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Wat? She's had one line, why the high hopes?

im excited for a [potentially] sick metalbending female villain
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i miss p'li

i remember when the show was making a big deal out of her getting broken out of jail and how zuko and tonraq and desna and eska were all there for it. i was so ready for her to be a LEGENDARY BAD BITCH but then she got out and she hardly even talked. i should have known better. as a matter of fact, let me get off the kuvira hype train right now before i get hurt again.
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i miss p'li

i remember when the show was making a big deal out of her getting broken out of jail and how zuko and tonraq and desna and eska were all there for it. i was so ready for her to be a LEGENDARY BAD BITCH but then she got out and she hardly even talked. i should have known better. as a matter of fact, let me get off the kuvira hype train right now before i get hurt again.
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I'm still hurting from Eska/Desna
 
Pli death was definitely the most gruesome. What made it worse was the fact it was out of no where until you saw the metal helmet lock on

It was quick but I liked how that showed us that she was Zaheer last anchor to anything in the world

Wish we saw more out of her I feel like other chick was the most interesting to see fight in the group. Dat...Dat versatility
 
Lets say Korra was crippled for life, and could not continue being an active Avatar.

Considering how the Avatar cycle works, and how important the Avatar is to the world, do you think it would be right to do what is best for the greater good and mercy kill her so the world wouldn't have to suffer through 60+ years of an impotent Avatar?

I wonder how the White Lotus would deal with a situation like that.
 
Lets say Korra was crippled for life, and could not continue being an active Avatar.

Considering how the Avatar cycle works, and how important the Avatar is to the world, do you think it would be right to do what is best for the greater good and mercy kill her so the world wouldn't have to suffer through 60+ years of an impotent Avatar?

I wonder how the White Lotus would deal with a situation like that.

no because she is still a person
 
Lets say Korra was crippled for life, and could not continue being an active Avatar.

Considering how the Avatar cycle works, and how important the Avatar is to the world, do you think it would be right to do what is best for the greater good and mercy kill her so the world wouldn't have to suffer through 60+ years of an impotent Avatar?

I wonder how the White Lotus would deal with a situation like that.
That... would an interesting plot, actually. Some extremists who love the avatar and think the world needs an avatar and try to kill Korra to begin the circle anew. But would probably to similar to what the Red Lotus wanted, only without poison.
 
I didn't really like Korra as a character, but at the same time I really wished they didn't do that to her. There was probably a less extreme method of her finding out that being the Avatar was more than just fighting. Season 1 should have covered it, she was humbled, but not broken.

This just makes me feel bad.
 
Handicaps don't often seem to be handicaps in Avatar, at least for benders. I doubt the show is going to go this way, but so what if Korra's legs don't work? The most capable earthbender we've seen was blind. One of the most combat-capable waterbenders, outside of cheating bloodbenders, had no arms. Even that kid in the glider wasn't portrayed as being particularly inconvenienced.

Any time before Book 3 of Korra, if an airbender without working legs had shown up, the show would have had no problem having them levitate around.
 
Handicaps don't often seem to be handicaps in Avatar, at least for benders. I doubt the show is going to go this way, but so what if Korra's legs don't work? The most capable earthbender we've seen was blind. One of the most combat-capable waterbenders, outside of cheating bloodbenders, had no arms. Even that kid in the glider wasn't portrayed as being particularly inconvenienced.

Any time before Book 3 of Korra, if an airbender without working legs had shown up, the show would have had no problem having them levitate around.

But for stubborn people a handicap is often a bigger hurdle than for those that are capable of adapting. That's why her condition might be a lot worse for Korra personally than for other disabled people.
 
korra will walk again
theyre not going to have her not walk in a martial arts show that shes the lead character of
if they put asami in a chair then yeah it'd be permanent but theyre not doing that to korra

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How tall was she?

she easily towered over everyone in the show

she's 6'8"
 
I understand that Bolin got the upgrade out of seemingly nowhere, but people are making it out to be like lavabending it's the same as metal bending discovery, and it's not. Toph and gang lived in a world where technological advancement was starting but everything was still nowhere near as mechanic as Korra's world. Most of the technology was created by that guy who lived with the wheel chair son.

