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[Antiwhippy]

On one hand you've got an unknown number of people with zero motives exposing a ludicrous amount of sensitive info just for shits.

On the other hand you have an unstable individual who has shown highly erratic behavior in the past staging a huge clusterfuck after one of his colleagues was maliciously attacked by the internet with zero cause.

They both seem equally fucked but sadly plausible in this day in age. And don't get me wrong, I am not taking one side or the other but it's a mistake to discount the possibility of either.

I don't see how anyone can put up an argument that it was phil unless you're saying he wants to actively ruin his life over dumb internet drama, and while phil has done some crazy things they were nowhere near this crazy.

Compared to people who are probably safe if they can get away cleanly without leaving a trace.

I'm going to go ahead and say that one is far, far more plausible than the other.

 

[dark_inferno]

Oh jesus.

Edit: He tweeted something afterwards. I couldnt get a picture but it was : "You all should be ashamed."

 

[Karkador]

I agree that murder is an over reaction and is something that no one should ever do no matter what.

However...

Cheating on someone with 5 guys or even 1 guy is way worse than the person being cheated on exposing them. Fuck cheaters, they are dishonest and horrible people.

There's practically no good reason for a grown person to "expose" someone for cheating in a relationship. No, not even some crazy CDC nightmare "they're gonna give you STDs!" plot

 

[mgs2master2]

private tweet

PHIL FISH ‏@PHIL_FISH Protected Tweets 1h

i would like to announce that POLYTRON and the FEZ IP are now for sale. no reasonable offer will be turned down. i am done. i want out.
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[Mr. Protagonist]

there were multiple people quoting it and it was faster and moderating this thread to make sure that sensitive shit doesn't get posted is rather attention consuming

Never realized I was more than one person, but you have your reasons

 

[thekiddfran]

I am looking at /v/ now. How the fuck do I navigate this disgusting website?

It has to be one of the worst, most non user friendly forums I have ever seen

 

[chubigans]

Oh jesus.

Honest question: I thought he split from polytron a while ago?

 

[Tapejara]

Phil's Twitter is gone now.

https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH

 

[RustySpoon]

And he's gone. Hope he doesn't do anything rash this evening.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Wow, so much leaked. What kind of repercussions could Fish face from Sony, MS, and Valve?

None, really. They can't sue him for being hacked afaik, nor would they cause there is nothing to gain. But I also don't know which data actually leaked

 

[freddy]

Lots of shit being censored in this thread. What the fuck is going on?

 

[Dragonborn]

There's practically no good reason for a grown person to "expose" someone for cheating in a relationship. No, not even some crazy CDC nightmare "they're gonna give you STDs!" plot

It's his own personal life if he wants to make it public I don't see the issue. The fact that that she's a cheater gives me a very low opinion of her but that's entirely besides the fact and certainly not grounds for the way this whole thing has escalated

 

[Sub_Level]

They know enough about /v/ to troll them with /V/. You can't just know that little tidbit from a few days of lurking there. That's a vee culture idiosyncrasy if there ever was one. So the culprit(s) is at least in some capacity from /v/.

But again, /v/ not being a hivemind works both ways. This is not a collective action on the part of that board. Not much collective action happens on 4chan in general these days. These aren't the DDoS Mastercard days anymore. The population there has grown substantially. Now it's more about sub groups. Like that one doing the officer wilson fund thing. And then there are probably some people who just want to watch the world burn and go after everyone.

 

[FloweryMarston]

Oh jesus.

Edit: He tweeted something afterwards. I couldnt get a picture but it was : "You all should be ashamed."

Oh man, this is terrible... =(

 

[Frolow]

there were multiple people quoting it and it was faster and moderating this thread to make sure that sensitive shit doesn't get posted is rather attention consuming

It's 4chan, people should know what to expect when they click on a link. And it's not like they were posting NSFW materiel or anything, even that stuff is moderated on /v/

 

[dark_inferno]

Honest question: I thought he split from polytron a while ago?

I thought so too. But i thing he got some rights of Polytron. And after calling his friend from Polytron they might be both okay with selling the company.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

It's 4chan, people should know what to expect when they click on a link. And it's not like they were posting NSFW materiel or anything, even that stuff is moderated on /v/

This is not up for discussion, BroBuzz.

