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Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING

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Newt said:
Felt like this season topped ATLA. Zaheer and his gang made Ozai and Azula look like pushovers.
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Not really. Azula was still largely unbeatable by any of the gaang until she started to lose her mind and slip. When she didn't have bending she could still dance around all of them and not get hit, toying with them like a cat with mice. Ozai was straight up Iron Man and only Aang could beat him, maybe Iroh but Iroh was said to be this amazing firebender that was just super duper OP.

Zaheer could have been taken out by Tenzin if the others hadn't interfered, and the rest of them were taken out by people who have lost plenty of battles previously.
 
I feel like this gang where way weaker than Aang's gang. That is sad, because except for Toph nobody in that gang had any real fighting experience.
 
NEO0MJ said:
Might want to spoiler that. But
I agree, it was pretty sad. I really liked him, seemed like a cool guy.
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Enough with the spoiler tags. The episode is out on Nick's website.

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I will say that this is hands down the best season of Korra from start to finish.
 
mugurumakensei said:
I dont know. Zaheer was holding his own against an avatar state Korra, and he was the second air bender to fly. He's pretty godly considering.
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Before the poison started kicking her ass he stood no chance. He even says "you can't fight the poison AND ME!" He's good at dodging. That's the only reason he lasted as long as he did against Tenzin.
 
No fight has surpassed Azula vs Zuko for me (at least in terms of the beauty of the animation). I think there have been more technical fights since that one. But damn, that one had a lot of emotion and was just gorgeous to look at.

I still think Korra bending in her cuffs in this finale was awesome.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
Not really. Azula was still largely unbeatable by any of the gaang until she started to lose her mind and slip. When she didn't have bending she could still dance around all of them and not get hit, toying with them like a cat with mice. Ozai was straight up Iron Man and only Aang could beat him, maybe Iroh but Iroh was said to be this amazing firebender that was just super duper OP.

Zaheer could have been taken out by Tenzin if the others hadn't interfered, and the rest of them were taken out by people who have lost plenty of battles previously.
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It's not just about raw fighting ability though. Planning and execution are a big factor.
 
heliosRAzi said:
Just like any good air bender
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Tenzin wasn't dodging much in his fight against him if I recall correctly. He was so good at air bending he was just like taking the air shot at him and disintegrating its force lol

Newt said:
It's not just about raw fighting ability though. Planning and execution are a big factor.
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Azula beat the Kyoshi Warriors, disguised herself as them with her group of three people, and planted the seeds that would eventually lead to the downfall of Ba Sing Se. Not to mention the fire nation took over the other earth bending city where Bumi ruled. Three people took down a whole city with pure calculation and manipulation, Zaheer and crew brought hostages, killed the queen and then caused a riot. Not the same as taking control, not as calculating.

The fire nation was extremely calculating and had the power, look at how they completely botched the plan of the resistance during the eclipse. Zaheer's other major plan involved capturing air benders and lying to the avatar, with the typical tape mouth removal "IT'S A TRAP!" scene. Double cross like that is by the books villainy not exactly planning and execution when the plan involved " poison the avatar and kill her when she's in the avatar state". Not to mention he entirely left to chance on a leap of faith his flying ability. His whole crew got killed and he got sorely beaten by at least two people.

He had good execution, but not Ozai and Azula levels. Sorry.
 
I think it would be cool if season 4 had
a three way civil war between the revived equalist movement, red lotus of anarchy and the airbenders/avatar of peace and balance
 
Just watched the last three episodes. So weird for a season of Korra to actually stick the landing, but that was good stuff.