Most people couldn't figure out metal bending because they were going at it completely wrong. If anybody was going to discover metalbending it makes complete sense that the blind earth bending master who learned from the badger mole and sees with vibrations discovers that metal bending works by moving the earth particles still within the metal (or w/e reasoning they used). Nobody had done it before because it simply did not exist because nobody had figured it out PLUS it is a unique ability that only a few people have the talent to do, if you don't have the talent you can't metal bend. Period.

Lava bending has been around for ages. We know of at least 3 instances of incarnations of avatars that have lava bended (Kyoshi, Roku, unnamed fire bending avatar). That's at the very least 400 years since it's discovery but probably more considering the cycle and the minimum separation between each incarnation of avatar. Lava bending already existed, the fact nobody used it to this date is unknown. My guess is that only avatars were documented in using them and it was probably not properly documented at that. No sane person would see flowing lava and attempt to run to it and bend it. You'd GTFO of the way. Combine this with a mixture of having the innate talent (once again just like with lightning bending and metal bending) and you're left with a lot of factors that make the likelyhood that lava bending would be used by many earthbenders very small statistically.

It'd be nice to see how Ghazan discovered he had the talent to lava bend, because we knew in the universe it already existed and the fact water benders can make ice, mist/fog and probably steam means that heating up your element is not unheard of.

More to the point though, Bolin didn't make his own lava. He always used lava that was already around. He had to do something when they were about to get killed by Ghazan's lava flow, so he attempted to bend it and succesfully lifted it up and cooled it down making a wall. Not many earthbenders would ever attempt something like this because statistically you would need to be near flowing lava and attempt to bend it instead of run away or making it flow somewhere else. Factors in the equation.

If they continue with the fact he's a lavabender, which they should since Ghazan is supposedly dead and he might be the one to spread the word, he'll probably have to figure out how to make his own lava like Ghazan did.

Was it an ass-pull? Oh yes. But so was the blind girl realizing she can metal bend because all these factors coincided for her to be the one to realize it and spread the word. The difference with Bolin is that he probably only had the factor of the talent that chances are plenty of earthbenders have, they just don't know it because they weren't in the situation.

Good post.

However, my main problem still stands. There is no incite to what it takes to bend lava. Bolin simply gives it a shot and does it, and we're never given any explanation to how Ghazan makes and bends lava. All the other advanced bending techniques are given some sort of explanation:

Lightning: Explained by Iroh in Bitter Work.
Metal: Shown and explained by Toph and Guru Pahtik in The Guru.
Blood: Explained by Hama in The Puppetmaster.
Combustion: Never directly explained, but given how Combustion Man and P'Li both had the chi tattoo, that can be inferred as the requirement.
Energy: Explained by the Lion Turtle in Avatar Aang.
Flying: Explained by Zaheer in Enter the Void.

Even Jinora's astral projection was given some sort of explanation. It was a bit half-hearted in my opinion, but that's another story. We even got explanations for how some normal types of bending worked. According Toph in Bitter Work, earth bending requires you to be firmly rooted both physically and mentally. In the Sun Warriors, firebending, though twisted by the Fire Nation to be fueled by rage, works by understanding that it's life and energy in the body like a sun inside you, not just destruction. It also comes from the breath, so proper breathing techniques are necessary. A nod to dragons breathing fire I suppose. And of course, we received plenty of explanations for how airbending works by Tenzin training Korra. Be the leaf and all.

But lava bending...nothing.

