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Cirekiller said:
My biggest problem with Korra and her group this entire series is that they don't do anything, things happen to them. At almost all points of ATLA, Aang and his group are doing stuff to achieve a goal. They are always a step ahead of a majority of the bad guys (minus Azula) and they almost always take the initiative (saving Ba Sing Se, trying to take out the Fire Lord during the eclipse). While Korra and her group are constantly outsmarted and outmaneuvered by everyone. There is very little evidence that Korra's group of competent at all since they almost never have an advantage on their opponents. I think the biggest factor in this is the fact that in ATLA the gang had time to have more minor villains whom they can outsmart/beat up, which in turn makes villans like Azula more badass since she is always a step ahead of a clearly competent group of powerful benders (with a decent strategist). On the other hand we have Korra's group who almost always gets their asses handed to them in fights, and the bad guys run circles around them and make them look like idiots for falling for the most obvious traps. At this point, seeing a bad guy outsmart Korra is the norm, and it makes it harder for me to even care about the plot as its pretty much Korras group getting pulled around at the villains leisure until they somehow figure out how to beat them during the finale.
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This is just not true. Here are things where Korra or her team took initiative this season:

- Traveling the world to rebuild the air nation
- Rescuing the Earth Queen's imprisoned airbenders
- Detective work in Zaofu about the lie detector guy
- Chasing the lie detector guy

Then every single plot by the red lotus they managed to thwart and outsmart except the killing of the Earth Queen, which was completely secret.
 
Hamlet said:
Water is most likely too deep to actually reach the earth so far down. Now Ming-Hua is the interesting one considering she's a pretty damned powerful waterbender, you kinda wonder how they gave her water to drink.
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Wow, this is fridge horror. She was probably almost dehydrated most of the time. Being in a active volcano and can't be givemn too much water at once, having no hands to eat. I imagine her havinh to eat from the ground like a dog.
 
Chariot said:
Wow, this is fridge horror. She was probably almost dehydrated most of the time. Being in a active volcano and can't be givemn too much water at once, having no hands to eat. I imagine her havinh to eat from the ground like a dog.
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And to think Ming-Hua was in there for 13 years its a wonder she managed to remain sane after such a long time. I suppose making up stories about the guards helped a bit but still 13 years is a looong time.
 
jimbosimbo43 said:
3. I know Korra's severed her link to the past avatars, but she just seems so weak. How can an Avatar with years of training, mastered 4 elements not even go toe to toe with a guy has been air bending for a few weeks ..
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For people not getting this, the main reason why Korra was losing (and barely, at that) to Zaheer in that fight was because she was poisoned by Mercury. Common effects of Mercury poisoning include muscle weakness, hallucinations, sensory deprivation, mood swings, and nerve destruction. Korra isn't exactly in any shape to be fighting at this time.

These symptoms also explain why Korra is in a wheelchair, the effect of Mercury Poisoning is long lasting and physical therapy and rest is required for healing. Also, Liquid Mercury is organic (this is why it's so poisonous compared to pure mercury) which is why metalbenders can get rid of it.
 
Loofy said:
I think in general Korras just weak. She'd probably lose to 12 year old Aang.
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Strength wise, no Korra seems stronger than Aang. Aang would win however because, like Zaheer, Aang's airbending style is all about dodging attacks and striking when your oponent makes a mistake.
 
DangerMouse said:
Hmmm, I believe they've shown it's not weaker the power comes from Raava, what she doesn't have though is the experiences of the past lives or obviously the ability to talk with them anymore though. So maybe it's weaker in the sense that she probably can't like lavabend since she doesn't know how and she doesn't have any passed lives that do anymore either, but I think the power itself isn't weaker.
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Plus I imagine the loss of previous lives in the avatar state would hurt an avatar like Aang a lot more than Korra. Since Korra is already such a powerhouse, she probably doesn't need the fighting skills of previous avatars as much as Aang did; the power boost from Raava alone is enough. Instead, the lack of advice is what hurts Korra since that's where she struggles (not that she ever utilized it when she had a chance). Korra's just lucky she still has her obi-wan and that she can get cheat notes from Iroh
 
xaszatm said:
Strength wise, no Korra seems stronger than Aang. Aang would win however because, like Zaheer, Aang's airbending style is all about dodging attacks and striking when your oponent makes a mistake.
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Yeah, Korra has probably more brute strength, but to a fight there is far more than that. Aang would outdance her - or just flee if she is really stronger than him. Korra has few means to actually keep somebody from leaving.
 
Korra would beat Aang's ass as badly as Toph beat his ass in the original series. Plus let's not forget that Aang is a doofus who would probably get himself captured mid fight.
 