I wonder when next season will pick up.
Mainly, I'm wondering if we'll pick up after Korra has healed or if we get a little time with her in the wheelchair. Most likely the former because she is the main character, but I think it would be interesting to see the usually very active and combative Korra adjust to being handicapped.

mugurumakensei said:
I dont know. Zaheer was holding his own against an avatar state Korra, and he was the second air bender to fly. He's pretty godly considering.
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Korra was poisoned and he still spent most of the fight dodging. Avatar State Korra at 100% health would have definitely bodied him.
 
heliosRAzi said:
Just like any good air bender
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Admiral Woofington said:
Azula beat the Kyoshi Warriors, disguised herself as them with her group of three people, and planted the seeds that would eventually lead to the downfall of Ba Sing Se. Not to mention the fire nation took over the other earth bending city where Bumi ruled. Three people took down a whole city with pure calculation and manipulation, Zaheer and crew brought hostages, killed the queen and then caused a riot. Not the same as taking control, not as calculating.

The fire nation was extremely calculating and had the power, look at how they completely botched the plan of the resistance during the eclipse. Zaheer's other major plan involved capturing air benders and lying to the avatar, with the typical tape mouth removal "IT'S A TRAP!" scene. Double cross like that is by the books villainy not exactly planning and execution when the plan involved " poison the avatar and kill her when she's in the avatar state". Not to mention he entirely left to chance on a leap of faith his flying ability. His whole crew got killed and he got sorely beaten by at least two people.

He had good execution, but not Ozai and Azula levels. Sorry.
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That's the thing... in the entire series no one ever actually beat Azula fair and square. Maybe you could argue her own personality flaws created a small chink in her armor, but that's it. In terms of sheer ability, no one ever really topped her.
 
I just gotta say, I'm going to miss Zaheer's crew. I can dream that there will be a one shot comic detailing their actions before they were captured.
 
Azula was always called a firebending prodigy from the get go so it is understandable that somebody as psychotic and calculating as her could hold her own against any of the gaang members 1v1. I don't think Aang ever truly fought somebody 100% serious, he was always trying to escape or save somebody else while at the same time not hurting them. That caused him a lot of issues, especially considering when people told him he had no excuse against the fire lord and he HAD to take him out. No stalling, no nothing. Azula on the other hand had nothing to lose, she could kill them for all she cared.
 
RedSwirl said:
That's the thing... in the entire series no one ever actually beat Azula fair and square. Maybe you could argue her own personality flaws created a small chink in her armor, but that's it. In terms of sheer ability, no one ever really topped her.
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Pretty certain finale Aang had reached that point even without the Avatar state, he basically straight up outclasses her and nullifies her trump card (lightning). Most of the finale Aang was trying to find ways not to kill Ozai despite being able to. Ozai is almost certainly stronger than Azula even at her peak.
 
mugurumakensei said:
I dont know. Zaheer was holding his own against an avatar state Korra, and he was the second air bender to fly.
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Well, there's a couple things to consider. Firstly, the poison, obviously.

Secondly, there seems to be two "versions" of the Avatar State, and we see this going all the way back to at least Kyoshi. The "normal" Avatar State is simply tapping into some of the power of the others, tapping a bit of Raava, and off you go. We see Aang do this multiple times, especially later in life. Kyoshi and Roku are also seen to do this, a sort of "pulse" of Avatar State and a temporary, but significant, boost in power and skill (for example, being able to actually bend multiple elements simultaneously.. the Avatar can switch at will, but we very rarely see them actually bending more than one at the same moment). The other version is the "full" Avatar State, where he/she literally becomes the living embodiment of all previous Avatars, with all of their combined knowledge, experience, abilities, and powers. Truly godlike and absolutely unstoppable. We've seen this only once, when Aang opened up on Ozai at the end of TLA (and possibly again when Korra regained her bending at the end of the first season). When Aang spoke, he spoke as Legion, the voice of all Avatars, and he had to intentionally force himself out of it at the end, as if he wasn't in full control of his own actions while it was active.

Korra has, for now anyway, lost the ability to reach the "final form" Avatar State. Whenever she does it, she's still only Korra, and has only her own skill to use. She gets more power through Raava, but she doesn't gain any additional wisdom, experience, or skill. It's not even possible for her to reach the same level that Aang had when fighting Ozai.