 

[Dr.Acula]

They wouldn't do shit. He's the victim here and suing him, if there are any grounds for it, would be bad press and would be construed as victim blaming.

Hey, if they found he improperly managed confidential data, then they can't not sue him.

 

[Zen]

Okay, your first post is just "she posted pics of harassment that were forwarded to her but then talked about a raid which means she blamed all of the users on this one site," which doesn't make any sense at all because she never did that.

Of course she is not literally blaming every single person on Wizard chan, she is blaming a threshold majority by which she can refer to them collectively as acting out as a general representation of "Wizard chan" and it's intent, which is insane especially because the screenshots she linked in no way indicate a plan to actively harass her.

If you go through the tweets, she directly attribute the 'raid' to Wizard chan.

"Shoutout to the person who warned me about Wizard Chan going after me because otherwise i would have been more freaked out by the phone calls" - Dec 14th

She first mentions 'The Raid' on Dec 12th

And like I said, contrary to your post, none of the posts she linked showed that Wizard chan was "considering going after her".

So, again you are wrong that Wizard chan was discussing harassing her and you are wrong to say that she was blaming all the people on the site as a defense of her blaming the effective active majority.

Your second point is that Zoe Quinn ruined a game jam by criticizing on Twitter (regardless of whether you disagree with her stance), as even your screencap does not elaborate on what she did outside of vague accusations that make no sense for Zoe to do and I have no idea how she would have the power to do these things. Also, when someone contacted her about it recently, she just responded with "I'm standing by my criticism of their trans policy" which strongly indicates that she has no idea about any "shutting down" or "ruining." If journalists didn't cover that project, that's not Zoe's fault.

Or she does not want to talk about them. Again you did not answer my question. Why would they lie? Most specifically in a way that would be so easy to disprove, and if they were lying why would she not set the record straight. Are you really entertaining the notion that she would not have been made aware of the allegations when it was being linked on other sites and through reddit. Besides he is no explicitly alleging that she personally got them doxxed and banned from twitter, but starting the twitter storm would be what led to these events regardless of her personal actions in the matter.

And with that, your defense of insane conspiracy theories is over. This topic is done.

No. You are actively allowing the "media cabal conspiracy" allegations to color your perception. I don't believe in it because it is stupid, but that is beside the point.

 

[Black Nectar]

And it's also kind of proving the point that I was alluding to: at it's core a large part of this entire issue has nothing to do with gaming at all.

It's why some jackass was in here alluding that she could sleep with phil to pay for the fez ip. It's why the defaced polytron site warned people against standing up against misogyny. it's why the infidelity issue keeps cropping up again and again even though this is all supposedly about the games industry.

I agree it has nothing to do with gaming because no "reviews" happened because of the cheating. Who knows why she cheated.

The hacking should of never happened.

The cheating is still a horrible thing done by horrible people. Is it my business? Well yeah because I think all of the hundreds of millions of people over the last 100,000 years who have ever cheated is my business because I want to know who to avoid. Fuck them.

Should this person have been specifically pointed out? FUCK NO, just label her a cheater and a horrible human being and move on. None of this should be thread worthy.

 

[malfcn]

I can't follow this any longer, have work in a few hours and must sleep.

Hope Phil is okay.

 

[Nephrahim]

I don't know the official rules of Neogaf, but considering the sick shit on 4chan I assume you can remove any link to it on the grounds of there being all sorts of disgusting stuff there even on the best day.

 

[Antiwhippy]

It's his own personal life if he wants to make it public I don't see the issue. The fact that that she's a cheater gives me a very low opinion of her but that's entirely besides the fact and certainly not grounds for the way this whole thing has escalated

Which is based on a bunch of he-said-she-said and unless he can provide proof, then no, don't go smearing people through the mud without anything to back it up.

 

[iNvid02]

they're going to manage to pin it on that quinn woman somehow, you just know it

 

[Dragonborn]

Which is based on a bunch of he-said-she-said and unless he can provide proof, then no, don't go smearing people through the mud without anything to back it up.

So she didn't cheat on him?

 

[dark_inferno]

I can't follow this any longer, have work in a few hours and must sleep.

Hope Phil is okay.

He isnt... and he wont anymore.

