On one hand I do have to say that she should not have announced that she was leaving home on Twitter, basically shouting it out to the whole planet by doing that. On the other, wow, just... Wow. This is revolting. Whoever that Dobson guy is that threatened her forfeits his right to be a man, and needs to FOAD.
Tropes vs Women author Sarkeesian vacates home following online threats
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EdibleKnife
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Why exactly is publishing it online frowned upon exactly? In all, nothing was lost or gained in publishing it other than letting people know that the exact type of thing she fights for occurs.
Is anything going to happen to this guy? Please say yes.
I'm sorry but I do not understand your first sentence?
I said I have never been in her situation so I have no idea what I would do if it happened. But it's easy to think of what I would do?
I'm not frowning upon it. But does it not encourage people to act like this on her next video as well? It will make some idiot think he can "win" against her?
reptilescorpio
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Mannnnnnnnnn that's so fucked up 
The whole internet stalker thing is so fucking scary to me. You never know if these arseholes are actual loons who could turn up and do something.
The whole internet stalker thing is so fucking scary to me. You never know if these arseholes are actual loons who could turn up and do something.
"have to"?
EdibleKnife
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She should be concerned for her own safety and wants in the moment and not some future scenarios or the feeling of some yahoo in the multitude of yahoos that message her everyday.
plagiarize
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If my platform is 'Man didn't walk on the moon' and I get death threats, the fact I got death threats is not relevant to my cause.
If my platform is 'Anytime someone speaks out about sexism in games, they get death threats' then it's very relevant to my cause to bring it to light should I receive death threats.
It is logical for Anita to publically bring notice to what she has faced.
Omg why is this starting? One person says it and suddenly more are agreeing. Jfc I swear...
Ffs, if she says nothing, she's not informing the rest of us about the overall struggle she has to face by doing her videos. If she lets us know, people can go on the lookout. Maybe someone knows who's responsible? Maybe someone can help? You can't suffer in silence, it's not going to keep you safe!
Just thought I'd throw my two cents into what I assumed was being debated on the current page >.>
The Spoony Hou
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Visibility doesn't really matter on a large scale. Devolution posts her thoughts about sexism, and this happens to her all the time on GAF, YouTube comments, related subreddits, Twitter, etc:
This is a woman who just posts on this gaming forum. Anita broadcasts to millions. I can't imagine what's happening to her every moment of every day.
I don't believe I know her, but it's really sad... I didn't know things were that hard, I wish I could do something to help. Guess I'll try to spread the word whenever I can. Thanks.
To an extent this is true. But how does announcing it increase her safety right now? Leaving the house to a safe place should have been enough. I'm just saying what I am thinking I would do in her situation.
It's not a good situation and I get what your saying. Its looking like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation going off what has been said and I didn't mean to criticize in any way.
charlequin
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Maybe she's balancing her own safety (which she's protecting by leaving the house) with the responsibility she feels to shed light on the rampant misogyny that she encounters (which she's doing by revealing the threats)?
Bobby Roberts
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I personally would trade the hypothetical delight the harasser might have felt in learning their tactic got my attention in return for knowing my speaking up about the harassment will lead to a huge spotlight on the negative behavior endemic to the industry and its audience, in the hopes said spotlight might encourage some level of correction.
I think that's a pretty good trade, overall.
Exactly.
Bruiser seems to be approaching this from some sort of "strategic" standpoint, and even then, his stance doesn't seem to be a great strategy for Anita Sarkeesian, considering the whole point of her making these videos is to put a spotlight on negative behaviors that are ingrained into the culture.
plagiarize
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I wouldn't have criticized her either way. That's the thing. Yeah, she could have done something different... but I'm sure she had her reasons for doing what she did, and I think we can give people the benefit of the doubt for arguably reacting in a less than logical fashion when someone is threatening to murder them and their family.
nobody's saying anything like that, why are you reacting this way?
BruiserBear
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I would do the same as you, but I live in a country where firearms are banned and hate crimes are rare. In USA anyone can buy a gun, so In my opion she did the right thing by taking the threats seriously leaving nothing to chance.
I know of 3 types.
1. Doing it for the lulz
2. People do it to 'release steam', rationalising it in their own way
3. Genuine sociopaths
i think that's an accurate representation of what you posted rephrased in an attempt to make you understand that what you're doing is kinda fucked up.
nobody called you sexist, and nobody started a witch hunt. people are reacting directly to the things you said.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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That was in no way close to a witch hunt for sexist men trying to keep her down.
I'm telling you that acting as if you know what's best for a woman in a situation likely completely alien to you is a contributing factor in why you are getting so much pushback for that comment.
