They haven't exactly said yet how they will be releasing Book 4, so there's still a chance it may air on TV again.
Also direct link to the episodes on Nick Legend of Korra Episodes
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They haven't exactly said yet how they will be releasing Book 4, so there's still a chance it may air on TV again.
Also direct link to the episodes on Nick Legend of Korra Episodes
It's pretty messed up that by the end of this book not only did Zaheer win but it seems Ravaa and the Equalist movement are mostly getting what they wanted (Ravaa would still like to be free on a personal level)
It's not limited to airbenders it just happens that airbenders are the most well versed on how to do it. Don't forget Iroh had a strong connection with the spirit world before he passed away but he lacked the training to do it on command.
Now that I've seen this post I'm disappointed because it does more than explain Zaheer's ability to fly but also why all 3 books happened.
Maybe
It's not limited to airbenders it just happens that airbenders are the most well versed on how to do it. Don't forget Iroh had a strong connection with the spirit world before he passed away but he lacked the training to do it on command.
Now that I've seen this post I'm disappointed because it does more than explain Zaheer's ability to fly but also why all 3 books happened.
Maybe
they held off on this because crippled Korra learns how to fly?
Lava is hot rock.
Steam is hot water. Ice is cold water.
If a water bender can bend steam and ice, an earth bender should be able to bend lava.
That said, it probably requires the earth bender to think and act a bit like a water and fire bender. I wish they brought that up.
obijkenobi
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I feel like Korra seasons are ok to good, but just don't have enough time and/or planning to resolve cool issues. I liked the way the season ended, but I'm also wondering:
1. So wait, what's going on with the spirits in Republic City and the rest of the world? Alot of this started because of last season's decision to open the spirit portals. That decision does what to the rest of the world? It led to Korra being kicked out of Republic City after all.
2. Zaheer masters airbending in like 2 weeks? Wut?
3. So, is the White Lotus finished? They were these absolute bad asses in ATLA and got completely owned by 4 members of the Red Lotus. After which, they completely disappear.
4. Other stuff....
Again, I enjoyed the season. I like the implications for characters at the end of the finale. But I was thinking the same about the end of the last season, and some of the pay off was pretty weak or non-existant.
1. So wait, what's going on with the spirits in Republic City and the rest of the world? Alot of this started because of last season's decision to open the spirit portals. That decision does what to the rest of the world? It led to Korra being kicked out of Republic City after all.
2. Zaheer masters airbending in like 2 weeks? Wut?
3. So, is the White Lotus finished? They were these absolute bad asses in ATLA and got completely owned by 4 members of the Red Lotus. After which, they completely disappear.
4. Other stuff....
Again, I enjoyed the season. I like the implications for characters at the end of the finale. But I was thinking the same about the end of the last season, and some of the pay off was pretty weak or non-existant.
1. I imagine this will be covered in season 4.
2. Zaheer was shown to be extremely knowledgable about air nomad culture and ideology. I imagine he was pretty formidable as a non-bender too, otherwise he wouldn't be in such a prison. I dont think its a stretch to say that he was able to pick up airbender on top of his existing skill with relative ease.
3. The white-lotus not doing anything this season was a bit weird yeah. Really they should have been helping korra in season 2 and 3, for sure. That said, keep in mind that the major white lotus members from ATLA are all dead, and the structure of the organization has greatly changed to a that of a more typical army.
It's kind of sad that, for as weary as I was about Kai early on, I already kind of like him more than Mako or Bolin. His personality is just likable. I mean, at first he was a douche. But just little things they did to move him in a direction where he was more likable, was enough to tip him in a direction that I liked more than Bolin/Mako. He didn't have a lot to do in the back half of the season, and even in the finale his moments were brief, but I STILL liked him as a personality more.
I just hope he doesn't get pushed to the side in Book 4. That's obviously likely, given they already don't have enough time to deal with the main cast.
I just hope he doesn't get pushed to the side in Book 4. That's obviously likely, given they already don't have enough time to deal with the main cast.
I was thinking this too. It's such a perfect opportunity to make the power-up more believable and harken back to what Iroh said about the 4 nations being one.
Lightning redirection is a technique that only exists because Iroh studied the waterbenders. Lavabending should exist because Bolin studied Mako.
