Support NeoGAF

[bigwinnerx]

I'm very vocal about women's issues but I don't want to put myself out there like she does. Maybe someday I'll have that courage. When my kids are grown and such.

F that man, I have 2 daughters. Now is the time to show I'm serious about the issue.

 

[plagiarize]

I've been in several wow raiding guilds since Vanilla and there have always been women in my guilds (my wife being one of them as she always raided with me). I've seen women of all ages, from 18 years old to even early 40s stay at home moms, and never experienced anything you mention in your post. They were always considered the same as every other members and even though it's a mostly male populated game, it's not like women are that rare is in almost every guild I was in, on a 25 men raid, we always had between 3 to 5 women, and guys were not acting weird because all of a sudden "OH MY GOD GURLZ IN MA GAEMS!!!".

The only bad case I've seen was of a guild leader prioritizing his girlfriend over others for loot, she got called a whore, but then the guy had a complain done against him and was banned for a while from the game.

And when we go to gaming/anime conventions every year, we see a mostly even split representation of men and women and no mention of harassment or inequality ever. Sure, some girls will be stalked a bit because of the way some are cosplaying, but when you dress like that, you should expect to be looked at anyway.

This Anita/feminism thing is blown out of proportions. No one ever talked about this stuff before, we've had several successful women in this industry, now more than ever, that have worked their asses off for a long time to get where they are just like anyone else should. Anita isn't part of this industry and never was, yet she acts like she is important now and is having a meaningful impact that will change the way we play games or whatever. People like Anita just come in, try to create a problem/conflict where there is none, people all feel entitled now and Mario games are considered feminist/racist (seriously, wtf!), gaming conversations on forums all turn to shit and there are no more good gaming dedicated discussions anymore, people instead have stopped playing games to come to places like here and talk about this "problem" that doesn't exist.

Why was none of this ever mentioned before of never a problem before? It's not like female rights have completely changed in the last 2 to 3 years to make these kinds of discussions apparently more relevant now. It's just a minority creating all of this turmoil and getting called out for it by people who enjoy games as a hobby and are tired of all the important stuff we care about being left aside to these unimportant discussions that have taken too much time in the spotlight.

Also, thank you 4chan!

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SO IT CAN'T BE REAL. STOP SHOWING ME REAL EXAMPLES OF IT.

That's you.

TV fandom is much more inclusive than gaming fandom. TV storylines are much more inclusive than gaming storylines. TV production crews have women in major roles more often than game production does.

This happened without genre TV turning into something guys don't still enjoy. We'd like gaming to move in that direction. And we'd like everything to move even further in that direction, because game with better written female characters, and games that present valid female role models... will be better games, even for men.

I love the bonus 'don't dress like that if you don't want to be stalked' in your post. You're like a caricature.

 

[Amir0x]

I've been in several wow raiding guilds since Vanilla and there have always been women in my guilds (my wife being one of them as she always raided with me). I've seen women of all ages, from 18 years old to even early 40s stay at home moms, and never experienced anything you mention in your post. They were always considered the same as every other members and even though it's a mostly male populated game, it's not like women are that rare is in almost every guild I was in, on a 25 men raid, we always had between 3 to 5 women, and guys were not acting weird because all of a sudden "OH MY GOD GURLZ IN MA GAEMS!!!".

The only bad case I've seen was of a guild leader prioritizing his girlfriend over others for loot, she got called a whore, but then the guy had a complain done against him and was banned for a while from the game.

And when we go to gaming/anime conventions every year, we see a mostly even split representation of men and women and no mention of harassment or inequality ever. Sure, some girls will be stalked a bit because of the way some are cosplaying, but when you dress like that, you should expect to be looked at anyway.

This Anita/feminism thing is blown out of proportions. No one ever talked about this stuff before, we've had several successful women in this industry, now more than ever, that have worked their asses off for a long time to get where they are just like anyone else should. Anita isn't part of this industry and never was, yet she acts like she is important now and is having a meaningful impact that will change the way we play games or whatever. People like Anita just come in, try to create a problem/conflict where there is none, people all feel entitled now and Mario games are considered feminist/racist (seriously, wtf!), gaming conversations on forums all turn to shit and there are no more good gaming dedicated discussions anymore, people instead have stopped playing games to come to places like here and talk about this "problem" that doesn't exist.

