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I want you to change your avatar. To a male character. That isn't you.

MWUAHAHAHAHAHA
That's cheap, I prefer females, but I have problem with male avatars. You should add something like "no anime or cartoon", "no person you like" or something like that. Well, if it comes to this, I gladly let you pick an avatar or the content of the avatar for me.

lol if Opal and Su are evil, they will REALLY REALLY REALLY need to try hard to make it all fit together, in way that doesn't feel contrived. I'm totally down if they can pull that sort of thing off. But the way they've handled over-arching plot before, doesn't really have me too enthusiastic.

I really do not understand why Su didn't just kill Korra when she had so many chances. Why Zaheer and co. didn't have more advantages given she had direct access to Korra. And lastly, I don't even see why she needed to kill P'Li. I mean, she could have told P'Li to NOT kill her sister beforehand (to just fight her but not murder her).

It seems really silly, this idea that Su is working with Zaheer, and yet helps destroy him. I get that she would need to stay undercover (I mean I guess), but damn. Just can't get my head around it. Would be pretty crazy way to end Lin and Bolin's plot too (both of them being betrayed by evil people). Would be a very dark end for them lmao.
I think there aren't many people here who support EvilSu. Only Opal, guardwomand and Tenzins wife.
 
Bolin hasn't gotten a proper waifu.

Season 1 the woman he clicked the most with ignored him because he wasn't a brooding bad boy. Good thing all their chemistry is gone now.

Season 2 he got entangled by a psycho ice princess who treated him like an object, and a woman who didn't care for him until he became famous and was the center of attention for a moment.

He finally found his waifu. Stop trying to take her away from him. You monsters.

That's cheap, I prefer females, but I have problem with male avatars. You should add something like "no anime or cartoon", "no person you like" or something like that. Well, if it comes to this, I gladly let you pick an avatar or the content of the avatar for me. .

Lol I'm just fucking around with you, you can choose whatever you like to show your remorse. The enjoyment of knowing I was right will be enough for me, that will only be a bonus.

I'm going for 2/2. Just hope Htown doesn't join my side, that's a bad omen.
 
That's cheap, I prefer females, but I have problem with male avatars. You should add something like "no anime or cartoon", "no person you like" or something like that. Well, if it comes to this, I gladly let you pick an avatar or the content of the avatar for me.

I think there aren't many people here who support EvilSu. Only Opal, guardwomand and Tenzins wife.

So like, everyone in Su's life is using her? Lol the Captain? Aiwei...and Opal? I dunno seems kind of crazy. I guess I could see them doing a plot where Opal became like her mom, and rebelled against her. But I dunno. Opal really didn't do much to help the cause if she's connected.
 
The captain lady is the only one I can see being evil. Opal and Su would be a hard sell with how they've developed so far. Tenzin's wife is just WTF?
 
That captain, Kouvera...I got a vibe she'd try to sway Tenzin, make him cheat on his wife for some reason.

Then again, it's Nickelodeon, so I'm probably hallucinating that they would even consider that.
 
The captain lady is the only one I can see being evil. Opal and Su would be a hard sell with how they've developed so far. Tenzin's wife is just WTF?

Sounds like a bad anime.

The captain is clearly bad. The music played during the scene was ominous (and the obvious pan on her face).
 
If a woman smiles and looks at you in any way that isn't blank, she's evil or trying to bang.

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Goddamn, moving in to a new apartment is a pain in the ass.

I couldn't make any replies, but I've been following the thread. Thank you to whose who said kind words said about my post about a thousand pages ago.

I was going to write up a more comprehensive review on the finale itself, but most of the topics that I would have gotten at were covered at some point or another, so I'll try to keep it fresh.

One thing I want to add is that, ultimately, this season had too many characters. The way I perceive things, Change was supposed to be a season of character development, of both characters and even organizations. But change into what, is the question, because change for change's sake is not meaningful in and of itself. Take Kai for example. He is a fairly well written character who got an arc from an obnoxious asshole into a somewhat likable kid. He should have had a minimal role. He's good, but his change is not meaningful or relevant to the one Korra goes through. He just decided he liked the people of the air nation and went with them instead. As much as I feel that the way Zaheer was beaten is true to the heart of TLA's themes, I'm not sure Korra noticed that. For all I know, she's just mourning her brutal loss like anyone would be, but not learning that strength doesn't conquer all. That's why I feel Book 3 ended at kind of a wierd place. Even Book 2: Earth ultimately ended on a happy note for Aang, with him being glad to just have been saved and leaving that cave with his life. It's next season that the bad implications of what happened there set in. Korra's sad tear at Jinora's crowing moment seems to indicate a hopelessness on her part. I hope it doesn't, but who knows. And without Korra's acceptance of the importance of family, Kai's acceptance of it doesn't come off as meaningful in the overall perspective. In any case, Jinora should have been the one who got that kind of developmental arc, partially because she's already Korra's family, partially because it would have made for a stronger scene if Jinora was the one who connected with all the airbenders in prison when she called upon them to help her friend, and partially because....there's no real reason for Kai to exist, except maybe as the main face of the new airbenders, which he could have handled as a side character. Her getting damseled twice this season didn't help either.