The difference between fighting styles of Aang and Korra is that Aang tends to be more creative given the situation he finds himself in and the fact that his teachers were more creative as well. Whereas Korra fights head on and her teachers aren't really that special so they probably just taught her the styles and stances and she quickly mastered them and that was that.

Think Aang vs. Ozai where he used the 4 elements as mostly defense and surrounded himself with them. Where Korra used the 4 elements to boost herself and to fucking launch mountains at Zaheer. Like she literally moved some of the biggest object we've ever seen a bender throw at someone. Those things were the size of sky scrapers!

Kyoshi splitting the land not withstanding.
 
xaszatm said:
For people not getting this, the main reason why Korra was losing (and barely, at that) to Zaheer in that fight was because she was poisoned by Mercury. Common effects of Mercury poisoning include muscle weakness, hallucinations, sensory deprivation, mood swings, and nerve destruction. Korra isn't exactly in any shape to be fighting at this time.

These symptoms also explain why Korra is in a wheelchair, the effect of Mercury Poisoning is long lasting and physical therapy and rest is required for healing. Also, Liquid Mercury is organic (this is why it's so poisonous compared to pure mercury) which is why metalbenders can get rid of it.
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Apologies im not just referring to the last scenes in this post. Im referring to all the showdowns with Zaheer, of which there has been a few.
 
jackissocool said:
This is just not true. Here are things where Korra or her team took initiative this season:

- Traveling the world to rebuild the air nation
- Rescuing the Earth Queen's imprisoned airbenders
- Detective work in Zaofu about the lie detector guy
- Chasing the lie detector guy

Then every single plot by the red lotus they managed to thwart and outsmart except the killing of the Earth Queen, which was completely secret.
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I didn't say that they never take the initiative, and I was taking about the series at a whole. This season is certainly better in this regard. However if you look at the r end result of some of your examples : the detective work is Zaofu ultimately has Zaheer figure out korras location and then outsmarted her by distracting her while his team moved into place. Then the group gets messed up by the bad guys and mako and Bolin get captured.

I'm not saying that korras group are a bunch of vegetables, but a majority of the time they are making up for mistakes or working goon fixing an issue cause by their getting outfitted. They had already caught the lirr detector guy but spend the better part of an episode taking him down. Not to mention said person had so little fear of them actually tracking him down that he made no attempt at subterfuge, he was spotted out instantly.

I think that the issue her is that none of the villains in korra enact their final plan until the season finale so the good guys have nothing to work up to to beat the bad guys. In ATLA the firelord had already won, and Gaang had to little by little either thwart the bad guys plan or overthrow the firelords influence in an area. In korra its just a while goosechase till the last few episodes.
 
jimbosimbo43 said:
Apologies im not just referring to the last scenes in this post. Im referring to all the showdowns with Zaheer, of which there has been a few.
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When did Korra ever get a fair fight with Zaheer? The Red Lotus went out of their way to avoid a fair straight on fight with her and she still beat their asses.

It's everyone else who struggled with the Red Lotus
 
jimbosimbo43 said:
Apologies im not just referring to the last scenes in this post. Im referring to all the showdowns with Zaheer, of which there has been a few.
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But how many showdowns did Zaheer actually win by himself? A grand total of 2, both of which his goal wasn't to defeat his opponent but to run away. Zaheer only wins because he catches his opponents off guard or because he has three of the most talented benders at his side. When faced against actual competition like Tenzin, it is shown just how unskilled he truly is.

Edit: Hell, the Red Lotus doesn't really have a good track record anyway. Ultimately, they succeeded in only 3 goals, escaping and capturing the Air temple, and killing the Earth Queen (which really shouldn't count, given how weak she was)
 
grandjedi6 said:
Korra's just lucky she still has her obi-wan and that she can get cheat notes from Iroh
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Had
Tenzin died
(spoiler tagged for those that haven't watch the episode yet), it would have made for an interesting next season, with Korra just completely lost. Could be a neat story,
 
grandjedi6 said:
Korra would beat Aang's ass as badly as Toph beat his ass in the original series. Plus let's not forget that Aang is a doofus who would probably get himself captured mid fight.
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I don't know about adult Aang. But is it fair comparing Korra who is an adult and had her entire upbringing of training vs Aang who was a little kid and was just told he was the Avatar. I would say given the short amount of time, Aang was extremely powerful especially with the Avatar state (due to his deep spiritual connection). I actually think Book 3 Aang in Avatar state could take Korra in her Avatar state just because Aang was always stronger with it. Korra would best him with her technical fighting. But I'm not sure that matters as much if we are talking avatar state vs avatar state (and I mean Korra's avatar state before she lost her past connections). Keep in mind even when Korra had those past connections she had a hard time connecting to them. Even when she could she never IMO had the same connection and full power of it the way Aang did.