Jesus...
Facebook disproved this, completely.Obligatory:
Although we can use the term "normal" loosely.
Obligatory:
Although we can use the term "normal" loosely.
I think facebook (and twitter) have disproved that theory lately. As in "we've got 'normal people' behaving stupidly nad harming others while using their real names or, at least, not behind the veil of anonymity". So being anonymous wasn't the cause of some people being dipshits. They just were.
Freeman
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Heavy shit. This guy needs to be caught.
I still don't like Anita Sarkeesian, an opportunist if I ever seen one.
NuclearSpy
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You know, this actually made me think for a minute.
There are plenty of us here who no doubt grew up as a geeky or nerdy person, and in my experiences growing up; my female peers were far more vicious toward my love for gaming. This is of course my own subjective experience.
My female counter parts were far more venomous with their words, and often encouraged others around them to follow their lead. They absolutely loved to mob up and make a spectical. A nightmare if you had social anxiety. It often continued because it was viewed as harmless.
Males tended keep things more on an individual basis. Tended to be more shoving around, but at least you can defend yourself or fight back. If you defended yourself well, they'd leave you alone.
Again, just my experience.
I would wager most would be just "Normal" in person.
Shpeshal Nick
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If you disagree with her? Fine.
Hey, if you hate women? Cool you're free to have your own beliefs/opinions etc.
But why threaten someone? Over videogames no less. Its not like her cause is a bad one or even one that negatively affects the gaming industry.
Hey, if you hate women? Cool you're free to have your own beliefs/opinions etc.
But why threaten someone? Over videogames no less. Its not like her cause is a bad one or even one that negatively affects the gaming industry.
plagiarize
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I'd love to know why you think she's an opportunist and why you think it's important to say that in this thread on reading that she received death threats.
DICKS AHOY
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I'd probably quit the internet if I got constant anonymous tweets like that, jesus christ.
Freeman
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She made money out of it, she had no ties to the game industry before, she hardly contribute anything outside of disinformation (asking for money upfront to make a series of videos on youtube?). Its relevant because we were talking about her, it has nothing to do with death threats (something that is absolutely wrong).
My point was that as someone who doesn't like her I still completely disapprove this sort of criminal behavior.
Because her being wrong/a terrible person is more important to some people than understanding that she's still a human being?
It doesn't seem to be tough to puzzle out, we have mountains of data to conclude this.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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That's literally how almost everyone who doesn't have an inner network enters the game industry.
Yeah, though I think anonymity still seems to be a big part of the more heinous shit on the internet. I'm just not quite sure how much difference there is between being an idiot and being a dangerous idiot.
Bobby Roberts
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Mike Krahulik disproved it personally.
I wouldn't say someone who hates over half the worlds population, a population that they most likely don't have much interaction with, is acceptable in society. They clearly have issues and are most likely trying to cover deep seated problems.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Truth!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I never said it should be acceptable. But ultimately, you can't MAKE someone like/respect women.
But I don't want to derail the thread. That wasn't the point of ny post.
That's assuming Mike was a normal person before his outbursts, or that people who behave poorly on Facebook were normal people, for that matter. I think the theory is still sound, in spite of where it came from making it funny to consider.
Freeman
Banned
Hopefully producing a game or contributing with something of some quality I suppose.
I'm assuming I can dislike her and her product without being banned.
Yes, she is doing her job and making money for doing so. Just because you seem to think critical analysis of video games is not a valid endeavor does not make it not a profession. Film critics are paid to write film criticism. In what way is she undeserving of payment in exchange for a service?
And given the number of developers who have said they are better game designers after watching her videos and the fact that Neil Druckmann credits her series with improving his writing in multi-GOTY winner The Last of Us, I would say she has actually contributed a great deal to the industry in a very short time.
Heh.
Well, the topic you're broaching is a silly one. The people that gave her money made a decision to do so because of what she stated she would do (which she is doing). Did you give her money? No? Then your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I consider her contributing far more to gaming than most people right now. Even if you want to act like there aren't serious gender discussions to be had about gaming, there was already a poster who showed it changed the writing in The Last of Us to be better.
More Fun To Compute
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At this point I don't even understand what this shit is about.
ChawlieTheFair
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I believe Neil Druckmann said it influenced him to take a harder look at his work. I don't know if it actually caused him to change anything in TLoU. Not saying that it didn't, but I would call it unlikely.
I bet there are even some females that join in stuff like this. The problem with social network sites is it gives even the crazy vile people a platform to be heard/seen.
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