The_R3medy
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As far as I understand, /v/ is not taking responsibility for this, and I worry they're just being made into a scapegoat here for someone else's actions. Like 4chan can be assholes at times, but I doubt they would even go this far.
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Polytron Hacked?
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A lot of the time it isnt "4chan" anyways, it is some hacker taking advantage of the 4chan mob outrage so they can flaunt their "power".
I wouldn't even say they're being scapegoated, the references to them were blatantly wrong to the point that they were almost certainly tongue in cheek. One or more of the people responsible have some connection to /v/ and 4chan and may harbor the kind of "anti-SJW" attitudes as a lot of other people there, but that's about it.
I've seen a lot of crazy information posted about that stuff though, including that one or more of the guys were already married or in relationships at the time (don't know if true). I'm just wondering how much of all of this is real or not. I'm not giving an opinion I just would like a known fact list for some of this. If it's considered inflammatory let me know and I will edit the post if I'm not supposed to mention any of these things. I would just like to keep informed so I don't make any wrong assumptions and I couldn't find answers to some of these things anywhere.
Was that bit true about her getting some kind of charity game project for women cancelled while promoting something similar of her own ? Or the bit about using Robin Williams death to promote her game ? Or the claim of using relationships within the industry to manipulate press coverage and take down information about it ? I can't keep up with the resolutions to all the little details like the accusations of faked harassment or when people said she lied about her email being hacked etc. I don't see what her cheating on partners that were already in relationships or married has to do with games unless the bits about using those actions to influence people within the industry are true. Again if these are things that have been answered, link me please, or tell me if I need to change anything about this post that is crossing any lines.
GillianSeed79
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Ugh. Gross. The internet can really be a vile and disgusting place sometimes, especially people who take video games way too seriously sometimes. It's a wonder people go through all the trouble making games in the first place if this is what is going to happen. This is right after Fez 2 was confirmed right? At this point, I wouldn't blame him for cancelling it again, or maybe that's what these dick heads want?
Steve Youngblood
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I felt like I had a good handle on what this drama was all about as of about a day ago. But I've been pretty busy the last 24 hours and holy crap am I at a loss now.
jim-jam bongs
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It still strikes me as inexplicable given that friends and follows are voluntary; when people post racist things on Facebook, I remove them. I don't think this is anything particularly new, there have always been people who go out of their way to start a fight. I guess I just feel like the escalating reactions from people could be so easily avoided, lest we all start seeing rapists and feminist strawmen around every corner.
I guess it's like the other poster replied, the medium makes escalation so fast and easy that shit gets out of hand before anyone knows what the hell happened.
Well, I disagree with you obviously. And thanks again for being insulting while simultaneously attempting to claim you're being insulted on a deep and personal level.
It really doesn't matter, she has barely passed the no name label. She isnt getting rich off of this and the other people involved deserve even less attention. Being interested in her(assuming she did everything that was said) just gives her undeserving publicity and also empowers the idea of open diary'ing your skeletons. That said, if you are curious, I'd either google it or PM someone who seems to know about it, since I'm pretty sure talking in depth about quinn would be a derail.
Exactly. I've been browsing /v/ for the past few days and I never saw a thread about them trying to collectively hack or insight a raid against Polytron.
You and me both.
vagabondarts
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Same here.
This is how I imagine most people just walking in on this, like I did last night:
It's about the same thing it was always about
People being gigantic assholes on the internet
Pyccko
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Man, what the hell happened? Just read the whole thread, head in hands, sadness mounting. My heart goes out to Phil and Zoe (and Renaud). Nobody deserves to have their lives torn down over some internet shit. When I started following Fish's exploits back with the Japanese games episode, I just figured he was a silly fucker, but he grew on me,and to see him just totally beaten into submission like this is really making me want a ticket off this garbage heap planet. All these shitpigs desperately clutching to their notions of fakery should be ashamed.
Hope everybody gets their lives back in order, and sad as I am to see him duck out, I really hope Fish lives happier by getting away.
Hope everybody gets their lives back in order, and sad as I am to see him duck out, I really hope Fish lives happier by getting away.
This is how I imagine most people just walking in on this, like I did last night:
Basically. Is this still about some supposed damage to the integrity gaming journalism?
There is that, but there is also the human tendency to form absolute judgements of people they do not know based on the smallest of things, like out of context tweets, or clothing or facial hair.
I'm not even sure who I am, I'm not going to judge someone else as 'complete asshole' because they tweet insults after being insulted, or make lad jokes about Japanese console games.
If someone can PM me info about the questions in my post I'll happily leave it out of here unless a mod okays this. I'm not looking to change the topic, I'd just like some more information on what appears to be a part of the fuse that set this bomb in motion and I haven't heard any of those things concluded as fact or fiction yet. Mod input ?
/v/ was actually harmlessly joking about hacking after Adam Sessler sent out that tweet and picture at the bar. Reading the threads last night, you couldn't read them and think /v/ was seriously attempting to hack any one, much less Phil Fish/Polytron.
That was the supposed main argument when everything was still about Zoe, but whoever did this seems to have given up on concern trolling and gone on the offensive against some imagined feminist conspiracy.
Also true.
also a bit of self reflection about the gaming community.
mgs2master2
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That's a pretty awful lack of reading comprehension on your part, then. An "if and then" argument is just an "if and then" argument, not some direct deep personal attack on your character.
CambriaRising
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Its been a rough week for this sort of thing. As an outside party watching it unfold has been exhausting, I can only imagine what it must be like to be involved. Terrible.