So even if Aang couldn't take her, he would still come close in the Avatar state and that's damn impressive given his age and lack of training. Now adult Aang vs Korra....

I get why these discussions come up tough ie. people put Aang up on a pedestal vs. Korra (who they are super critical of). But at least to me, I feel like people kind of miss the point with it (trying to compare the two directly in terms of power). IMO Aang was just a better character, simply because of the way the writers approached his character. I don't hate Korra on paper. I actually liked her for most of Book 1. But she was insufferable for a lot of Book 2. Aang wasn't without his flaws though (remember when he selfishly destroyed Katara and Sokka's letter that was addressed to them from their father? Remember when Aang got angry at Katara for not knowing how she felt about him right that second...) Aang was not perfect by any means. But I just think he was a more likable character overall (or rather his arc was lot less fatiguing and made him more likable).

Aang's flaws could be explained by his young age. Korra's flaws could be explained by her being raised in isolation and having zero world experience. Both have instances where they were really douchey people because of these flaws. I just think Korra's flaws were a lot more frustrating from Book 1 and 2 then Aang's ever were (but that again comes back to the series format, and also the writers laziness in thinking the only way for Korra redemption to work, is to make the audience really hate her before she has her change). But yeah in terms of raw power, Korra is probably stronger than Aang (at least the Aang we knew), no doubt.
 
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Azula said:
I don't know about adult Aang. But is it fair comparing Korra who is an adult and had her entire upbringing of training vs Aang who was a little kid and was just told he was the Avatar. I would say given the short amount of time, Aang was extremely powerful especially with the Avatar state (due to his deep spiritual connection). I actually think Book 3 Aang in Avatar state could take Korra in her Avatar state just because Aang was always stronger with it. Korra would best him with her technical fighting. But I'm not sure that matters as much if we are talking avatar state vs avatar state (and I mean Korra's avatar state before she lost her past connections). Keep in mind even when Korra had those past connections she had a hard time connecting to them. Even when she could she never IMO had the same connection and full power of it the way Aang did.

So even if Aang couldn't take her, he would still come close in the Avatar state and that's damn impressive given his age and lack of training. Now adult Aang vs Korra....

I get why these discussions come up tough ie. people put Aang up on a pedestal vs. Korra (who they are super critical of). But at least to me, I feel like people kind of miss the point with it (trying to compare the two directly in terms of power). IMO Aang was just a better character, simply because of the way the writers approached his character. I don't hate Korra on paper. I actually liked her for most of Book 1. But she was insufferable for a lot of Book 2. Aang wasn't without his flaws though (remember when he selfishly destroyed Katara and Sokka's letter that was address to them from their father? Remember when Aang got angry at Katara for not knowing how she felt about him right that second...) Aang was not perfect by any means. But I just think he was a more likable character overall (or rather his arc was lot less fatiguing and made him more likable).

Aang's flaws could be explained by his young age. Korra's flaws could be explained by her being raised in isolation and having zero world experience. Both have instances where they were really douchey people because of these flaws. I just think Korra's were a lot more frustrating from Book 1 and 2 then Aang's ever were (but that again comes back to the series format, and also the writers laziness in thinking the only way for Korra redemption to work, is to make the audience really hate her before she has her change).
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And additionally, both faced (will face) humbling experiences where they overcome these flaws. Aang witnesses many friends get captured coupled with the revelation of over 100 years of war which (in B3E01) he blames himself for and decides he's had enough running. He grows and overcomes his fear of killing to find a way of defeating Ozai and restoring balance.

Korra, after this series' events, grows in the opposite direction in that her depiction of a purely heroic avatar without any consideration for the ideology involved (Amon:non benders; Unalaq: Spirits and the separation of the two worlds; and now Zaheer with the true freedom bit). Surely the creators will handle Korra's character very carefully in Book 4 to find some middle ground between courage and cowardice, to achieve balance and have her overcome her grief just as Aang did.
 
If Korra and Aang switched places, Korra would have totally killed Ozai. If that's one thing I like about Korra is she doesn't just break down at the thought of having to kill someone. Ozai murdered thousands, tens of thousands and was on his way to committing genocide and despite his past avatars telling him he had to kill Ozai, Aang still refused to do it.

jimbosimbo43 said:
Good enough Finale, just a few gripes.


3. I know Korra's severed her link to the past avatars, but she just seems so weak. How can an Avatar with years of training, mastered 4 elements not even go toe to toe with a guy has been air bending for a few weeks ..