Even something as simple as Mako saying "Bolin, think like a firebender" and Bolin closing his eyes, taking a deep breath (firebenders love those inhale/exhale moments) and performing a very basic firebending stance and just barely being able to hold back the lava would have been far more believable and effective, akin to Toph discovering refined earth in her metal prison.
crisdecuba
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I hope he and Mako develop an younger / older brother type of relationship. It would give something substantial for Mako to do and provides an organic way for Kai to continue to grow.
the ep where you found out how Lin got her scar
but the resolution to that ep was BS
she just kind of sleeps it off?
but that's the thing though, Lin's sister's change to be deserving of Lin's forgiveness gets no look in.
it was basically, I have changed now, I have this great life and run this city
off the back of getting you in trouble and scarring you for life.
Now get over it, Lin
complete and utter BS treatment of Lin by the writers there
but the resolution to that ep was BS
she just kind of sleeps it off?
but that's the thing though, Lin's sister's change to be deserving of Lin's forgiveness gets no look in.
it was basically, I have changed now, I have this great life and run this city
off the back of getting you in trouble and scarring you for life.
Now get over it, Lin
complete and utter BS treatment of Lin by the writers there
Yeah, their little moment in the finale was good. Plus, their history/personalities match up really well. I think this relationship would also strengthen Mako as well so it would be a win-win.
Well a completely perfect world is not to be expected. When Aang entered the world after getting thawed out, it was pretty much already at rock bottom. By the end of Book 2, the Earth Kingdom was also in disarray because a group of skilled individuals tricked the high ranking officials and dethroned the current monarchy (sounds kinda familiar), and got worse after the eclipse because the invasion failed horribly. Constant fuck-ups aren't specific to Korra. They just stand out more because the world is more stable than it was in the original series. Vines growing all over your city wouldn't mean a thing in the old series where world domination was the main problem.
TLA began with pretty high stakes at the very beginning, I n Korra though, almost all the characters seem suicidal to me. But yeah, conflict is the essence of drama I spose
Phoenician_Viking
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No offence but i hate this reasoning.
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Zaheer incorporated airbending into his natural acrobatic and combat skills, plus his already existing knowledge of the Air Nomads.
It explains why Tenzin was kicking his ass. Against a non airbender Zaheer seems pretty formidable, as he already was before getting airbending. But against a true master airbender he doesn't have the same level of skill as someone who's been trained as an airbender their entire life.
It explains why Tenzin was kicking his ass. Against a non airbender Zaheer seems pretty formidable, as he already was before getting airbending. But against a true master airbender he doesn't have the same level of skill as someone who's been trained as an airbender their entire life.
So they put Zaheer
All in all, the season was pretty good.
in prison again. I know they're the good guys and the show is PG, but unlike the Fire Lord in TLA, Zaheer still has his bending, he's super powerful, he already escaped from prison once... Just off him already, it's not like he's gonna talk, he didn't crack in the last 16 years, why would he now. You're just asking for trouble.
Zaheer is very tactical, is what I would say. If you pay attention to the animation, he stumbles and fumbles around a lot. Technically, he's not a match for Tenzin. But Zaheer also is AGGRESSIVE in his airbending, which is something that hasn't been done before (or if it was, it wasn't common, and certainly something Tenzin has never faced). Hell, Tenzin has never even faced another air bender before, maybe outside his own children.
But Zaheer would get bested, he was just always quick to run away, or scale things to his advantage. Usually he would escape or get backup from the Red Lotus to overcome a victory.
I believe that picture is already in an episode. Someone just zoomed in on it and circled someone that looked like it could be a younger Zaheer. It was just speculation. I forget which episode the photo was in. If I had to guess, it was either in Suyin's room, or it was in Aiwei's room (since she met him in the desert). Basically, it was just a photo in a room and someone zoomed in and cropped it, then made circles. Purely fan speculation.
I suppose it could always be something that happens in Book 4. But I kind of doubt it. I think it's time to let go of Suyin being involved or evil lol. Although it's possible she has ties to them, and doesn't know they were evil. So it could be a thing still.
Corronchilejano
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I think Professor K has a more mature look at problems, and will be finishing everything with a bang on season 4.