Why was none of this ever mentioned before of never a problem before? It's not like female rights have completely changed in the last 2 to 3 years to make these kinds of discussions apparently more relevant now. It's just a minority creating all of this turmoil and getting called out for it by people who enjoy games as a hobby and are tired of all the important stuff we care about being left aside to these unimportant discussions that have taken too much time in the spotlight.

Also, thank you 4chan!

*blood vessel pops*

You have to be so completely isolated from reality that you lock yourself in a room if you think this shit has only been discussed for the past 2 or 3 years. You'd have to be one of the most comically inept posters EVER TO POST ON NEOGAF if you think this is some manufactured problem.

I am going to post a series of links. It is a mere fucking fraction of all the shit that has occurred that has been hugely offensive to females in just the past few years. These are things supported by people often even in leadership roles within the gaming community.

Read this link

In this, the NOW former founder and CEO of IndieStatik, continually says horrific things like "I will kiss you on the vagina if you [give me information]". But you should read the full thing so you're confronted with the reality of what goes on every day, in workplaces all across the world, continually, 24/7.

More
Even More
Even More More
Even More More More
Even More More More More
Even More More More More More

All done by adults, by the way. Some who spent money to endorse and continue to push this sexism, at a wide scale.

NeoGAF's very own H.Protagonist, who works in this industry, said that she was once sent a sexualized fanfiction about her which included very personal details that no one else should know. That is fucking terrifying. How fucking dare you try to reduce the experience these women are suffering through because you're so fucking incapable of opening your eyes that you can't see beyond your own narrow horizons. Wake up.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SO IT CAN'T BE REAL. STOP SHOWING ME REAL EXAMPLES OF IT.

Pretty much. Nice of him to tell Fiction her experience is meaningless, really.

I love the bonus 'don't dress like that if you don't want to be stalked' in your post. You're like a caricature.

Holy shit, I actually missed that line, probably because I was too busy rolling my eyes at the rest of his post. But... yeah, wow. Enough said haha.

 

[Mysterious]

Has she ever done anything "bad"? I always get a negative connotation to her name, even on here.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Just because stuff that you think are unimportant is being discussed doesn't mean that the stuff you find important won't exist anymore.

That is the most inane argument people make when they want to detract from discussion about genders in games.

 

[plagiarize]

Has she ever done anything "bad"? I always get a negative connotation to her name, even on here.

She dared to make profit from a kickstarter and to only use some of the money to deliver on all the promises she made. The rest she dared to keep.

Completely in line with what a bloody kickstarter is.

 

[EmiPrime]

I've been in several wow raiding guilds since Vanilla and there have always been women in my guilds (my wife being one of them as she always raided with me). I've seen women of all ages, from 18 years old to even early 40s stay at home moms, and never experienced anything you mention in your post. They were always considered the same as every other members and even though it's a mostly male populated game, it's not like women are that rare is in almost every guild I was in, on a 25 men raid, we always had between 3 to 5 women, and guys were not acting weird because all of a sudden "OH MY GOD GURLZ IN MA GAEMS!!!".

Good for you. I've had someone scream on Vent mid-raid about how he was going to track me down, rape me and kill me. I've also had plenty of whispers about how sexy my voice was as their attempt to flirt with me.

But okay.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Has she ever done anything "bad"? I always get a negative connotation to her name, even on here.

She criticized a few video games for having overly common sexist tropes.

I know, the horror!

 

[FacelessSamurai]

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SO IT CAN'T BE REAL. STOP SHOWING ME REAL EXAMPLES OF IT.

That's you.

TV fandom is much more inclusive than gaming fandom. TV storylines are much more inclusive than gaming storylines. TV production crews have women in major roles more often than game production does.

This happened without genre TV turning into something guys don't still enjoy. We'd like gaming to move in that direction. And we'd like everything to move even further in that direction, because game with better written female characters, and games that present valid female role models... will be better games, even for men.

I love the bonus 'don't dress like that if you don't want to be stalked' in your post. You're like a caricature.

There are tons of games with well written female characters, it's not like it is something missing in this industry. And women in general still enjoy games, so I can't see why this supposed change needs to happen.

Also, maybe it's because I'm french and didn't use the right word, but by stalked, I meant turning heads, like people would notice them more as they stand out. Most female "professional" cosplayers actually use their assets to get attention, I don't see them complaining!