This is how I imagine most people just walking in on this, like I did last night:
Pretty much my reaction, but honestly the only thing I want to know if the sale of Fez's IP is true and who is going to get it.
Yep, calling this a "false flag" is part of the "feminist/SJW/indie hipster conspiracy" narrative that a disturbing number of people are buying into.
LUFTRAUSER
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I'm catching up right now. This reddit post has been helpful: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2e9cyn/phil_fish_deletes_twitter_account_after_polytron/
despite the shit comments.
jim-jam bongs
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So I'm illiterate too now? Damn, you just won't stop until I'm bleeding out.
Likewise. I had no idea this wasn't a purely isolated thing.
I don't see why someone would think Zoe wanted to promote Depression Quest because of Robin Williams's death. First of all, it's a free game on Steam. And if you want to pay it, you can pay as much as you want. Second of all, she had already submitted the game to Valve before it all happened and it was only approved on the same day. She only decided to publish it because she thought it was important to help people with depression or that want to understand. And she was right there, because I learned a lot about it, not having depression but knowing people who have it.
i can't skimp through that... almost all the top comments are tin hat conspiracy theories.
ValeYard
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Yep, it's blown up way beyond my perspective and I don't expect there'll be any clarity soon, especially because it's a mix of professional and very private matters.
RicoTheMad
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I've been working on my game for 2 and a half+ years. I've done some conferences, talked to other devs, gotten a few game jam games (not this one, this one is my baby and hasn't been released) written up about on major game sites and gotten let's plays by youtubers (always fun to see your 100 hit a day page get 5k hits in an hour because of Markiplier).
It's a hard path to walk, specially if you are doing it like me, full time job, family, spare time dev with no funding. But at the end of the day, you're not really just making games for other people. You should be making them for yourself.
I love the stuff I work on. I'm making a game I want to play and was surprised that other people wanted it too. So it's a commercial thing now, but only because people asked for it. However even if everyone turned on me and decided they hated it, I'd still finish it and play it. Because I just want to.
So if you want to do it because you love it, do it. Keep at it and don't let the drama dissuade you. Shield yourself from it. It only involves you if yo let it. If you're doing it because you think you'll be a rockstar or make tons of money: Don't. Quit while you're ahead, it isn't worth it. You lose years of your life, mental health, money and sometimes happiness for gamedev. If you don't have something to balance the scales out for those, that's a strong enough motivator for you, just be happy doing what you do, or keep it as a hobby forever.
Gamedev is a productive hobby. It's the most fun and yet most frustrating programming I've ever done. I don't think I'll ever stop, whether people hate me or not. But it isn't for everyone, that's for sure.
Source: My game which I've been slaving away at for 2 and a half years
Yeah same, went to sleep last night and thought drama is finally over but everything just blew up while i was asleep.
Seriously. I always knew there were plenty of people who get off being as hurtful as they can out there, but I never remembered them so loud on so many 'mainstream' places.
I think of this excerpt explains a lot more than Phil Fish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w&t=12m49s
Of the information being thrown around about Zoe Quinn, some of it is likely true, while the vast majority is exaggerations and outright fabrications.
We know for sure that Zoe Quinn has an ex-boyfriend, who extremely publicly accused her of infidelity. Some of the details that came out indicate she may have had a relationship with a Kotaku writer, who has written nothing significant about her or her game. Beyond that there's really nothing to know. Everything else is just wild speculation, or private matters that we have no business butting into.
Why should it matter to you that she may have had an affair with a married man? That has no impact on us whatsoever.
The accusations of her "ruining" a charity even ultimately came down to she said something critical of an event that ultimately failed. Absolutely blown out of proportion.
She did release her game in the wake of Robin Williams death, and directly referenced it in the release announcement. It is a game about dealing with depression, and it was highly topical in the wake of a high profile suicide, and she was likely hoping to spread awareness about depression. It's hard to paint it as a way to make money off his death when her game is FREE.
The accusations of using sex to manipulate people into promoting her game are complete and utter fabrications. People took the Kotaku writer connection and just started extrapolating to infinity.
You don't have it set to Top then, the only one I saw was someone copying the info from /v/.
Small Mailman
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This is shitty and all and I do feel bad for this Phil Fish dude, even if he does appear to be a huge ass.
I can't be the only one who google mapped his address just to see what this dude's house looks like. I didn't do anymore than that, I just wanted to see if the Fez cash got him a nice house
I can't be the only one who google mapped his address just to see what this dude's house looks like. I didn't do anymore than that, I just wanted to see if the Fez cash got him a nice house
It's you who are being diverted -- everyone knows this because it's so obvious and irrelevant. No kidding the 'head moderator' of 'V' was a joke, really? Thank you Sherlock. It doesn't matter what sites the hacker visited. What difference does it make, what does it change?
What I do care about is the reaction of communities to these stories and the tenor of their conversations. I've seen the discussion. And it makes me too question why I even have hobbiest game projects.
Are you referring to 4chan or the alleged victims?
I don't see how pointing out a lack of reading comprehension for one specific incident is calling you an illiterate person in general, but good job misconstruing things I guess.
The Blackrose
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This is how I imagine most people just walking in on this, like I did last night:
A mix of that and the classic Anchorman "Well now, that escalated quickly" moment.
Glass Shark
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This has been posted several times already, and it's already been proven false. CloudFlare is not a host, they are a caching layer you put in front of your site to protect it from traffic spikes or other problems. CloudFlare's security is irrelevant in all of this if the actual host itself was compromised.
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