Actually, I think the very first time you see Ghazan bend lava we see him twisting some rocks until they eventually become lava. That's definitely not much to go on, and Bolin never sees this, but it at least suggests to the audience he's simply taking Earth and superheating it, likely through friction.
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Actually, I think the very first time you see Ghazan bend lava we see him twisting some rocks until they eventually become lava. That's definitely not much to go on, and Bolin never sees this, but it at least suggests to the audience he's simply taking Earth and superheating it, likely through friction.
They've made it clear in the show that it's "the connection" that is gone, not the avatar's themselves (although that could be the case also, just that they haven't said so outright).
They're still individual spirits floating around somewhere. I just want to emphasize that because if Aang or any other past avatar makes an appearance in the Spirit World or in any other form, there are sure to be a lot of people accusing the writers of inconsistency, when they never actually said that the avatars are gone themselves, just that Korra lost their connection to them.
They did however (at Comic-Con this year), said that Raava's "death" in the Book 2 finale was akin to "rebooting" the avatar hard drive, but they were talking about Korra's connection to them, still not actually saying that they ceased to exist.
This actually supports the idea of Bolin being suddenly proficient at lavabending, he has already implemented waterbending in his style in the past.
Admiral Woofington
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Nuc-tuckity!
Even more to add to the argument that Bolin would make sense to lava bend, considering that he's a pretty on his feet breakdancing earthbender with quick movements.
I actually hope they find some bs reason to restore Korra's connection to the past Avatars.
She's still technically got the Tree of Time in the Spirit World to go to if she needs to see anything from the past
Icyflamez96
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Admiral Woofington
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nothing because she's not crippled, just momentarily weak.
Korra will bend her way into Asami's heart.
Surgically implanted metal wires all through out her legs,
Yeah I doubt they would go and make her crippled, its just a question of how many episodes till she back to full strength.
Icyflamez96
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I already know how it's going to go down. Since she can't do much with her physical body, she'll probably be hanging out in the spirit world and find enlightenment there.
You hate continuity between seasons...?
The vines in republic city were introduced in season 2, rementioned in season 3 - I see no issue with them covering it in season 4. Makes the seasons less disjointed, and season 3 had nothing to do with figuring out how to get rid of the vines.
Phoenician_Viking
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No, because wait until later everything will be explained seems very reductive, especially when we did not get closure to what happened to the people who supported Amon, and the whole none benders rights. I hope everything gets explained but you cant just say oh they will work on that later just to avoid critic of series or something.
Yeah sorry, I was posting under Yukiko. It's kind of a long story, but I basically had the name changed because I was being really stupid and irrational. Had a death in the family that hit me very close. Instead of getting off the computer and grieving like a normal person, I spent my time on GAF as a distraction. But while emotionally unstable (because I had bottled it all up and was on edge) I took it out on some people in this thread.
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Not my proudest moment. That said, everyone was really kind and forgave me after I let people know why I freaked out and changed my name. When all was said and done, I should have just been honest with everyone in the first place. Most of you guys are like family to me, so I should have just let you know I was going through some messed up shit. Anyways, long story short I'm back. Still recovering from my loss (still hurts), but obviously more rational and in a better place mentally.
I agree that there is no way she stays permanently crippled. Like, even if the plot was that she's crippled and it's not just broken bones or temporary weakness, they would find a way around it. It would be insane to have her crippled for the rest of Book 4. I mean, they could have her fly and levitate like Zaheer. But that would be so insane. I mean I guess?
My only question then is, did most of you take the ending as superficial wounds? ie. Broken bones or temporary weakness from poison? I was kind of confused by how terrible Korra looked. I get that apart of that had to do with her worries about her time as Avatar coming to pass (with the air nation filling the void she should be filling). But I guess when I originally saw the finale, my mind just automatically assumed she was actually paralyzed from the waist down, since she looked so awful.
But I guess she could be in recovery, and still feel that awful.
I dont think that will be repeated here.
For whatever reason, they completely dropped the plot of season 1 at the beginning of season 2.
They did *not* do that this season. So there is no reason to think they'll do it next season.
