BronsonLee said:
This is the vibe I get too. This has been a very long and drawn out affair, and it doesn't benefit the police at all. Couple that with the media putting on their big boy pants and not hiding from a story for once....and here we are.

I think people are downplaying how important this period of time will be in the future.
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I think people are right to be cautious. This isn't the first time a community has come together to mourn their youth. Trayvon Martin taught us a lot about how we are going to see these kind of cases brought to trial and portrayed in the Web 2.0 era. Before Trayvon there were hundreds of individual tragedies that wouldn't even be talked about.

So ya, people are expecting the worst and they have every reason to.

But I'm feeling a rumble.
 
minx88 said:
What self defense training safely protects you from a knife? Police officers are not Judo warriors, this isn't the movies here. I don't quite think people realize how fast you can kill someone with a knife.
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Uh, disarming an attacker with a knife is one of the first moves they drill into you in any self defence class, and all Police officers are trained in hand to hand self defence (not sure exactly what style, but it's pretty damn effective). The tasers police officers are armed with are effective from several feet and will stop almost anyone dead in their tracks. You're making excuses and sensationalizing.
 
Man I wish the ignore feature also somehow ignored posts quoting people. It'd be nice to never see that minx character post again :/.
 
Cloudy said:
He was obviously mentally ill. Didn't deserve to be gunned down like an animal though. Would those cops have shot a white person or even a black woman that fast? I doubt it.

At least try to fucking back off and give him time. It's a knife not a gun. Shit....
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It's easy to say what cops should do when you look at them as less than human.

Imagine yourself as the cop. It's not so easy if you're the one who is dealing with someone coming at you with a knife who is clearly in a wrong state of mind.

This idea that you should just try to deescalate the situation by talking them down seems so easy from a far.. but it's not so easy when you're the one putting your life on the line.

That was a clear case of Suicide by Police. Sad to watch still, as the guy was obviously mentally ill, but it's pretty clear the guy was potentially very dangerous.


Byakuya769 said:
Fuck off.
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Why is this being allowed constantly in this thread. I know emotions are high, but come on. That's no way to get your point across on GAF, and you know it.
 
block tower said:
do cops account of that incident form yesterday line up with what the video shows?
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Couple of inconsistancies off the top of my head are how far away the victim was and the claim was made that he was headed towards the officers using an overhanded grip up near his head, which as is seen in the video is false as his hands and arms are at his sides.
 
marrec said:
I think people are right to be cautious. This isn't the first time a community has come together to mourn their youth. Trayvon Martin taught us a lot about how we are going to see these kind of cases brought to trial and portrayed in the Web 2.0 era. Before Trayvon there were hundreds of individual tragedies that wouldn't even be talked about.

So ya, people are expecting the worst and they have every reason to.

But I'm feeling a rumble.
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I think so too. Talking with my friends about it, we're really in a revolution, information wise.

Social media and such allows for us to get information far quicker than we could've a few years/decades ago. However, it also means that if you get something wrong (Anonymous), your consequences are far more immediate and damaging. But I think everyone saying this is just going to be a blip on the history of the United States are going to be wrong.

neurosisxeno said:
Uh, disarming an attacker with a knife is one of the first moves they drill into you in any self defence class, and all Police officers are trained in hand to hand self defence (not sure exactly what style, but it's pretty damn effective). The tasers police officers are armed with are effective from several feet and will stop almost anyone dead in their tracks. You're making excuses and sensationalizing.
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Under no circumstances should they straight up walk to the person and attempt to disarm them physically. That is an absolutely nonsensical thing to recommend.
 
The video looks like the man was trying to walk around the car, to get away, but yeah does look like he has a knife, but shot 9 times? Jesus, could have just used a stun gun or something.
 
NervousXtian said:
It's easy to say what cops should do when you look at them as less than human.

Imagine yourself as the cop. It's not so easy if you're the one who is dealing with someone coming at you with a knife who is clearly in a wrong state of mind.

This idea that you should just try to deescalate the situation by talking them down seems so easy from a far.. but it's not so easy when you're the one putting your life on the line.