Dat music. And when they blow the wind around the wind chimes, got chills.
bishopcruz
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They were revolutionary anarchists, not libertarians. Most current libertarians are essentially classical liberals, in a Jeffersonian mold. Zaheer's actions and philisophies are more an anarcho-collectivist or even anarcho-communist ideal, mixed in with Zuangzhi's philosophy and other eastern ideals. Zaheer has an early 20th century violent take on the whole thing, which is appropriate to the setting.
And once again, in this thread, Korra can do no right.
I havent read the whole thread but I am guessing I am not alone in realizing the haphazard nature of her characterisation. Like I said before, creating an arc and developing takes more than a dozen eps, that's why the past seasons also gave me a uneasy wonky feeling to her development
Yep. People aren't bending scientific elements in Avatar. They are likely bending the four classical Hindu/Buddhist/Godai/Greek elements -- in all their different states of matter. The first clue we got of this was all the way back in ATLA when we saw waterbenders bend ice. That means they literally only have the ability to bend H2O, no matter what state it's in. Firebenders can likely bend lightning because lightning is a form of plasma, which I guess you could consider super-heated fire. Earth probably literally means rock and various minerals, which lava represents in their liquid form. Air probably pertains to wind.
victreeb3l
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Some awesome background art / concepts from S3. Cant wait for the art book next year!
http://fredericstewart.tumblr.com/post/95517440552/korra-book-3-finale-is-online-right-now-these
http://fredericstewart.tumblr.com/post/95517440552/korra-book-3-finale-is-online-right-now-these
And again, it's mostly males that critique her as being inferior to "perfect" Aang (who was anything but). There are of course very valid and important points to make against the character of Korra and the way the series is written, and an excellent analysis by women in this thread about female roles in the series from a narrative point of view, but the criticism of Korra as the Avatar is ridiculous for the most part, and part of the ALTA-nostalgia syndrome.
Korra was fantastic against Zaheer considering she was being poisoned by mercury at the time and doesn't have access to the vast repository of bending techniques from past avatars that Aang tapped into when going into the Avatar State (which is different from the raw power of bonding with Raava).
When Aang went into the Avatar State, the past avatar's were doing the work for him. Since Korra has control over the Avatar State, we've seen what Korra, the person, does with that raw power. And now that she's lost the connection to past avatars, even when activated by danger, the Avatar State will still only be Korra using that incredible power, not other avatars doing it for her.
Not going to comment on the whole sexism angle of this discussion (just because I don't know enough about it to comment). But I will say, I can understand people being frustrated when a character is always bad at something, or is always failing in a story. Regardless if there is an explanation for why they failed, it just becomes an expected resolution and becomes tiresome. It's a very tricky thing to pull off with a character as well, as them constantly failing can take a hit on how much you can root for said character.
But there IS a distinction between a character failing for logical reasons, and failing because they are dumb or insufferable (so an example of this would be Korra failing because she's hotheaded or she won't listen to someone). There is actually nothing wrong with that either actually, but again it can be tiresome if it's a constant thing.
That said, I think the Gaang failed quite a bit too. Aang basically got taken out by Azula. Their plan on the black sun failed as well. There are other examples of Aang falling short and failing. The question is, was his failures more common? Did it happen more often? Maybe the journey structure (the episodic structure of ATLA) put enough distance between his failures, it wasn't as fatiguing.
I do think people are being too harsh on Korra with her failures in Book 3 (people are very hyper sensitive to her failing now). Hell I don't even think she failed in the finale. But I think that is a consequence of the writers making her so bad in past seasons, that people are now tired and just want her to be an awesome Avatar. The problem with that though, is that failure is okay, and there wouldn't be much conflict if Korra succeeded all the time. So I dunno. I guess I think this is a case where the past writing has now come to haunt the character.
Because as far as I'm concerned nothing she did in Book 3 really deserved scorn or harsh criticism. Whereas in Book 1 and 2, you could point a little more towards her terrible behavior as reasons for the failure. I'm not sure if this is just a case of fatigue, or if people are just being unusually harsh on her. But I'll agree that when I saw people criticizing her in the finale, I kind of found that baffling.
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Admiral Woofington
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The reason I can't stand the internet sometimes is because whenever somebody critiques a female character somebody always has to mention it's because she's a female, vs any other traits one might actually dislike. And sure there might be an actual minority who do, but there's a minority for everything when media and characters are involved, the fact they feel the need to bring it out seems like an easy target to shut down all criticism towards the character because if you don't watch your words you'll be labeled as sexist.