Before this season, I always assumed that lava bending would require a lot more ebb and flow techniques, like a waterbender. Which would explain why typical earth benders wouldn't be able to do it, and why Avatars are the only ones we've seen bending lava before since they know how to waterbend and apply the style to lava. But I sincerely doubt Bolin decided to bust out some waterbending style at the last moment. And we weren't given any clue about Ghazan studying waterbending moves either, so my theory is pretty much dead. So how does it work? Is it something that any earthbender could get the hang of easily, just like how any waterbender can bend ice easily? Very doubtful, Mako and Suyin's reactions made it seem like it was a rare skill.

I don't know, I guess it's not that big of a deal, but the main thing that bothers me is that I have no idea if Bolin can do it because of skill and technique or if he's just unique. Does he know what he's actually know what he's doing when he lava bends and the difference what that requires compared to normal earthbending? Or is he just throw his arms around, straining and grunting, and it just happens to work? Some insight would be nice.
 
Good post.

However, my main problem still stands. There is no incite to what it takes to bend lava. Bolin simply gives it a shot and does it, and we're never given any explanation to how Ghazan makes and bends lava. All the other advanced bending techniques are given some sort of explanation:

Lightning: Explained by Iroh in Bitter Work.
Metal: Shown and explained by Toph and Guru Pahtik in The Guru.
Blood: Explained by Hama in The Puppetmaster.
Combustion: Never directly explained, but given how Combustion Man and P'Li both had the chi tattoo, that can be inferred as the requirement.
Energy: Explained by the Lion Turtle in Avatar Aang.
Flying: Explained by Zaheer in Enter the Void.

Even Jinora's astral projection was given some sort of explanation. It was a bit half-hearted in my opinion, but that's another story. We even got explanations for how some normal types of bending worked. According Toph, earth bending requires you to be firmly rooted both physically and mentally. Firebending, though twisted by the Fire Nation to be fueled by rage, works by understanding that it's life and energy in the body like a sun inside you, not just destruction. It also comes from the breath, so proper breathing techniques are necessary. A nod to dragons breathing fire I suppose. And of course, we received plenty of explanations for how airbending works by Tenzin training Korra. Be the leaf and all.

But lava bending...nothing.

Before this season, I always assumed that lava bending would require a lot more ebb and flow techniques, like a waterbender. Which would explain why typical earth benders wouldn't be able to do it, and why Avatar's are the only ones we've seen bending lava before since they are very familiar with waterbending. But I sincerely doubt Bolin decided to bust out some waterbending style at the last moment. And we weren't given any clue about Ghazan studying waterbending moves either, so my theory is pretty much dead. So how does it work? I mean, does Bolin even know what he's doing or did he just throw his hands up and grunt and strain? Is it something that any earthbender could get the hang of easily, just like how any waterbender can bend ice easily? Very doubtful, Mako and Suyin's reactions made it seem like it was a rare skill.

I don't know, I guess it's not that big of a deal, but the main thing that bothers me is that I have no idea if Bolin can do it because of skill and technique or if he's just unique. Does he know what he's actually know what he's doing when he lava bends and the difference what that requires compared to normal earthbending? Or is he just throw his arms around, straining and grunting, and it just happens to work? Some insight would be nice.

Didn't they mention that he basically earthbends at such high speed that the friction makes it lava?

I'm pretty sure that was in the show right?
 
I think the show was implying that lavabending isn't something that requires a specific technique, just the innate talent, seeing how Bolin was able to deflect and redirect the movements. I'm sure that early next season they'll go through the intricacies of it, but for now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it's solely talent-based. The only time Ghazan ever really did something that looked like non-earth bending movements was when he was making the lava, and that's when he made the weird wave movement with his arms. But Bolin didn't make the lava, just control it which it would make sense that molten earth doesn't require as strong of movements (as seen when he simply lifted up his arms and the lava raised up).

The writers seem to be hitting the right notes recently, I'm willing to wait till next season.

If so, I guess I need to do a rewtch then. Haha.

But even so, that would just be creating lava, not bending lava that's already been made like Bolin was doing. Still, that's better than nothing. Would explain half of Ghazan's techniques at least.