 

[Mr. Desu]

It's more like if multiple people's identities have been stolen, and every single time right before and after the theft occurs, out of a crowd of a hundred men in masks, there are a dozen screams at that person about how that person should be destroyed and they probably did it themselves to get attention, and every single time they act offended that anybody would think it was a person from their crowd that did it.

I was referring to /v/ as a whole, as in that being one person in the scenario I provided. We've upgraded now to the group scenario which, I'll side with you here, is more accurate. However now we've brought in another variable, the fact that the crowd is blaming the victim for fraud.

Spoiler

Which could be the case here.

All in all, we don't know who actually did it, people are upset for being blamed, people will get in trouble and at some point we'll know what actually happened and who was behind it.

 

[Protome]

I agree that murder is an over reaction and is something that no one should ever do no matter what.

However...

Cheating on someone with 5 guys or even 1 guy is way worse than the person being cheated on exposing them. Fuck cheaters, they are dishonest and horrible people.

I don't agree with you in general but I especially don't agree with you in relation to the Zoe Quinn scenario. The difference being the ex knew that Quinn gets harassed and abused non stop on the internet as is and definitely knew that exposing parts of her private life (especially by trying to loosely tie it to the games industry) would make that spark up again.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

I am looking at /v/ now. How the fuck do I navigate this disgusting website?

It has to be one of the worst, most non user friendly forums I have ever seen

Probably because it's an imageboard not a forum.

I say this with no malice but do you love reddits layout? Because I can't stand it. It's just funny how people differ.

 

[GavinGT]

Which is based on a bunch of he-said-she-said and unless he can provide proof, then no, don't go smearing people through the mud without anything to back it up.

You think he faked those ridiculously long print-screened Facebook chats?

 

[Antiwhippy]

So she didn't cheat on him?

Nothing that can be proven, and all the allegations that she did it for positive press turned out to be bullshit so...

You tell me.

 

[Frolow]

I don't know the official rules of Neogaf, but considering the sick shit on 4chan I assume you can remove any link to it on the grounds of there being all sorts of disgusting stuff there even on the best day.

4chan has safe for work boards and not safe for work boards. /v/ is a SFW board and offending content is moderated.

 

[Cookie Dough]

So regardless of which side you come down on with this insanity, be it on the side of minding you own business and not accepting disproved accusations, or on the side of behaving like a child over imagined misdeeds, I think it's fair to say the wider gaming community is poorer for all of this. It's not Zoe's fault, or anyone in the industry itself, but a section of the gaming community yet again has demonstrated how vile some of us can be.

We all end up looking pathetic.

 

[Karkador]

The cheating is still a horrible thing done by horrible people. Is it my business? Well yeah because I think all of the hundreds of millions of people over the last 100,000 years who have ever cheated is my business because I want to know who to avoid. Fuck them.

Well, most of them are dead

 

[Absoludacrous]

Hey, if they found he improperly managed confidential data, then they can't not sue him.

You're insane if you think a video game company is going to sue a prolific indie developer over hacked data.

 

[Gattsu25]

And he's gone. Hope he doesn't do anything rash this evening.

Same

 

[Black Nectar]

I don't agree with you in general but I especially don't agree with you in relation to the Zoe Quinn scenario. The difference being the ex knew that Quinn gets harassed and abused non stop on the internet as is and definitely knew that exposing parts of her private life (especially by trying to loosely tie it to the games industry) would make that spark up again.

No one should be harassed or abused for no good reason.

Everyone should be harassed for being a cheater.

edit: okay, harassed might be too strong of a word. But they should sill be inactively considered a horrible human being.

 

[Sayad]

And i agree with Ben Kuchera on this one.

This is a nice representation of the the level of madness going on right.

 

[Dragonborn]

Nothing that can be proven, and all the allegations that she did it for positive press turned out to be bullshit so...

You tell me.

Weren't the allegations just people connecting the dots and baselessly jumping to conclusions? I don't see how that being a dumb overreaction discredits the cheating part. I was under the impression that he provided proof

 

[Remark]

private tweet

His account is closed now. No way for anyone to see it unless someone screenshotted it before he closed it down.