I hope next season we see a tougher (both emotionally and physically) Korra and more use of the avatar state (one of my favourite things about the Avatar)
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The bending in this show is toned down. It's not as fantastical and showy as it was in Avatar.
 
I still think the writers will be lazy and will default back to Asami x Mako. I mean, they really have nothing else built up to or set up going into the final run of episodes. So if they are going to have any romance, it will have to be with Opal/Bolin (which is cringe as hell), and Jinora and Kai (which they were alright by the end Book 3). But none of the main cast really were pushed in any direction. So either they just don't go there (and the main cast has no romance, which I'm 100% okay with), or they just fall back on something they've done in the past (ie. Korra x Mako or Mako x Asami).

If you believe the writers, then Mako x Korra is 100% over. If you believe in Satch, the writers are liars and we'll all be in hell come Book 4. :D I personally got them vibes with Korra x Mako this season (a lot of moments that felt like shipper fuel). But it's possible those moments were just mis-read (because Mako was trying to get back to being a close friend without the awkwardness).

inb4 Asami ends up marrying Iroh Jr. and they set off into the sunset. She's too high class for these suckas.
 
Azula said:
I still think the writers will be lazy and will default back to Asami x Mako. I mean, they really have nothing else built up to or set up going into the final run of episodes. So if they are going to have any romance, it will have to be with Opal/Bolin (which is cringe as hell), and Jinora and Kai (which they were alright by the end Book 3). But none of the main cast really were pushed in any direction. So either they just don't go there (and the main cast has no romance, which I'm 100% okay with), or they just fall back on something they've done in the past (ie. Korra x Mako or Mako x Asami).

If you believe the writers, then Mako x Korra is 100% over. If you believe in Satch, the writers are liars and we'll all be in hell come Book 4. :D I personally got them vibes with Korra x Mako this season (a lot of moments that felt like shipper fuel). But it's possible those moments were just mis-read (because Mako was trying to get back to being a close friend of her that he cared about without the awkwardness).

inb4 Asami ends up marrying Iroh Jr. and they set off into the sunset. She's too high class for these suckas.
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IrohSami was my pick in Season 1 before learning that he's in his thirties 0.o
 
AniHawk said:
every past avatar has fucked up in some major way anyhow. aang introduced the concept of energybending to the world at large, roku didn't stop ron perlman, kuruk was consumed by earthly connections leading to his demise at the hand of koh, and kyoshi created the god damned dai li. good job, kyoshi.

yangchen had all her shit together though. good for her.
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Wasn't it insinuated that Yangchen used fear to whip the world into shape for 2 centuries (1 of them after her death which is why Kuruk was such a slacker)?

Granted whatever she did it worked so I'm not complaining.
 
Loofy said:
I think in general Korras just weak. She'd probably lose to 12 year old Aang.
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Bullshit. Without being able to resort to Avatar state Korra would destroy Aang. The problem is the villains in Korra all know of the Avatar and are MUCH stronger. The strongest in Last Airbender are like mid tier in Korra

jimbosimbo43 said:
3. I know Korra's severed her link to the past avatars, but she just seems so weak. How can an Avatar with years of training, mastered 4 elements not even go toe to toe with a guy has been air bending for a few weeks ..
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Uhh, because she was freakin poisoned? Did you miss the whole first half of the episode? You know, the part where they intentionally gave her something that would leave her near dead?!
 
AlimNassor said:
If Korra and Aang switched places, Korra would have totally killed Ozai. If that's one thing I like about Korra is she doesn't just break down at the thought of having to kill someone. Ozai murdered thousands, tens of thousands and was on his way to committing genocide and despite his past avatars telling him he had to kill Ozai, Aang still refused to do it.
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He was raised his whole life to not take the life of others so willy nilly, he even makes it explicitly clear that without the air nation there is nobody else in the world to remember his 'family' and culture. He was a very deeply cultural and spiritual guy, heck in the comics that take place post- main series
he gets insulted over a group of girls who form an Aang fan club putting on full body tattoos when it means so much to his culture
. I see nothing wrong with a protagonist who is not willing to kill for cultural reasons and because he's afraid, he's a like around a 14-15 year old kid at the oldest when the 3rd season was ending if at all. And by refusing to just kill him, which he had plenty of chances to do throughout the battle because of how much ass he whooped, he discovered something badass that as far as the show goes no other Avatar ever did. Korra was given this power by Aang in deus ex machina in what is one of the biggest bullshit moves in Avatar history, no clue why they didn't take away Zaheer's bending at the end.