Suyin and Lin's story also works in the theme of family, but for the same reasons as above, it doesn't come off as relevant enough to have been given the time it was given. So much time was spent just introducing Suyin's character and whole family, have Lin and Suyin fight for about an episode, to resolve it, only to have that resolution not come into play later on. Like, if the same events happened, but without Suyin and Lin making up, I doubt anything would have been different. I doubt Suyin would have let Lin die in Pli's fight, and I doubt that Lin would refuse to work with someone she disliked for personal reasons when the avatar's life was in danger. So if Suyin's and Lin's story are going to remain relevant, they have to fit in thematically somehow. Again, the 'family'' theme comes up, but does Korra incorporate that?

Mako and Bolin's is the most out there. First they have the family that would fit in the theme....but they don't do anything with them. Mako's 'change', such as it is, is that he and Korra....don't feel as awkward around each other...taht's it. Bolin obviously got lavabending, but that was completely unrelated to anything going on. He just got it because otherwise the writers had nothing to do with him. There's certainly no reason given why he is able to lava bend. It'd have been cool if he actually got the technique from his family, who heard about it or something and said the mechanics of it. Would fit in the theme, but...it doesn't.

And Asami....Asami and Korra's relationship developed the tinsiest bit in the first episode, and they did nothing with it afterwards. They just spent more onscreen time together, and that's it. Then there is a ton of just random things that really have no real point except as funny distractions. Verrick ended up doing nothing that couldn't have happened without him. That scene with Korra and the lazy kid. Who the fuck knows why Kuvira was introduced randomly. Zuko contributed fuck all.

The season should have primarily focused on 1. Tenzin and the airbenders, tying in with Jinora's growth 2. Korra's development as the avatar and her development with her friends and 3. Zaheer's team. When the theme is change, you have to cut out the characters that don't contribute to that change, even if we ended up liking Kai a bit.
 
I doubt Suyin and Opal would ever turn out to be evil, but I could definitely a series of events leading to a big rift between them (certainly Suyin) and the Krew. Along the lines of, say, spirits messing with their city like they're doing with Ba Sing Se, Suyin wants to corral them in using bending while Korra & co. want them left alone. I hope they don't go that route though and I doubt they will. To be honest I'm more worried they sideline them, turning focus to new characters in the Fire Nation, worsening one of the show's continuing problems - spreading itself too thin in an effort to develop too many characters and thereby not writing any of them to a standard comparable to the best from the original.
 
i think there was some implication that Iroh treated her differently in part because she was a girl and Azula resented him for it

i dont remember what episode it was, but there was a flashback scene one time that showed Iroh coming back from war or something, and he brought each of them gifts:

Zuko got a cool dagger
Azula got a doll

i dislike Iroh more than most people, and this is partially why. zuko and azula were both being abused, just in different ways. its just that Iroh needed someone to fill the void that was left behind when he lost his son - there was no way azula could ever measure up to zuko in that department no matter what she did.

Wow, I'm amazed that someone doesn't like Iroh. He was my third favorite character in the show after Sokka and Toph.
 
Wow, I'm amazed that someone doesn't like Iroh. He was my third favorite character in the show after Sokka and Toph.

I was surprised, too. Iroh is my favorite character. His realization that he was misguided and subsequent character change led to his role as a mentor for Zuko. His quaint wisdom, but powerful fighting ability were such dynamic opposites, but still made sense. Also, as an uncle myself, I understand not being as aware of my nieces and nephews likes and dislikes. As a father, I recognize that Ozai's the monster, not Iroh.
 
Sure it would be interesting, but you stated that the show should just be "was all about tying loose ends with the original cast", and this is just wrong.
Yes. The flashbacks in season 1 had everyone on their toes.. though the actual reveal in the end wasnt that interesting(random blood bender that ran into Aang). As with Zuko the show is pretty much treating the old cast as nothing but cameos.
If next season finally deals with revealing everything about Aangs time I guarantee you it will easily be the best season.
 
We could say the same for Zuko as well, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't happy to see him again, too.

On the subject of Kuvira, Zuko and other characters that seemingly didn't have much to do in Book 3, I believe we should hold out until Book 4 in order to judge whether their presence was insignificant in the long run.

