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Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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Admiral Woofington
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that lava bending can still be special, being a great earthbender does not guarantee you can put as much energy into earth to melt it into lava. It can easily be a skill you are born with. Similar to how fire benders who can lightning bend need to ionize the air or w/e it is they do and how blood benders aren't everywhere either. Any instance of an earthbender with a lot of power that we've seen they potentially could be lava benders, people just didn't think about it besides Avatars.
edit: like someone else said the amount of energy required to transform earth into lava is ridiculously greater over transforming water into ice or steam.
I thought that was only for lightning redirection. (I guess I should rewatch that episode.)
Admiral Woofington
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You're right, bad example. It's fire bending that requires a complete lack of emotions to it. I'm curious of Zuko can do it now, in his old age.
You may be right but I don't think it was. I distinctly recall Iroh teaching Zuko how to redirect lightning after Zuko failed to learn how to do lightningbend.
Actually, it don't matter. That entire theory was thrown out of the window once I saw average Joes in a power plant and random thugs bend lightning.
It's not an elite skill anymore.
Nah, I was wrong. Sorry.
But I think we need to keep one thing in mind, water boils and become steam at 100º Celsius and becomes ice at 0º C, on the other hand, rock melts at 1200º Cesius, the difference is too huge and maybe that's why it could be a rare ability.
Aside from Ghazan and now Bolin, we had only saw Avatars control lava and there's one important difference between them, well actually two, they were in the Avatar state and the Avatars controled already existing lava, they didn't created it. Roku was near a volcano when he did it, the unnamed fire Avatar was infront of one as well and Kyoshi used the magma under the earth's crust to separate the land and creat Kyoshi island.
Ghazan is able to actually melt rock and then use it, my theory is that it's a rare ability because maybe the energy needed to make the rock change it's state is too much for a normal earthbender.
Right now we can only speculate, but who knows, maybe it will be revealed that one of Ghazan's parents was a firebender just like with Bolin and that's why they are able to melt rock, but at least for me lavabending shouldn't be considered a normal skill.
Admiral Woofington
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No you were right, at least partially. The wiki explains that it was a skill usually reserved for higher class people and not taught to those of lower class, it's not a special/born skill it simply requires the right mindset and training.
Ah, right. Would definitely make sense given how easily water can change phases compare to other elements.
Good call.
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Just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for being kind and supportive. Even if it was just talking about this show with me, it was a HUGE help getting me by during this emotional time. I'm still dealing with my cousin's suicide, and it's still painful. And I am sorry again for taking it out on you guys a week ago. I should have just been open with you guys from the start, instead of keeping it bottled up.
Anyways, just figured I would say thank you guys again for being there for me. Really appreciate it.
Just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for being kind and supportive. Even if it was just talking about this show with me, it was a HUGE help getting me by during this emotional time. I'm still dealing with my cousin's suicide, and it's still painful. And I am sorry again for taking it out on you guys a week ago. I should have just been open with you guys from the start, instead of keeping it bottled up.
Anyways, just figured I would say thank you guys again for being there for me. Really appreciate it.
Cloud Strife
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You are always welcome Azula! I really appreciate how sharp your posts are here, really gets the discussion going so thanks for that!
Admiral Woofington
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im pretty sure theyre gone for good
You were never gone, you are forever connected to this thread and to our hearts.
At least as long someone don't sever the connection.
Good to have you back, brah.
It's awesome that you decided to stay and talk Korra with everyone. Your posts are pretty concise and amazing for the discussion here.
What if people in the Avatar universe simply don't understand that lava is indeed melted rock? I don't know. At what point in real world history did people begin to understand the relationship between normal earth and molten rock? What if the Avatars that could do it believed themselves to be waterbending the lava, but at some point Gazan realized "Holy shit, lava is actually earth, and thus falls under the power of earthbending!
Probably something to do with in-born talent and the energy required to melt it though. We know that even with training, not all firebenders can bend lightning, and not all waterbenders can bloodbend, much less without a full moon.
Probably something to do with in-born talent and the energy required to melt it though. We know that even with training, not all firebenders can bend lightning, and not all waterbenders can bloodbend, much less without a full moon.
This is a little nitpicky but I don't think Lava bending being a form of earth bending makes any sense.
Well... I can see being able to bend lava, but not turn existing rock into lava. If anything that seems more firebendy.
But then again the explosion eye and lightning dont make much sense either.
Well... I can see being able to bend lava, but not turn existing rock into lava. If anything that seems more firebendy.
But then again the explosion eye and lightning dont make much sense either.
Admiral Woofington
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? Molten earth is not fire.
You're always welcome, really do love reading your posts and thoughts about avatar.
Considering the time period they're in I think they know that lava is molten rock. Bolin figured out what he was doing right away, too.
If you are skilled enough you can vibrate the molecules in the rock. The friction from this causes the rock the heat up and turn to molten rock. There you go, laval bending.
People thought bending metal was impossible until Toph felt the particles of iron ore in it. Ghazan just figured out that if you bend rocks into each other at a very high speed they begin to heat up and eventually liquefy through friction - you can see whenever he generates it he twists two rock sources into each other to make a whirling pool.