Changing the temperature of your material isn't unheard of though, water benders do it all the time with ice and mist and possible steam in S1 of Korra. Being able to heat up earth makes sense, but I guess since Earth is a more solid element it requires more than just any bender
 
Didn't they mention that he basically earthbends at such high speed that the friction makes it lava?

I'm pretty sure that was in the show right?

If so, I guess I need to do a rewtch then. Haha.

But even so, that would just be creating lava, not bending lava that's already been made like Bolin was doing. Still, that's better than nothing. Would explain half of Ghazan's techniques at least.

If it just requires unexplainable "talent", I'm going to be a little disappointing. Especially since Bolin hasn't been shown as being particularly talented. Hopefully Book 4 goes into lava bending more as Bolin continues to use it.
 
Just saw that on tumblr.

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I don't know about Suyin, but Kuvira sure looks like Zaheer. Would be... weird.

I doubt it as the person everyone keeps thinking is Zaheer in that picture is vastly taller than the real Zaheer. Unless he shrunk in prison or something.

The picture was shown in episode 5 when Suyin was talking about her travels around the world.

 
Good post.

However, my main problem still stands. There is no incite to what it takes to bend lava. Bolin simply gives it a shot and does it, and we're never given any explanation to how Ghazan makes and bends lava. All the other advanced bending techniques are given some sort of explanation:

Lightning: Explained by Iroh in Bitter Work.
Metal: Shown and explained by Toph and Guru Pahtik in The Guru.
Blood: Explained by Hama in The Puppetmaster.
Combustion: Never directly explained, but given how Combustion Man and P'Li both had the chi tattoo, that can be inferred as the requirement.
Energy: Explained by the Lion Turtle in Avatar Aang.
Flying: Explained by Zaheer in Enter the Void.

Even Jinora's astral projection was given some sort of explanation. It was a bit half-hearted in my opinion, but that's another story. We even got explanations for how some normal types of bending worked. According Toph in Bitter Work, earth bending requires you to be firmly rooted both physically and mentally. In the Sun Warriors, firebending, though twisted by the Fire Nation to be fueled by rage, works by understanding that it's life and energy in the body like a sun inside you, not just destruction. It also comes from the breath, so proper breathing techniques are necessary. A nod to dragons breathing fire I suppose. And of course, we received plenty of explanations for how airbending works by Tenzin training Korra. Be the leaf and all.

But lava bending...nothing.

Before this season, I always assumed that lava bending would require a lot more ebb and flow techniques, like a waterbender. Which would explain why typical earth benders wouldn't be able to do it, and why Avatars are the only ones we've seen bending lava before since they know how to waterbend and apply the style to lava. But I sincerely doubt Bolin decided to bust out some waterbending style at the last moment. And we weren't given any clue about Ghazan studying waterbending moves either, so my theory is pretty much dead. So how does it work? Is it something that any earthbender could get the hang of easily, just like how any waterbender can bend ice easily? Very doubtful, Mako and Suyin's reactions made it seem like it was a rare skill.

I don't know, I guess it's not that big of a deal, but the main thing that bothers me is that I have no idea if Bolin can do it because of skill and technique or if he's just unique. Does he know what he's actually know what he's doing when he lava bends and the difference what that requires compared to normal earthbending? Or is he just throw his arms around, straining and grunting, and it just happens to work? Some insight would be nice.
They're basically doing the same thing as water-ice bending. The only difference is the amount of energy required to freeze/melt water compared to the amount required to melt earth. That's my explanation, at least.
 
Lava bending's problem is that it's been hella boring so far.

The only time that it was cool was when he used it to make a ninja star.

Lava as a super power in entertainment mediums is woefully underutilized.
Hopefully Bolin does something cool with it, but he will probably forget it exists until the season 4 finale, just like lightning bending.
 
Lava bending's problem is that it's been hella boring so far.

The only time that it was cool was when he used it to make a ninja star.

