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Polytron Hacked?
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skullmuffins
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Cloudflare doesn't host anything. It's a CDN. You don't hack into websites by breaking into someone's Cloudflare account; you go directly for the actual web server.
TheHollowNight
Member
Seeing tweets like this just breaks my heart.
Exactly. Everyone I know in the scene or everyone I follow or look up to as inspiration are now feeling like they need to step on eggshells when creating the things they love. It's totally heartbreaking. It makes me seriously question why I wanted to make games in the first place, why any of this is worth it when I see tweets like Olly's. Eugh. Can't give up though.
Beyonce, some actresses got some private pictures published publicly (sorry can't remember their names at the moment) , Ashton Kutcher, Mel Gibson. These I remember.
i hope you're not in climate science if you're hoping to avoid crazy abusive conspiracy theorists
akidnamededdy
Banned
I think so, definitely. Particularly between devs and journalists. Throwing some dedicated PR/social media people into the mix to provide a buffer between the community and the industry is a good idea too. I can't begin to count the number of times I've seen a game dev or a industry "personality" get into a childish Twitter debate and thought "You really need to hire someone to manage your social media for you."
While I can see it being scary waters to tread on when this kind of shit happens, I'd say giving up on it is what perpetuates the toxic mechanism behind the industry. Gaming is easily still within it's infancy when put alongside every other art form out there and all of us are in a way responsible for nurturing it, so it's easy to feel like you don't want anything to do with it when it poops it's pants.
I actually agree with you. I hate when guys like Kuchera and Sessler get inundated with vulgar insults because A) it's gross, and B) it means they don't have to respond to any of the valid criticism.
A lot more then them have been doxed. Sports players, Politicians, Police Chiefs, and Celebrities have all been doxed.
List of people who have been doxed(based on that website).
Michelle Obama, Kim Kardashian, Joe Biden, Robert Mueller (FBI Director), Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder (U.S. Attorney General), Charlie Beck (LAPD Chief), Mel Gibson, Ashton Kutcher, Jay Z, Beyonce, Paris Hilton,Britney Spears, Sarah Palin, Hulk Hogan, Donald Trump, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Al Gore, Kanye West, Kris Jenner, Stacia Hylton (U.S. Marshals Director), Mitt Romney, Tiger Woods ,Sandusky, Chris Christie, Bill Gates.
Doxing is a real problem.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Just going into this completely blind. Is there a roundup somewhere of what happened / sequence of events? Something to do with polytron (I thought that was a misnomer for Polygon at first lol) and Phil Fish (FEZ guy, right?).
LiveFromKyoto
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Part of the problem is that exploitative click bait sites have taken up a lot of those social justice issues and amplified them beyond any sensible debate, because of a daily need to manufacture traffic. So the response to injustice has been diluted by a lot of "What this WHITE MALE said to this BRAVE WOMAN will SHOCK and OFFEND you!" (He said he liked her shoes) and #YESALLMENARERAPISTSUNLESSYOUAGREEWITHUSANDCLICKSHAREINWHICHCASEYOU'REOKAYMAYBE. The rape culture debate in particular is one which has been warped out of all sense and proportion from its sociological/anthropological microstudy origins into a logical fallacy shoutfest.
These are not even close to being as bad as the things they decrying; please don't get me wrong on that point. But it has contributed to the notion of people who spend their online lives arguing about these things as being irrational and overbearing.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I feel like the problem of internet abuse and the destruction of privacy is a thing we're going to have to deal with as a whole in society because the situation is very, very fluid.
As much as people wanted to think that things like Twitter was merely an extension of the way people relate towards each other, patterns of communication are just different now and it's going to take us a long, long time to work out what all that means.
As much as people wanted to think that things like Twitter was merely an extension of the way people relate towards each other, patterns of communication are just different now and it's going to take us a long, long time to work out what all that means.
I firmly believe that the biggest problem, and one of the hardest changes to make, is the mentality that people on the internet are "less real". Human decency disappears when you become convinced that you aren't interacting with a person, or you just stop caring about that fact. You see it from every side and it's behavior that has been perpetuated and more or less accepted.
Yeah just getting in late as well, anyone have a summary?
The best thing is that none of it actually makes any fucking sense.
Cloudflare doesn't automatically makes something "unhackable" and the two-factor authentication only applies to the cloudflare controlpanel itself.