Season 1 was planned out on its own, whereas seasons 2-4 were planned out together.
Admiral Woofington
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I just see it as weakness from poison, what seemed like dying for a second, falling down from those heights and a broken spirit. Just like post-operation and other situations where somebody just recovered from a traumatic experience and they couldn't walk for a bit, it could take her a bit of time to regain her strength and be able to move again. Tenzin and the others were already saying that she looked healthier by the day, and I don't think they said it solely to make her feel better, as when the president asked later if she'd be ready they made it seem like it was indeed temporary. If the show had intended for her to be permanently crippled they would have said something.
Like many have speculated maybe this is also partially broken spirit, as seen by her tear at the end. The mind plays a large role in recuperation and healing.
Like many have speculated maybe this is also partially broken spirit, as seen by her tear at the end. The mind plays a large role in recuperation and healing.
Ah okay. I guess my initial reaction was like, hey...you saved the Air nation, stopped the Red Lotus, if you are only out of action for 6 months because temporary weakness, surely she would be a little more chipper. I mean, realistically..if she didn't receive permanent damage, she walked away from all of this pretty damn well.
But I can understand the emotional toll it took on her. The whole "broken spirit' angle. I guess we'll just have to see how they play it out in the first episode of Book 4. I'm really curious how they are going to approach it.
Well that makes more sense. Thanks for posting that. I figured that just because they removed the poison, that doesn't mean the effects of it seeping into her body wouldn't still be there. So that actually makes a lot of sense!
Admiral Woofington
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if the writers went as far as that when they thought of the implications of mercury poisoning I tip my tiny dog hat to them.
I think the ending is clearly meant to communicate that Korra thinks she's been seriously hurt. Basically everyone calls out how she's been hurt and is healing. The president worries aloud that the absence of a healthy Avatar is dangerous. I don't see any indication that Korra is sad about something to do with the airbenders. Really, Korra comes across as a beat-up version of where she was near the end of Book 1, when she thought that she couldn't be the Avatar anymore even though Amon had been beaten.
SO, I still stand by the fact that I really did not like Bolin in this finale (from the humorous moments). But I was actually thinking...
While I hated the Sock moment with Zaheer, it wasn't that far off from Sokka making fun of Ozai after he was defeated. That too was kind of a light hearted/kid show moment. So even though ATLA became more mature, and had darker/serious plot lines, it always would reel it back in and show itself for being a kids show (for better or for worse).
Point is, I didn't like the scene personally. But I dunno, it wasn't that out of character for the show tbh. Now that I think about it, it reminds me a lot of Ozai after Aang defeated him.
While I hated the Sock moment with Zaheer, it wasn't that far off from Sokka making fun of Ozai after he was defeated. That too was kind of a light hearted/kid show moment. So even though ATLA became more mature, and had darker/serious plot lines, it always would reel it back in and show itself for being a kids show (for better or for worse).
Point is, I didn't like the scene personally. But I dunno, it wasn't that out of character for the show tbh. Now that I think about it, it reminds me a lot of Ozai after Aang defeated him.
crisdecuba
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Next season should have the following:
1. Toph appearing and kicking butt
2. Bolin showing Toph he can lavabend and us getting some sort of explanation about how it works
3. Mako / Kai - Older brother / Younger brother relationship development
4. Restoring the connection to the past Avatars
5. Korra coming into her own as a mature, wise, and fully realized Avatar
6. In the end, a world that more fully embraces and respects the concept of the Avatar once again
That's all.
1. Toph appearing and kicking butt
2. Bolin showing Toph he can lavabend and us getting some sort of explanation about how it works
3. Mako / Kai - Older brother / Younger brother relationship development
4. Restoring the connection to the past Avatars
5. Korra coming into her own as a mature, wise, and fully realized Avatar
6. In the end, a world that more fully embraces and respects the concept of the Avatar once again
That's all.
Admiral Woofington
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I mean it being the last season I'm sure Toph will appear at least for a couple of episodes, seeing how the remaining surviving members of the gaang have shown up, but I would rather Bolin discover the intricacies of lavabending by himself instead of having plot device come in and explain it, especially since it'd feel cheap for them to bring a character of the previous show to do so. Give the characters here their own chance to expand their knowledge.