That's my theory anyway.

Combine that with the mercury poisoning, and yeah.. Zaheer had a much better chance than he would have otherwise. He was doing better against Korra than he was against Tenzin (Tenzin was winning that fight).
 
m_shortpants said:
Inb4 Zaheer knows how to enduce the Avatar state from studying the great airbending philosopher Guru Pathik
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I CALLED IT HAHAHAHAHA. Over a month ago too!



MidnightCowboy said:
I think we shouldn't forget that Ghazan
literally chose to kill himself instead of getting captured again.
That's hardcore.
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Yeah, definitely.

This finale was crazy.
Entire Z team besides Zaheer dead. I can't believe Mako killed Ming Hua, that was crazy. PLi's death was hardcore as well.

Great ending, that last shot was very powerful. That reddit post makes sense.

Also hearing Steve Blum again was great.
 
I actually really liked the finale. Best season of Korra thus far from start to finish.I also agree pretty heavily with that reddit post on the last page and how that relates to the final scene of season two. I'm actually hoping it picks up while Korra is still incapacitated to help drive that home to the viewer.
 
Jedi2016 said:
Korra has, for now anyway, lost the ability to reach the "final form" Avatar State. Whenever she does it, she's still only Korra, and has only her own skill to use. She gets more power through Raava, but she doesn't gain any additional wisdom, experience, or skill. It's not even possible for her to reach the same level that Aang had when fighting Ozai.

That's my theory anyway.

Combine that with the mercury poisoning, and yeah.. Zaheer had a much better chance than he would have otherwise. He was doing better against Korra than he was against Tenzin (Tenzin was winning that fight).
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Tend to agree with this. I do think Korra was a bit beyond her normal Avatar State level in this final fight, and she behaved a bit more like Aang during his fight with Ozai. It could be she does have the combined willpower and focus of the Avatar line. What is cut off is connection to their thoughts, so she doesn't have the life experiences, techniques, and inner voice (we are Legion) of Aang.
 
Yukiko said:
No fight has surpassed Azula vs Zuko for me (at least in terms of the beauty of the animation). I think there have been more technical fights since that one. But damn, that one had a lot of emotion and was just gorgeous to look at.

I still think Korra bending in her cuffs in this finale was awesome.
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Those flames. That fight between siblings was absolutely spectacular.
 
Best season of Korra yet. I don't think there was a single bad episode, and the ending was tragic.

It'll be a real shame if somehow Nick cancels at this point.
 
I think I know how Korra is going to cheer up... And other stuff.


Since she's pretty much disabled atm, she'll probably be in the spirit world a lot. There she will see Iroh or something and he'll somehow cheer her up. (Actually I don't want that to happen)

Also, he could see Zaheer in the spirit world. Maybe at one point in the season Korra will throw him into the fog of lost souls? I really want that to happen.

I just want to see her in there trying to find herself in the spirit world, at least in the first couple episodes. Maybe find a way to talk to the past avatars?
 
Completely forgot that Mako could lightningbend, and also forgot about the Avatar State.

I'd hope Bolin would shine by helping to remove the poison from Korra's body, but I admit I laughed at how he was able to shut Zaheer up.

Awesome season from start to finish and absolute best of the series!

But poor Korra.
Book 1 had her lose her bending (temporarily).
Book 2 had her lose her connection with Aang and her other predecessors.
Now Zaheer's plan, though failed, had taken a physical/mental toll on her.

Who knows how long she can recover next season.

It's just too bad the season had to finish online when it was getting good.
 
-Deimos said:
No man, he was like "Dang, forgot I could do that."
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I've constantly heard people say that Mako literally forgot he can lightning bend as an excuse as to why he hasn't been using it.... I always thought they were jokes/exaggerations, but now it seems like everyone is serious about that. Not saying that's wrong but that would be a pretty silly reason nonetheless.
 
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