 

[Vice]

I've been in several wow raiding guilds since Vanilla and there have always been women in my guilds (my wife being one of them as she always raided with me). I've seen women of all ages, from 18 years old to even early 40s stay at home moms, and never experienced anything you mention in your post. They were always considered the same as every other members and even though it's a mostly male populated game, it's not like women are that rare is in almost every guild I was in, on a 25 men raid, we always had between 3 to 5 women, and guys were not acting weird because all of a sudden "OH MY GOD GURLZ IN MA GAEMS!!!".

The only bad case I've seen was of a guild leader prioritizing his girlfriend over others for loot, she got called a whore, but then the guy had a complain done against him and was banned for a while from the game.

And when we go to gaming/anime conventions every year, we see a mostly even split representation of men and women and no mention of harassment or inequality ever. Sure, some girls will be stalked a bit because of the way some are cosplaying, but when you dress like that, you should expect to be looked at anyway.

This Anita/feminism thing is blown out of proportions. No one ever talked about this stuff before, we've had several successful women in this industry, now more than ever, that have worked their asses off for a long time to get where they are just like anyone else should. Anita isn't part of this industry and never was, yet she acts like she is important now and is having a meaningful impact that will change the way we play games or whatever. People like Anita just come in, try to create a problem/conflict where there is none, people all feel entitled now and Mario games are considered feminist/racist (seriously, wtf!), gaming conversations on forums all turn to shit and there are no more good gaming dedicated discussions anymore, people instead have stopped playing games to come to places like here and talk about this "problem" that doesn't exist.

Why was none of this ever mentioned before of never a problem before? It's not like female rights have completely changed in the last 2 to 3 years to make these kinds of discussions apparently more relevant now. It's just a minority creating all of this turmoil and getting called out for it by people who enjoy games as a hobby and are tired of all the important stuff we care about being left aside to these unimportant discussions that have taken too much time in the spotlight.

Also, thank you 4chan!

They were mentioned as problems before Anita though. people just dismissed it because the people either didn't want the drama in their life or the blow to their career fit hey kept going. There are many threads on Gaf about women complaining about sexism in the industry from the perspective of players, developers, press and PR but every thread got derailed by people saying it's just them/they're bad at their job/they want special treatment/Amy Henning has no problem with this so it isn't real/I've never seen this happen.

Anita continues to bring the subject up in a very popular and visible way and it has resulted in people actually addressing the issue rather than looking at each individual case as an outlier rather than an indicator of an issue with the industry as a whole.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

People in an MMO found out a girlfriend's real name and work and sent her harassing work emails. She wasn't even a serious player. They just found out she was a pretty girl and went for it.

evildede's post is pretty much the most sheltered and purposely ignorant thing I've ever seen about this subject.

There are tons of games with well written female characters, it's not like it is something missing in this industry. And women in general still enjoy games, so I can't see why this supposed change needs to happen.

If there are tons, list 50 right now. This will be fun for all of us.

But my favorite part is the end of that where you tell women what they want.

 

[Amir0x]

There are tons of games with well written female characters, it's not like it is something missing in this industry. And women in general still enjoy games, so I can't see why this supposed change needs to happen.

Also, maybe it's because I'm french and didn't use the right word, but by stalked, I meant turning heads, like people would notice them more as they stand out. Most female "professional" cosplayers actually use their assets to get attention, I don't see them complaining!

Holy tapdancing christ.

HOLY FUCK. HOLY GODDAMN FUCK. You're a fucking banned user now, no doubt. I've been here long enough and been a mod before that to know your fucking fate is sealed now.

But before that point:


Did you actually fucking just imply in a roundabout way that a woman shouldn't dress that way if she doesn't want that attention? Are you fucking mad?

Protip: The reason you don't notice the offensive behavior to women is because you're part of the group causing it

 

[EdibleKnife]

There are tons of games with well written female characters, it's not like it is something missing in this industry. And women in general still enjoy games, so I can't see why this supposed change needs to happen.

Also, maybe it's because I'm french and didn't use the right word, but by stalked, I meant turning heads, like people would notice them more as they stand out. Most female "professional" cosplayers actually use their assets to get attention, I don't see them complaining!