Shrennin
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Finally got around to finishing the finale -- this season in particular has been the best of the three seasons of Korra so far (by quite a large margin) and, I dare say, that this season has finally recaptured some of that AtLA magic. The group feels more like a group now, there are various personalities but they all seem to be bringing things to the team, and Korra has become (or is in the process of becoming) a very wise Avatar. Also, I liked how the finale was able to bring back the other three main villains Korra has faced -- it makes the series feel a bit more connected as a result because at least those others were acknowledged.
With that said, how in the world did Jinora know that earthbenders could bend the poison out of Korra? How did she know what poison it was? I know it seems like it was probably Mercury, but what made Jinora think that?
With that said, how in the world did Jinora know that earthbenders could bend the poison out of Korra? How did she know what poison it was? I know it seems like it was probably Mercury, but what made Jinora think that?
m_shortpants
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I must say, having a huge ensemble cast of characters can work quite well. I recently finished Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and there are a tooonnn of characters in that series. They are all handled very well though, and the series is about 65 episodes long, so almost as long as Korra will be. In that show I ended up caring for all the characters...hopefully by the end of next season we all feel the same way about Korra.
williamsan
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Loved the finale. Seeing Zaheer fly was amazing, was not disappointed at all when they looked over the cliff and saw him levitating just above the clouds...looked amazing. It was horrifying but awesome at the same time, you know? Laughed at how fast he was over Combustion Lady's head popping death (go Suyin!).
Korra's breakout scene was godly. Ghazan's face when she blows back the lava was perfectly pants shitting. I was sad to see him die actually, after their chummy conversation I thought he might redeem himself somehow by teaching Bolin the nuances of lava bending, but oh well. Liked the VA for Ghazan too, he sounds like a character from Skyrim.
I said out loud, "You stupid fuck." when Mako dropped into the watery sub-cavern chasing Ming Hua. Thankfully, he remembered how to shoot lighting haha.
I cringed when Suyin was pulling the metal from Korra. I thought to myself surely she's just had her insides rearranged. The ending was magnificent. Cueball Jinora made me laugh in a feel good sort of way. Poor Korra though, she just can't get a break lol.
Great finale! I don't understand the confusion about lava bending, was very obvious that Ghazan was swirling the earth fast enough for it to heat up and melt. If I remember correctly, do they not show this in detail the first time he does it? A bigger question is why can't metal benders lava bend. I was under the impression that metal heats up rather fast when it is bent and moulded, no? Anyway, can't wait for the 4th season, bring it on!
Korra's breakout scene was godly. Ghazan's face when she blows back the lava was perfectly pants shitting. I was sad to see him die actually, after their chummy conversation I thought he might redeem himself somehow by teaching Bolin the nuances of lava bending, but oh well. Liked the VA for Ghazan too, he sounds like a character from Skyrim.
I said out loud, "You stupid fuck." when Mako dropped into the watery sub-cavern chasing Ming Hua. Thankfully, he remembered how to shoot lighting haha.
I cringed when Suyin was pulling the metal from Korra. I thought to myself surely she's just had her insides rearranged. The ending was magnificent. Cueball Jinora made me laugh in a feel good sort of way. Poor Korra though, she just can't get a break lol.
Great finale! I don't understand the confusion about lava bending, was very obvious that Ghazan was swirling the earth fast enough for it to heat up and melt. If I remember correctly, do they not show this in detail the first time he does it? A bigger question is why can't metal benders lava bend. I was under the impression that metal heats up rather fast when it is bent and moulded, no? Anyway, can't wait for the 4th season, bring it on!
Admiral Woofington
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Kind of a hard comparison as FMA had a clear direction early on and didn't really introduce villains over and over again. So conflict was always going to be against the same baddies, which really does help in being able to expand other characters.