If we have to compare Korra and Aang, how about we do it fairly and compare an Aang who was an actual master of the four elements vs somebody who had recently learned them a few seasons ago and didn't properly incorporate them? Aang was extremely light on his feet, how many times was he able to run fast as all hell and even run up the wall of Ba Sing Se? He was already extremely proficient as an air bender when he was like 12 earning the rank of airbending master.

If we compare Korra vs adult Aang, one who is way more spiritual at that, I can see the fight going Aang's way because he was creative. He even put on crystal armor once.


edit: on an unrelated note, I never really thought about it, but how much fear for your enemy must the fire nation have had to use Sozen's comet to wipe out the air nation? That must've truly meant that the air nation was something they considered so dangerous that they knew that if given a fair fight alongside the other nations they could have won the war
 
I enjoyed the season finale.

Zahir's plan was FRIGGIN STUPID.
It is documented that in the avatar state, the avatar can throw entire islands on a whim. Why did he think that 4 platinum chains attached to NORMAL STONE would hold her? Even if it reduced her power 75%, this is a trap that literally every earth bender should be able to escape.

I really did want him to be smarter than that. I wanted the generals of the Red Lotus to be smarter than "WOOOO ANARCHY! KILLIN' STUFF BECAUSE REASONS!" Pretty easy to see why Unalaq didn't want to work with these idiots.

But there ARE people like that, so it's fine. Season 4 is gonna be interesting

Bold One said:
I assumed he was on meth or some sort of sugar high....all the time
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He's still sad about losing his Yandere waifu.
 
Azula said:
I mean, they really have nothing else built up to or set up going into the final run of episodes.
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Korra and Asami had a lot of time together this season. Some effort definitely went into their friendship. She has been supportive and available all season, while nothing was built between Mako and Korra. And it will be jarring to have Mako become the character that Korra finds solace in next season, considering that's all Asami was doing for the past season while Mako was busy being a chump.
 
I think the main problem for the plan was, that P'li died. Korra would've been relatively helpless against that thing, since you can just blow it away or something and the beam itself is very fast. If Ms Plosionman would've been there Korra wouldn't have the time to escape, even in the avatar state. The five seconds Korra needed to break completely free would've been enough for P'li to blow her up.
 
I still highly doubt they'll make Korrasami, I assume people are joking if they really think that's the way they go. I mean we've seen no hint of Korra seeing her this way, while Asami hasn't had proper characterization so maybe the writers could sneak in that Mako made her realize she was into ladies.

Ifrit said:
Has it been confirmed there was going to be a season four?

I know they were working on it, but the last episodes not being shown on tv really sounds like a red flag

I hope korra doesn't get cancelled
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When the first show was first moved to online one of the creators assured audiences that season 4 was really into production already, which I took as it was already being animated and/or in the initial processes of voice recording, so cancellation at this point with only one season to go and it already under way is extremely unlikely. I could see Nick not taking chances on another Avatar series directly though.
 
Has it been confirmed there was going to be a season four?

I know they were working on it, but the last episodes not being shown on tv really sounds like a red flag

I hope korra doesn't get cancelled
 
Admiral Woofington said:
He was raised his whole life to not take the life of others so willy nilly, he even makes it explicitly clear that without the air nation there is nobody else in the world to remember his 'family' and culture. He was a very deeply cultural and spiritual guy,
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It has more to do Aang's individual personality rather than him being an airbender. Yangchen would have destroyed Ozai without an issue, for example.

Aang was given energybending almost as free as Korra was given energybending. There's a reason people said that Aang Lion Turtle'd Korra,

Sozin destroyed the air nation because that's where the next avatar would come from. As a military threat, they weren't "scary" per se. Formidable, yes, but the air nomads had no formal army.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I still highly doubt they'll make Korrasami, I assume people are joking if they really think that's the way they go. I mean we've seen no hint of Korra seeing her this way, while Asami hasn't had proper characterization so maybe the writers could sneak in that Mako made her realize she was into ladies.
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I would like to see it, just to see Mako's face when he realizes that two woman decided they're not into man after dating him.
 
Really do think that they mistitled books 1 and 3. Book 1 has fuck all to do about Air, but it definitely has so much change. It's a change of Avatar, a change of time and setting, a change of the kind of threats the world faces now. Even the final line from Aang is about the greatest change.

AlimNassor said:
If Korra and Aang switched places, Korra would have totally killed Ozai. If that's one thing I like about Korra is she doesn't just break down at the thought of having to kill someone. Ozai murdered thousands, tens of thousands and was on his way to committing genocide and despite his past avatars telling him he had to kill Ozai, Aang still refused to do it.
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They didn't tell him to kill Ozai.
 
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