That was a clear case of Suicide by Police. Sad to watch still, as the guy was obviously mentally ill, but it's pretty clear the guy was potentially very dangerous.
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They are trained professional law enforcement, it is not the same thing. One doesn't need to put oneself in a police officer's shoes because one isn't trained in self-defense the way police officers are. Your comparison does not make any sense.

I do agree with your other point about telling people to fuck off though, even if that clown is clowning around like a clown! :)
 
NervousXtian said:
It's easy to say what cops should do when you look at them as less than human.

Imagine yourself as the cop. It's not so easy if you're the one who is dealing with someone coming at you with a knife who is clearly in a wrong state of mind.

This idea that you should just try to deescalate the situation by talking them down seems so easy from a far.. but it's not so easy when you're the one putting your life on the line.

That was a clear case of Suicide by Police. Sad to watch still, as the guy was obviously mentally ill, but it's pretty clear the guy was potentially very dangerous.




Why is this being allowed constantly in this thread. I know emotions are high, but come on. That's no way to get your point across on GAF, and you know it.
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When someone treats a discussion on tactics on how to prevent a death and falsified police reports with "lol, I'm out... You guys are soooo hopeless." They should fuck off, especially when misstating things and then getting offended when getting called on it.

I can tolerate your lame suggestion that we dehumanize cops instead of the people being killed by them, without telling you to fuck off. At least that's not suggesting that we're all hopeless idiots.
 
enzo_gt said:
Why not?
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Because that's not a proper use of the use of force protocol. A taser could easily not attach both probes to the skin on a moving target. Ever shot a taser? It's not easy to line up the probes on a moving target. Deadly force is met with deadly force. I know most people don't agree, but 100 percent this shooting will be justified. No doubt about it.
 
...yea.

So they murdered the crazy deadly donut stealing madman with about 10 shots. He wasn't even running at him. He was walking.
 
minx88 said:
Because that's not a proper use of the use of force protocol. A taser could easily not attach both probes to the skin on a moving target. Ever shot a taser? It's not easy to line up the probes on a moving target. Deadly force is met with deadly force. I know most people don't agree, but 100 percent this shooting will be justified. No doubt about it.
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Regardless of whether or not it is justified according to police protocol, the fact still stands that there were ways to handle the situation that did not require a firearm. Plain and simple.
 
NervousXtian said:
It's easy to say what cops should do when you look at them as less than human.

Imagine yourself as the cop. It's not so easy if you're the one who is dealing with someone coming at you with a knife who is clearly in a wrong state of mind.

This idea that you should just try to deescalate the situation by talking them down seems so easy from a far.. but it's not so easy when you're the one putting your life on the line.

That was a clear case of Suicide by Police. Sad to watch still, as the guy was obviously mentally ill, but it's pretty clear the guy was potentially very dangerous.
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Yet other police forces around the world know how to defuse a situation without emptying a clip into a mentally unstabled person except for US cops apparently.

Why are people so quick to let off cops so easy?
 
How many instances of men or women brandishing knives during confrontations with police have been recorded in various countries? It may very well be that the US has many more of these instances, and even if most of them do not end in a dead suspect the ones that do get attention.

Just as an example, a quick search on google came up with these instances of people with knives threatening police and being arrested:

http://patch.com/new-york/plainview...s-police-threatens-mall-employee#.U_VRLGOmXEU

http://www.courierpostonline.com/st...threatens-female-victim-knife-point/13903751/

http://www.businessinsider.com/man-arrested-at-gma-threatening-to-kill-michael-strahan-2014-7

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/man-threatens-officers-with-steak-knife-20140619

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general...ngston-man-menaced-officers-female-with-knife

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...-to-kill-himself-others-during-standoff.html/

http://www.kxxv.com/story/25320762/...r-assault-and-threatening-officers-with-knife

Again, this is pretty much from the first page of google results, and all but one or two seem to be from the past two months. Is it not possible that the vast majority of these situations end with no one dead, but the US has so many of them that there are inevitably some that end in someone dying? And perhaps these instances are much less prevalent in other places, meaning they have a much lower chance of involving a death?
 
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