Kuvira, duh, we've all already discussed that. But I think that Zuko's presence at the very end of the season at Jinora's ceremony, talking about the need to still go after the Red Lotus and apparently back from the Fire Nation momentarily, was meant to signal the continuing participation into Book 4.

I'm almost certain we'll see the Fire Nation in the final Book, with Zuko still around.
 
RL did so much shit to ensure Korra would be contained after she went avatar state and she busted out in less than five seconds.

They dropped the ball big time on that.
 
RL did so much shit to ensure Korra would be contained after she went avatar state and she busted out in less than five seconds.

They dropped the ball big time on that.

I don't think they could have practiced on a fake Korra in the meantime. They didn't realize how strong she could be.
 
Just got caught up on this shit. Wow that ending was super depressing. Talk about a downer.

This season was good, better than last for sure, about even with the first I guess. The show still hasn't really come together enough for me like AtLA did almost from the start. Though I always hated Zuko. I think the lack of a strong overarching goal, thus requiring new menaces each season hurts the serie's trajectory and overall character development. I like the cast more or less, but I never really feel like we're going anywhere. Korra is always at a major disadvantage, even though she really shouldn't. Glad there wasn't any romance issues this season as well. Issues aside, it's still a very entertaining show with awesome art and animation. I love Tenzin's kids so much.
 
RL did so much shit to ensure Korra would be contained after she went avatar state and she busted out in less than five seconds.

They dropped the ball big time on that.

To be fair, I don't think any method would have worked. I mean if their goal is to kill the Avatar cycle forever, they had to I. force her into the avatar state. II. Actually kill her in the state.

At least the plan succeeded in forcing her into it. And it also ensured that she would be weakened (all they had to do if they couldn't kill her right away, is stall until the poison killed her). I actually think it was a rather clever plan (the poison method).
 
To be fair, I don't think any method would have worked. I mean if their goal is to kill the Avatar cycle forever, they had to I. force her into the avatar state. II. Actually kill her in the state.

At least the plan succeeded in forcing her into it. And it also ensured that she would be weakened (all they had to do if they couldn't kill her right away, is stall until the poison killed her). I actually think it was a rather clever plan (the poison method).

Yeah it was clever plan with the poison and I'm sure it would have gone a lot better for them if P'Li was still around. Wouldn't have been too much of an effort for her to take take a shot at Korra in the chains as soon as she went into the avatar state.
 
Yeah it was clever plan with the poison and I'm sure it would have gone a lot better for them if P'Li was still around. Wouldn't have been too much of an effort for her to take take a shot at Korra in the chains as soon as she went into the avatar state.

That's a great point too. I'm sure the original plan was for P'Li to blast her the second she went into the Avatar State. They couldn't predict her death.
 
seems like a bad idea not to encase her in platinum and lower it into the lava.

did they even know she could metal bend?

No because she learned it and the night after Zaheer attacked them and carried her out paralyzed. We didn't see her use much metalbending against them. Interesting enough, they really didnt have that many encounters to begin with.
 

haha oh geez
If Suyin or Opal are evil I'll be eating Crow as I am in resolute in my stand that neither of them are evil especially after all they've done for Korra. Its the whole Asami is evil from season 1 again.

That's a great point too. I'm sure the original plan was for P'Li to blast her the second she went into the Avatar State. They couldn't predict her death.

More evidence that Suyin ain't evil unless she's the most dedicated undercover agent the world has ever seen. Though I kinda feel bad for her if Kuvira does end being a villain because that would mean two very high-profile undercover agents in less than a year turning against Suyin. Would definitely have an big impact on her and her ability to trust people again I'm assuming.
 
haha oh geez
If Suyin or Opal are evil I'll be eating Crow as I am in resolute in my stand that neither of them are evil especially after all they've done for Korra. Its the whole Asami is evil from season 1 again.



More evidence that Suyin ain't evil unless she's the most dedicated undercover agent the world has ever seen. Though I kinda feel bad for her if Kuvira does end being a villain because that would mean two very high-profile undercover agents in less than a year turning against Suyin. Would definitely have an big impact on her and her ability to trust people again I'm assuming.

Yeah, honestly I have a really hard time seeing how they can make Su being evil work. I mean, if Su was really apart of the Red Lotus, then that means her goal was the same as their goal. And if their ultimate goal was to kill the Avatar Cycle, then why the hell would she even commit to a cover at a certain point in the plot.

But really, if you are Su and are undercover, she has unprecedented access to the Avatar. That means she would have known all her plans, and Zaheer and co should have had more of an up then they already did. Also, why would Su even bother coming up with a plan to have all those people scale the mountain where Korra was being handed over.
 
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