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I think if your going to fail, you have to show that you thought about and learned from that failure. Korra did very little if any of that for the first two seasons. I think she's gotten better about that this season though. I think Aang was much better about thinking about and learning from his mistakes.
As a man whose favourite anime is Claymore, check my post history I champion it whenever I can, my problem with Korra has nothing to do with her gender. Season 1 and 2 saw repeating the same mistakes which even led to her severing her connection to the past avatars and throwing things out of whack.
A lot of her imaturity was rectified in Season 3, but to really expand her growth and truly give the festering boil of S1&2 the lancing it truly deserved she needed more episodes to get the audience to believe that change.
You can call it TLA nostalgia syndrome or whatever other condescending label you wish if it makes sleep better at night.
The fact that you'd pull the sexism card is just super lame, my favourite character is Lin and even she gets short-changed this season I actually enjoyed season 3, but like the past 2 seasons the 13 ep format feels off and cramped.
This is a good post
I can't criticize her the finale because she fought well, she did what any avatar would in that situation, she isn't half as wise as aang was at her age but she was ready to come to terms with self-sacrifice and that's no mean feat.
My biggest issue is the ep with Lin and her sister, man that was some BS
obijkenobi
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I think part of the reason why Aang's failures aren't looked on as harshly is because from literally episode 1, Aang and company are on the run from overwhelming odds. It's 4-5 kids constantly just one step ahead from an entire military force.
There are also multiple characters dealing with understandable character flaws and slowly making progress over time to resolving their issues. Sokka had his insecurities about being a non-bender and slowly becoming a master tactician, Katara dealing with her anger about her mother being killed, and Aang dealing with the guilt of being the last airbender and reconciling what that means vs the world views the monks instilled in him. And of course, Zuko learning what balance and honor means.
All of their issues are clearly defined with, what, 3-6 episodes of the first season? And every failure they face slowly inches towards the inevitable pay off. I think that aspect is somewhat missing in Korra's story.
Phoenician_Viking
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Spare me of this crap. Korra has been criticized because her characterization was bad. Aang was not perfect, but at least he did not lose his temper and used force every time there was a problem. Not because she was a female avatar. She was fighting spirits instead being a bridge between the spirit world and the human world. No one here bitches about Toph, or Azula, because they are great well developed characters. It has nothing to do with being a female. Korra as a main character is lacking a lot. For once she put the air nomads interest above hers and that is admirable and what she should do as an avatar. So give me a break about people criticizing Korra because she is a female character.
Lol at the avatar state comment.
i think they are just doing that on purpose. The creators have time, and i feel they want to make korra's growth more apparent.
m_shortpants
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WATCH IT!!!
I just watched it for the first time a few weeks ago. Seriously good stuff.
Phoenician_Viking
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That is the problem, her growth is too slow and deserve critic for taking all the time. The purpose of adventure/journey is to explore the world around the person and explore the person itself. It shows weakness and try to improve upon them. It teaches them about themselves and make them grow.
In the first season she did not learn anything, and i feel that in the second season she got worse. She turned her back on Tenzin and her father. She threatened a judge, and she fought spirits. In the third season she shows that she is learning a bit spirituality in the first episode, but we have not seen it since then. She had character growth this season. Although she got back to her old confrontational habit when she declared war on the Earth kingdom. But she was selfless in putting the needs of the others above hers. That was a big moment for her in the show.
The reason why i criticize Korra is because unlike Aang, she grew up very sheltered environment. That means she should have learned spirituality and that the avatar is about balance. Not to just lose her temper and fight (physically/angry temper/words) with people who disagree with her/dump her etc.... I want to criticize the white lotus for that, but she as an avatar should have tried to become more spiritual and communicate with her past lives by herself. Korra wants to solve everything with power, and as a powerful being, which is the avatar, that the wrong way to go.
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Just finished the last 2 chapters.
Personally I loved the finale. I Iiked how it ended on a bittersweet note and they went all out with the prouction values. IMO, these 2 chapters had some of the best action in the entire show.
My only true problem was Bolin...did they change the writers or something?