It probably just requires a degree of intuition and feel to be able to do it, I would imagine many have trouble grasping the concept or having patience to learn it which is why most can't do it. Either that or they're genetically superior in their bending somehow (the whole Amon thing makes it seem like it might be hereditary to some degree).
Avatar Roku and Kyoshi both bent lava and even caused volcanic eruption. Whether or not they did this through bending fire and earth simultaneously or just earth is unknown, I would imagine if they knew that bending lava was just earthbending they would want to keep it a secret as it's very destructive.
Admiral Woofington
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Whoever wrote the wiki and I seem to agree on one thing we've seen:
Ghazan was seen doing smooth movements, not the earth stomping stuff that earth benders tend to do. Even Bolin when he raised his arm to stop the lava did a smooth arc up which controlled the lava similar to water bending. This has a lot of possibilities as theoretically he could have to learn a whole different fighting style. They probably won't go there but it'd be cool.
Ghazan was seen doing smooth movements, not the earth stomping stuff that earth benders tend to do. Even Bolin when he raised his arm to stop the lava did a smooth arc up which controlled the lava similar to water bending. This has a lot of possibilities as theoretically he could have to learn a whole different fighting style. They probably won't go there but it'd be cool.
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No.
At least not anytime soon considering how long it took for Korra to get off the ground and adding that with the complication that the series does not seem to be pulling in the ratings that Nick wants it to considering their lack of giving a shit recently. I also don't think there is honestly any other network that is looking into picking it up in the meantime.
Isn't that already Bolin's style though? He is far more fluid and "on his feet" than a traditional earthbender. I mean, look at the fight between Bolin/Mako and the Dai Lai early this season. He was able to take them out with different styles because wasn't rooted to the ground like they were.
I believe that its this different fighting style that allowed him to be a lavabender in the first place.
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I hope everything works out for you, Azula, and while I don't post here very often, you're in my thoughts. We're here for anything!
Admiral Woofington
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I rewatched the battle, and while he is a fantastic earthbender (he did that really cool breakdancing style kick to the wall and a really fast tower to push them to the sky) it didn't seem any more fluid than the dai li, who were doing flips around the earth as well.
Bolin is very adept and quick though, I could see him becoming decent with lava bending. I mean he was already able to redirect lava.
I think if Korra is to be a great avatar she has to learn all of the bending disciplines. Lava bending, flight, astral projection, even blood bending. When she learns this she can be a good baseline for future avatars.
She should also figure out a way to keep the avatar cycle going even if someone gets killed in the avatar state. That is too big of a weakness.
I hope so, and I hope he/she is a fully realized avatar with a good crew; not a bunch of beginners like in ATLA, or just a bunch of weaklings like in Korra.
She should also figure out a way to keep the avatar cycle going even if someone gets killed in the avatar state. That is too big of a weakness.
I hope so, and I hope he/she is a fully realized avatar with a good crew; not a bunch of beginners like in ATLA, or just a bunch of weaklings like in Korra.
He's a bit more fluid than the typical earthbender though, which I feel is in part to his fighting style being influenced quite a bit by his stint in Pro-bending where been quick and fast is pretty important.
I feel he'll be fine as a lava bender only issue is he might be limited in its use as its a pretty destructive form of bending.
Cloud Strife
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That's a pretty tall order which I'm not sure needs to be filled.
Admiral Woofington
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Yep. There are defensive properties to lava as well. You could encircle yourself or the enemy in lava, limiting their movement.
Here is the scenario:
Lets say 60 - 70 years in the future Korra dies. The future red lotus or equalists want to end the cycle so they transplant a member into the white lotus; when the new avatar is found (probably a kid like korra was not a 16 year old like previous avatars) they force the avatar state and kill the kid, that's it avatar cycle over, total chaos.
I dunno if it makes any sense and there is no evidence that it works that way but Bolin's parents are a firebender (hence Mako) and an earthbender, right? Maybe it played a role in him having an aptitude for lava bending. Just latching on any information available to us even if it doesn't make much sense.
Admiral Woofington
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How is it any less ridiculous than fire bending? Fire doesnt just occur out of thin air.
m_shortpants
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Just like how firebenders create fire out of thin air? It's not less sensible, they just haven't properly explained it.
"Firebenders use their chi as a source for their bending. This facet of firebending is a sharp contrast to the other bending arts, which manipulate already present sources of their element, though firebenders can also control or enhance flames nearby."
So, basically, blah blah blah Chi Dragons Fire.
Yes. I know. What I am saying is, lavabender hasn't been properly explained like firebending is. If we ever get do get one, then we can say if its less sensible. As it stands now, there are plenty of fan theories that make complete sense to me.
You changed your name? I was looking for Azula's post and found nothing and found the silence to be quite odd. Also welcome back. Now get to your longass opinion posts so I can devour it sunday morning as my reading material for the day!
I seriously enjoy your posts.
This....is actually a pretty cool theory. Earthbenders and firebenders don't mix but then we'd probably be seeing a surplus of lavabenders if the Promise comic series was anything to go by.
The thought occurred to me, too. But it probably has more to do with the actual technique itself than genes.
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