 

[ZServ]

So regardless of which side you come down on with this insanity, be it on the side of minding you own business and not accepting disproved accusations, or on the side of behaving like a child over imagined misdeeds, I think it's fair to say the wider gaming community is poorer for all of this. It's not Zoe's fault, or anyone in the industry itself, but a section of the gaming community yet again has demonstrated how vile some of us can be.

We all end up looking pathetic.

You could say this about literally any group of people. This isn't exclusive to the gaming industry.

Look at politics. Nuff said. Look at people trying to ruin Bryan Singer's life. Or Michael Jackson. Kobe Bryant. Ben Roethlisberger.

This isn't new

 

[matrixman92]

man, so many of Fish's tweets are just nuts. That burning down a building comment, wtf. Especially since so many people are on his side

 

[Goddard]

Wow, so much leaked. What kind of repercussions could Fish face from Sony, MS, and Valve?

None. I hope.

I am looking at /v/ now. How the fuck do I navigate this disgusting website?

It has to be one of the worst, most non user friendly forums I have ever seen

Of all it's flaws you pick out the layout? It's just BBS.

They know enough about /v/ to troll them with /V/. You can't just know that little tidbit from a few days of lurking there. That's a vee culture idiosyncrasy if there ever was one. So the culprit(s) is at least in some capacity from /v/.

/v/ doesn't have it's own culture. Everything unique about /v/ to other gaming sites is it's connection to 4chan. Obviously /v/ has its own culture compared to the other boards on 4chan, but nothing special is going on here. There really isn't anything that notable about someone giving /V*/ credit for this sarcastically.

Given that A: This is obviously a gaming related hack, and B: Pretty much anyone who considers themselves a hacker and is also into gaming has at one point or another been affiliated with 4chan, all it really ends up meaning in the grand scheme of things is that the hacker is also a troll. Honestly I find it to be a pretty funny troll too. 4chan always likes to think of themselves as the underbelly of the internet, the hackers, the pedos, the racists, etc, (well /b/, not 4chan in general, but it is kind of all over the place,) being given credit for something they didn't do is basically the ultimate insult.

Then again when you think about it that is the exact kind of thing someone from 4chan would try to pull off.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

It's his own personal life if he wants to make it public I don't see the issue. The fact that that she's a cheater gives me a very low opinion of her but that's entirely besides the fact and certainly not grounds for the way this whole thing has escalated

Two wrongs, etc. Cheating on him was shitty. Airing all that dirty laundry for all the world to see was also shitty. Maybe less shitty, I dunno. But assuredly shitty.

So regardless of which side you come down on with this insanity, be it on the side of minding you own business and not accepting disproved accusations, or on the side of behaving like a child over imagined misdeeds, I think it's fair to say the wider gaming community is poorer for all of this. It's not Zoe's fault, or anyone in the industry itself, but a section of the gaming community yet again has demonstrated how vile some of us can be.

We all end up looking pathetic.

Absolutely. Nobody is helped by this situation. It's supremely depressing how easily a few assholes can ruin things for everybody.

 

[Jintor]

The cheating is still a horrible thing done by horrible people. Is it my business? Well yeah because I think all of the hundreds of millions of people over the last 100,000 years who have ever cheated is my business because I want to know who to avoid. Fuck them.

what, are you planning to date all of them or something

 

[dark_inferno]

His account is closed now. No way for anyone to see it unless someone screenshotted it before he closed it down.

Somebody screenshoted it a few pages ago.
It was his tweet about selling Polytron and Fez to the first reasonable offer.

 

[thekiddfran]

Probably because it's an imageboard not a forum.

I say this with no malice but do you love reddits layout? Because I can't stand it. It's just funny how people differ.

Nope I can't stand reddit. Disgusting website deisgn.

 

[AusRoachman]

man, so many of Fish's tweets are just nuts. That burning down a building comment, wtf

I would be posting some pretty nasty shit if my entire life and been ruined.

 

[Cookie Dough]

You could say this about literally any group of people. This isn't exclusive to the gaming industry.

Look at politics. Nuff said. Look at people trying to ruin Bryan Singer's life. Or Michael Jackson. Kobe Bryant. Ben Roethlisberger.

This isn't new

Hardly new, but no less pathetic.

 

[Dr.Acula]

So she didn't cheat on him?

Maybe it was a Ross and Rachel situation.