SlowRevolution
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was korra's dad climbing a fucking mountain with water bending? thats the best thing ive seen since azulas fire jet.
the sound during the combustion lady fight was so good.
calling shenanigans on that baby animal carrying all of them. bolin is gigantic. this show is not realistic. bryke are hack frauds.
this is a universe full of regrettable facial hair
they brought back the fire jet!
you can probably only show korra plummeting down a mountain so many times before it starts looking really goofy. they havent reached that number yet.
that whole fight. holy shit. this shows got such good music.
this season was pretty great.
the sound during the combustion lady fight was so good.
calling shenanigans on that baby animal carrying all of them. bolin is gigantic. this show is not realistic. bryke are hack frauds.
this is a universe full of regrettable facial hair
they brought back the fire jet!
you can probably only show korra plummeting down a mountain so many times before it starts looking really goofy. they havent reached that number yet.
that whole fight. holy shit. this shows got such good music.
this season was pretty great.
Hidden One
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She saw the poison earlier, and she saw it being bent. It was all shiny and metallic-looking, and maybe she'd seen one of the poison-benders unambiguously earth-bending at some point, since she'd been a prisoner there for a little while already.
Icyflamez96
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Who said metal benders can't learn to lava bend?
williamsan
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Not so much why can't they, more so why aren't they each and everytime they metal bend.
Icyflamez96
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Oh #AVATARPHYSICS
Admiral Woofington
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If we assume that A =/= B then the opposite of B =/= A holds true too?
I mean maybe they'll discover that some metal benders can lava bend too, and the opposite is true as well, but as of right now we assume the above considering that:
1. Metal benders need to have a talent not every earth bender has. I think it was one out of every hundred or so?
2. Bolin couldn't metal bend the whole season, then he discovers lava bending and everybody says "no wonder he couldn't metal bend he's a lava bender!" then Suyin says "I knew you had something special in you".
3. Ghazan was never shown metal bending even with multiple chances to do so, if they wanted to make it obvious that somebody can metal and lava bend this was their chance and they didn't do it so we can assume that seeing the above evidence and implications by the show itself, you either metal bend, lava bend, or neither.
Shrennin
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Ahh, gotcha! I must have not thought much about what Jinora was seeing when she was projecting herself where Korra was taken by the Red Lotust. I thought she just heard them talking about their plan, rather than actually showing the poison about to enter her body.
Aaron Strife
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It would be kind of neat if the "experience" he got from playing a waterbender in movers allowed him to understand waterbending a bit.
Man, the more I watch of this show the more it disappoints. There were some solid moments in the finale, but I feel like Korra is such a weak avatar. She loses every fight she's in, and only comes through when someone else comes to her aid. She never goes into the avatar form, and even when she does she gets beat by a dude that learned to air bend a week ago.
It's been a while since I've seen Aang's season, but I feel like his conflicts were written so much better. He wasn't losing every fight he was in, and when he popped the avatar form he got shit done.
Every one of Korra's fights are all the same: Have a elemental fight on the ground, lose, turn into avatar form and have a bigger fight, lose again, friend comes and saves the day.
It's been a while since I've seen Aang's season, but I feel like his conflicts were written so much better. He wasn't losing every fight he was in, and when he popped the avatar form he got shit done.
Every one of Korra's fights are all the same: Have a elemental fight on the ground, lose, turn into avatar form and have a bigger fight, lose again, friend comes and saves the day.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Okay so I just finished and, maybe it's just me, but does anyone else find it odd that suicide is such a viable method for villains to die? I mean, they seem to shy away from death already, and certainly don't want the heroes killing anyone, but suicide seems like its almost worst but this is the second time they've gone that route as a means for getting rid of a villain
This is addressed. Some say that that's the point.
Death with dignity seems to be why.
Not like P'li who was taken out in the most brutal way possible. I was still shocked that she was dead and thought perhaps she had made it. Wow.
Thats how I interpreted that awesome scene last season, the idea was showing that he had understanding of the fighting style of the waterbenders to the point that we could easily take down three of them and adapt to their style of fighting, his moves on that scene are pretty similar to Korra's and they even superimpose the footage of him waterbending on the movie. Theres certainly a precedent of bending variations being created by imitating waterbenders like Iroh did with lighting.
Aang never needed help ever
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