Unless they were planning to change the dns records or change the cache settings, then there is no point to even attempt to "break into their cloudflare accounts"
You don't actually touch anything related to cloudflare, getting the real ip to the server behind the cloudflare proxy is easy.
Only a moron would believe Phil would do this shit to himself.
Zomba13
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But I thought that only happens to video game people because the video game community is scum?
Yeah. People brought that up a lot in the thread in OT about the woman whose husband was a cyber bully telling people to kill themselves etc and being a huge asshole online. A few people even defended it with that sort of rationale, that it's more ok to be a dick online than offline because there is a disconnect or how the internet isn't real.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
This is a very valid point. There is a lot of people spewing a lot of stuff that's controversial and this kind of stuff isn't happening to them.
DrROBschiz
Member
Why aren't there "good" hackers going after the "evil" ones
Are they THAT good at covering their tracks?
Are their no internal conflicts here? I just can't see how this evil goes unchecked within the communities that support these people
I mean I know that its popular to hate on Phil Fish but jeebus man. These guys barely bat an eye at possibly ruining the lives of people regardless of who and what they are.
This isn't justice in any form man
Are they THAT good at covering their tracks?
Are their no internal conflicts here? I just can't see how this evil goes unchecked within the communities that support these people
I mean I know that its popular to hate on Phil Fish but jeebus man. These guys barely bat an eye at possibly ruining the lives of people regardless of who and what they are.
This isn't justice in any form man
Huh? I dont think anyone actually believed that doxing and being hacked was a game community, only, issue.
jim-jam bongs
Member
I get that though, the whole Upworthy fetish of feels thing is pretty annoying. What I don't understand is why people who seem to be actively angered by discussion of social justice would waste time on those kinds of sites to the point that they just seem angry all the time.
ActuallyHulk
Banned
Yeah, my own anecdotal evidence here but there is no doubt in my mind that whoever did this it is not a big 4chan conspiracy. I got banned for 2 weeks for apparently inciting a raid and dox when all I said is that if those guys cheated on their wives with Zoe then the wives deserve to know. If that got killed then there's no way a big hack plan could be organized and carried out on there.
fadetoblack
Member
Bang on (although I don't know much about the Adam Sessler hatred).
And so we end up with shit like this, which is comically misguided generalisation about an entire community of people (jeez, it's as if we shouldn't do that about ANY group of people...)
https://twitter.com/NeoGAF/status/499627267761655810
Pitch perfect response, though.
The "good" hackers get hired by companies to protect themselves from the bad ones. However most of the best hackers have been "bad" at least for a short time in their life. Unfortunately hacking gets you infamy and gives you a sense of power so there are always new hackers willing to jump in the fray.
There are. That is a professional industry.
Phil Fish is employed of Polytron. Someone hacked the server and leaked tons of private financial info on the net. The people at Polytron are right now concerned about identity theft and serious losses.
Also, some tinfoil hat crazies believe Phil Fish faked the hack and revealed the info himself, because making sense is out of style.
"Good" hackers work for organizations or firms that sign contracts with entities that they attempt to hack. There are documents covering what is in scope, the days and times that the activities will occur, and non-disclosure agreements over what they may see in their attempts. They don't just target people on the Internet as a form of vigilante justice.
that's been the craziest part about this whole thing IMO.
That "gamers" as a whole are somehow such evil people. And only gamers could be responsible for such heinous actions. When 99.99999% of "gamers" don't even know this entire stupid story exists.
The nativity by some that think that "this is the only industry that has bad apples and something like this can only happen here" is off the charts.
Stop blaming the "immature games industry" when this was likely one or a few people.
fadetoblack
Member
For context, I'd probably also add that Phil Fish was pretty fiercely defending Depression Quest developer Zoe Quinn because her ex-boyfriend posted some logs from Facebook about her cheating on him and apparently he slept with a Kotaku writer who posted an article about her once and something about french fries and hamburgers and WHAT THE FUCK AM I TYPING THIS IS LIKE HIGH SCHOOL ITS ALL HOT GARBAGE.
Zomba13
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Which was in response to someone saying it isn't limited to the games community then someone else (who is banned now) also said it happens outside games and was asked to give and example (and had one hour to do so) who then gave an example and got banned.
Obviously hacking and doxxing and all that is something that shouldn't happen no matter the community or industry and those people should be locked up or fined or their computers taken from them (whatever the punishment by law is for it).