Lava as a super power in entertainment mediums is woefully underutilized.
Hopefully Bolin does something cool with it, but he will probably forget it exists until the season 4 finale, just like lightning bending.

I thought it was pretty neat when Ghazan used it to take down the wall in Ba Sing Se.
 
Just saw the last two episodes. Definitely my favorite finale thus far with so many great moments! It's been a long time since I was this clenched to my computer screen. And that final scene... manly tear bending!

Can't wait for book 4!
 
I thought it was pretty neat when Ghazan used it to take down the wall in Ba Sing Se.

This. It took a whole bunch of Dai li agents to take down the wall. It took one Ghazan with lava bending.


It has pretty cool destructive properties, the thing is for a good guy there's only so much you can do with it as it's pretty deadly. Look at why Mako doesn't use lightning much unless it's a vehicle/robot or he intends to kill.
 
korra will walk again
theyre not going to have her not walk in a martial arts show that shes the lead character of
if they put asami in a chair then yeah it'd be permanent but theyre not doing that to korra

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she's 6'8"

Holy fucking shit!
 
They're basically doing the same thing as water-ice bending. The only difference is the amount of energy required to freeze/melt water compared to the amount required to melt earth. That's my explanation, at least.

I touched upon that possibility in my post. I would buy that explanation normally, but Mako and Suyin made it seem unique. Mako was all like "Holy shit, you're a lavabender!" and Suyin said something like "I knew you were capable of something special". Any average joe waterbender can turn water to ice and vice versa. So if earth and lava bending is the same way, what is so amazing about what Bolin did again? Because nobody else was brave (or stupid) enough to try?

Or maybe it was for his self esteem. He definitely could use some. :p
 
I touched upon that possibility in my post. I would buy that explanation normally, but Mako and Suyin made it seem unique. Mako was all like "Holy shit, you're a lavabender!" and Suyin said something like "I knew you were capable of something special". Any average joe waterbender can turn water to ice and vice versa. So if earth and lava bending is the same way, what is so amazing about what Bolin did again? Because nobody else was brave (or stupid) enough to try?

Or maybe it was for his self esteem. He definitely could use some. :p

I think is what he, and I for that matter, gather from lava benders being special is that not every earthbender can heat up earth because the amount of energy required to do that is incredibly high vs being able to freeze/heat up water which would make earth benders special and in the context of how much heat you need to have it would make sense for not many earthbenders being able to do it and therefore becoming similar to metal bending in the sense that only 1 out of X earthbenders being able to do it.

I'm thinking of it as a burner/heater with a specific maximum. Most earthbenders would probably not have enough energy in them to be able to heat up earth enough to make lava. And it would make sense that some (if not most) avatars are able to do it since they're the masters of bending.
 
I touched upon that possibility in my post. I would buy that explanation normally, but Mako and Suyin made it seem unique. Mako was all like "Holy shit, you're a lavabender!" and Suyin said something like "I knew you were capable of something special". Any average joe waterbender can turn water to ice and vice versa. So if earth and lava bending is the same way, what is so amazing about what Bolin did again? Because nobody else was brave (or stupid) enough to try?

Or maybe it was for his self esteem. He definitely could use some. :p

The obvious possibility is that it's the same kind of thing as what any waterbender can do, but it's just more difficult because you need to get much more energy into the rock to get it to change phases. Water/ice is only about a 20 K or 80 kJ/kg change. Rock to magma is somewhere around an 800 K temperature change and maybe 800 kJ/kg.
 
Rewatched the finale with a friend just now. Still got chills during most parts, but especially the
Airbending Master Ceremony. The fantastic music combined with just the visual of Jinora looking like her granddad was just perfect

It's gonna be a lonnnnng wait for Book 4.
 
I'd say it doesn't make any sense why lavabending would be some rare skill, any strong earthbender should be able to do it if all it takes is more energy.

Metalbending makes sense as being somewhat rare because you need the skill to manipulate the fine earth particles in the metal, lavavbending should only take pure power if its the same as waterbenders changing water to ice.