Much like Sokka his humor has allways been silly and rather dumb but it managed to come of as funny. But this seasons (the last 2 chapters in particular) it just didn't work. His jokes feel forced and are just not very funny, the bit about the bird call and then later the sock were cringeworthy at best.
PS: I like that Korra isn't perfect and doesn't necessarily "grow to be a better person". If that's what you want you have every other kids show ever + 90% of japanese shonen shows
Personally I loved the finale. I Iiked how it ended on a bittersweet note and they went all out with the prouction values. IMO, these 2 chapters had some of the best action in the entire show.
My only true problem was Bolin...did they change the writers or something?
Much like Sokka his humor has allways been silly and rather dumb but it managed to come of as funny. But this seasons (the last 2 chapters in particular) it just didn't work. His jokes feel forced and are just not very funny, the bit about the bird call and then later the sock were cringeworthy at best.
PS: I like that Korra isn't perfect and doesn't necessarily "grow to be a better person". If that's what you want you have every other kids show ever + 90% of japanese shonen shows
Admiral Woofington
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pretty sure the sock joke was meant to be cringeworthy
There is in fact reasons to be frustrated by Korra's character development and I've said so myself in other post. I'm not very happy with the rest of LOK either for the same reasons. I understand that it gets tiresome to see Korra fail for flaws in her character and not learn from those failures, but I do believe that she gets too much personal blame for a lot of the things Aagn would've gotten a pass on just because ATLA had more flexibility in being a more childish cartoon, perhaps (gags were a lot more cartoonish in earlier episodes as well as the consequences of their decisions and the way they solved problems).
If one were to replace Aang with Korra in several situations, the reaction would be different, with or without the character development that comes from those failures.
A lot of people complain that the problem with Korra is that she doesn't learn from her mistakes, which makes those mistakes irritating after a time and that's a valid point, but that's not I'm calling out when talking about the ATLA-nostalgia syndrome.
Just as you say, there are indeed, here and in other sites, much too unfair criticism of Korra for aspects that Aang would've gotten a pass on at WHATEVER STAGE of his adventure. (I do understand that Korra is older and supposed to be more mature than Aang, but she is still 17-18, taking on huge problems at a much younger age than the average avatar throughout history).
For some people, no matter how much mercury she's injected with, it's always going to be Korra's fault that she only bent a mountain at Zaheer and not spun a ball of air around like Aang.
I think you can suggest that Korra may get more criticism due to her gender or that some of the criticism is pointed in that sense without suggesting its the crux of the criticism or everyone in here getting offended by it. I mean considering the world we live in, it's not something you can right off just like that.
Anyway I think people are harsh on the character but I don't blame them because the writers handled the first 2 seasons poorly and they didn't really create opportunities to empathize with her. That said having a perfect Avatar would suck.
Anyway I think people are harsh on the character but I don't blame them because the writers handled the first 2 seasons poorly and they didn't really create opportunities to empathize with her. That said having a perfect Avatar would suck.
Phoenician_Viking
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The timing was bad and it was out of place. I still found it funny and laughed though.
LumpOfCole
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Korra should probably get around to taking away Zaheer's bending when it's convenient
Fbh
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Wasn't that something Aang did through the avatar state?
Why would growing up in a sheltered environment be conductive too more spirituality? In fact, its the opposite of what we've been shown throughout the series.
On that second bolded point you made: She did try to be more spiritual, but the traditional teachings of spirituality from Tenzin and the rest of the White Lotus was not going to work on her (and we later saw just how little Tenzin actually knew about the spiritual world).
And her situation isn't the same as Aang's. He was in a world with no friends, no mentors and no where to find help except inwards (and, of course, was an Air Nomad, the most spiritual of all four nations) and towards the Spirit World. Korra was protected and cared for most of her life, a prodigy of the physical side of bending, so why would she be motivated to talk to her past lives or visit the Spirit World?
Yeah, not commenting on the rest of the jokes, but that one specifically was meant to be be awkward and lame, and Bolin knows that. "Classic Bolin" is what Opal said, with an exasperated look.
Admiral Woofington
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She made the "oh you" face. You always do that face when somebody makes a bad pun. Bolin noticed she reacted at his bad joke and knew what true love was since nobody ever says anything about his bad jokes.
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