Pointing out it happens to non-gaming related people isn't in any way condoning the people in the gaming community that do do this sort of thing.
rarely are you to see these kinds of acts organized on the front page of a public accessible image board. they are normally organized in private communication channels.
I do this stuff for me, and I know many other indies that are the same way. Thats the big secret for a lot of developers (small ones at least) - they dont make stuff for their audience, they make stuff for themselves and it just so happens that their taste is relatable.
I make stuff that I never put online, solely for my own pleasure. I enjoy programming, its like a giant puzzle for me. I actually find the process rewarding. Like a clockwork maker who takes pride in his craft.
Coolio has a line in one of his songs that I love because it encapsulates why I do this: "if hip hop didnt pay I'd rap for free."
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Oh man. This is awful. Why would anyone do this?
Also, Notch was part of this Zoe Quinn thing too so I hope he doesn't get affected.
Also, Notch was part of this Zoe Quinn thing too so I hope he doesn't get affected.
It's easier then saying the definition every single time, since it isn't simply identity theft.
It's pretty much high school-tier bullshit when you "care" about a sexually active woman's activities or really anyone's sexual activity for that matter.
you're right, but i think it also completely undermines the seriousness of it when you're using a stupid internet slang term
Zomba13
Member
Hopefully this all stops now and no one else is affected. No one should have been affected in the first place. The people that do this shit just need to grow up and stop being petty man/woman children and learn to express their viewpoints without insults or attacks (verbal or otherwise).
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I just think that the way Twitter works can breed hostility in people. If you say something the wrong person disagrees with and they point out that fact, you are going to get absolutely bombarded by hatred and vitriol.
Even if person is totally in the right to disagree with you, getting absolutely bombarded by nastiness is just likely to create bitterness and further entrench opinions. That's why there is very little "conversation" on Twitter. It's just people piling on people they disagree with and re-validating opinions you already agree with.
People like to overthink things and then they believe their outlandish explanation purely because it sounds more exciting than the real thing. It's basically how conspiracy theories come to be.
Yeah, pretty much. Humans are naturally good at imposing patterns on things, and conspiracies and evil masterminds make a powerful, straightforward narrative that's often a lot more interesting than the complex, disorganized nature of the actual events.
What does Zoe Quinn have to do with this happening to Phil Fish? Why would Notch be a possible target?
People want obvious "bad guys" and they enjoy drama, 2 things that empower perception of victim blaming. Also FUD, if you can convince yourself that the reason something bad happened to someone is that they brought it on themselves you can argue away the idea that it could happen to you. People do some pretty amazing(crazy, stupid, angry) shit to make themselves sleep better at night.
Zomba13
Member
True but there are womens magazines (terrible ones) that focus on that stuff. "Oooh Brad and Angelina" this "Is famous man celebrity cheating on famous woman celebrity?" "Girl from movie breaks up with music band man boyfriend!".
It's just that while that shit mostly stays as gossip between workmates or on whatever forum those magazines have or celeb gossip forums or whatever the people who hear about this have access to twitter or post on 4chan and are just loud, obnoxious twits that just want to be mean to a woman and her friends because they (not so secretly) hate women in positions of power (as writers, designers, developers etc).
phil defended zoe and had a couple outbursts about how terrible parts of the community are(he was/is right)
so, because he's phil fish, people went after him
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Social media means you don't have to actively visit the sites. In fact I'd wager the majority of people who argue about those articles, pro and con, never actually click through.
There are people who label anyone who doesn't condemn Zoe Quinn as "SJWs" and therefore fair game. That's at least part of the motivation for what happened to Polytron, since Phil Fish came out in her defense.
I'd argue that basic logic also dictates that the sheer number of bans that actually have occurred within the last several days is a perfect validation of the fact that people who legitimately do engage in bigotry amass themselves on the forum frequently and consistently. My argument was never meant to assert that strict moderation was useless or pointless, but I strongly doubt it establishes this place as some massively safe haven in comparison to places like /v/, particularly when you consider the fact that people engaging in this kind of behavior have a tendency to flock everywhere on the net to express an opinion. This is especially true when it comes to a forum with a rather large reputation for tolerance like NeoGAF. I'm not sure if you're trying to imply that the occurrence of these bans put a major stop to the issue or what, but I seriously don't feel like it does.
If you genuinely think that telling you to grow up is anywhere nearly as off-base or personally insulting as some random attempt to convince yourself that I have some kind of deeply emotional obsession with you, you're being hilariously dense and dramatic.
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