One excuse is that maybe you need a different spiritual mindset? Bolin being with Mako so much gave him a more firebender mindset which allowed him to lavabend when his life was on the line.(looking at his fighting style with his quick punches it kind of looks like firebending)
 
i miss p'li

i remember when the show was making a big deal out of her getting broken out of jail and how zuko and tonraq and desna and eska were all there for it. i was so ready for her to be a LEGENDARY BAD BITCH but then she got out and she hardly even talked. i should have known better. as a matter of fact, let me get off the kuvira hype train right now before i get hurt again.
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She went out hard, she got strait executed.
 
I'd say it doesn't make any sense why lavabending would be some rare skill, any strong earthbender should be able to do it if all it takes is more energy.

Metalbending makes sense as being somewhat rare because you need the skill to manipulate the fine earth particles in the metal, lavavbending should only take pure power if its the same as waterbenders changing water to ice.

One excuse is that maybe you need a different spiritual mindset? Bolin being with Mako so much gave him a more firebender mindset which allowed him to lavabend when his life was on the line.(looking at his fighting style with his quick punches it kind of looks like firebending)

What makes a strong earthbender though? Bumi was a great earthbender, probably he could've done lava bending. Being a master earthbender means you have perfected skills and a fighting style =/= you can give a lot of energy to earth. If so then master waterbenders should easily make tsunamis and shit of the sort. Avatars are able to do shit like massive winds or gusts of winds because they are the best of the best plus they have the avatar state.
 
I think they said Book 4 was always intended to be the last just like the Original Series.

The original series ended after 3 seasons. :P

If it ends, I hope they can pitch a new series. Nickelodeon has one hell of an IP on their hands with Avatar.

Gimme a male, 20-something, slacker earthbender that for the first time in his life actually has to do Avatar shit when things go awry right in front of him. That could be fun.

Or hell, go back to Wan, or maybe the second Avatar? Or any Avatar really. I wouldn't mind going back in time. I don't like the "roaring 20s" setting of LOK to begin with.
 
The original series ended after 3 seasons. :P

If it ends, I hope they can pitch a new series. Nickelodeon has one hell of an IP on their hands with Avatar.

Gimme a male, 20-something, slacker earthbender that for the first time in his life actually has to do Avatar shit when things go awry right in front of him. That could be fun.

Or hell, go back to Wan, or maybe the second Avatar? Or any Avatar really. I wouldn't mind going back in time. I don't like the "roaring 20s" setting of LOK to begin with.


WAIT What? Wow.. i thought the First Series was longer... god i need to rewatch them.
 
The original series ended after 3 seasons. :P

If it ends, I hope they can pitch a new series. Nickelodeon has one hell of an IP on their hands with Avatar.

Gimme a male, 20-something, slacker earthbender that for the first time in his life actually has to do Avatar shit when things go awry right in front of him. That could be fun.

Or hell, go back to Wan, or maybe the second Avatar? Or any Avatar really. I wouldn't mind going back in time. I don't like the "roaring 20s" setting of LOK to begin with.

Technically thats not how the writer sees it. They divided korra up into 4 books but I specifically remember the creators saying that they either see it as 3 books or the same number of episodes would eventually happen just in smaller stories.

I'll try to find the link to that as my memory is super fuzzy on what they actually said but I do specifically remember them saying it would be about the same length as the first series stretched across 4 books.
 
WAIT What? Wow.. i thought the First Series was longer... god i need to rewatch them.

ATLA had longer seasons so the mistake is understandable.

Technically thats not how the writer sees it. They divided korra up into 4 books but I specifically remember the creators saying that they either see it as 3 books or the same number of episodes would eventually happen just in smaller stories.

I'll try to find the link to that as my memory is super fuzzy on what they actually said but I do specifically remember them saying it would be about the same length as the first series stretched across 4 books.

No, need. I believe you. :)
 
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