You've met every woman and gotten their opinion huh? So are all the women on this board and off just speaking up for no reason? They speak up because what you might see as satisfactory representation is actually a pittance in the deluge of badly written or otherwise non-existent female characters. The reason you can't see is A) because you aren't sharing their experiences B) you are completely unwilling to have any empathy. Good lord this topic had depressed me to no end.

 

[plagiarize]

There are tons of games with well written female characters, it's not like it is something missing in this industry. And women in general still enjoy games, so I can't see why this supposed change needs to happen.

Also, maybe it's because I'm french and didn't use the right word, but by stalked, I meant turning heads, like people would notice them more as they stand out. Most female "professional" cosplayers actually use their assets to get attention, I don't see them complaining!

Imagine we were talking about racist French stereotypes. Now imagine that loads of games had racist French stereotypes. Imagine if most games did. Imagine if you pointed that out and I said 'but there are games that don't have racist French stereotypes' as if that somehow invalidated the numerous examples that you had pointed to.

Now imagine that you received actual death threats, and when you brought it to light, I completely ignored that, and continued to tell you that you shouldn't complain about French stereotypes in games.

And then imagine I told you to stop acting French if you don't want people to treat you as if you were just a negative French stereotype.

 

[Amir0x]

Tons of games with well written female characters? Really?

You are so blind to the problem. It's insane. I've lived my entire life as a female gamer, and me and pretty much every other female will tell you: there's a fucking problem. Just because you don't experience or ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist doesn't make it not actually exist. And yeah, women play games, because we like playing games in spite of the shit we have to put up with, and man it'd be nice if we didn't. We wouldn't be so vocal about if we didn't care.

He's not blind to the problem in any normal sense. Reading his posts now, it's clear what the problem is. He can't see all the offensive behavior toward women because he is actively participating in that behavior. He's PART of the group offending women.

It's always the same goddamn story with these folk.

Edit: And he's banned. Got that prediction right lol

 

[Robot Pants]

This is really pathetic. Death threats over some opinion on videogames. VIDEOGAMES.
Christ.

 

[Dragonborn]

Quite sad, and what's worse is it makes the gaming community when in fact it's just a minority. And even worse than that, these are people who don't care and won't listen. They don't care about getting hated on, in fact they thrive on that attention. It's just so...sad?

I don't know if there's really much of anything that can really be done. I see tons of articles centering on this kind of issue and I commend them but I kind of feel they're preaching to the choir, you know?

Like, the people who are actually the issue don't care and won't listen no matter how many articles and blogs and attention this stuff gets. Is there anything I, as a normal internet user, can actually do?

 

[plagiarize]

He's not blind to the problem in any normal sense. Reading his posts now, it's clear what the problem is. He can't see all the offensive behavior toward women because he is actively participating in that behavior. He's PART of the group offending women.

It's always the same goddamn story with these folk.

Yep. I call them bigots and they act all surprised and offended. They're like 'But I had my disguise on! You can't call me a bigot when I'm wearing my disguise and trying to be a bigot surreptitiously'.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Imagine we were talking about racist French stereotypes. Now imagine that loads of games had racist French stereotypes. Imagine if most games did. Imagine if you pointed that out and I said 'but there are games that don't have racist French stereotypes' as if that somehow invalidated the numerous examples that you had pointed to.

Now imagine that you received actual death threats, and when you brought it to light, I completely ignored that, and continued to tell you that you shouldn't complain about French stereotypes in games.

And then imagine I told you to stop acting French if you don't want people to treat you as if you were just a negative French stereotype.

Amazing post. Nailed it.

 

[plagiarize]

Quite sad, and what's worse is it makes the gaming community when in fact it's just a minority. And even worse than that, these are people who don't care and won't listen. They don't care about getting hated on, in fact they thrive on that attention. It's just so...sad?

I don't know if there's really much of anything that can really be done. I see tons of articles centering on this kind of issue and I commend them but I kind of feel they're preaching to the choir, you know?

Like, the people who are actually the issue don't care and won't listen no matter how many articles and blogs and attention this stuff gets. Is there anything I, as a normal internet user, can actually do?

Call it out when you see it. Make sure people understand it isn't okay. Encourage game creators to do better. Many of them are willing to change when shown the problem of their work. Many of them WANT to write better female characters, because who wouldn't want to write better female characters?

Other fandoms are better than our fandom. They improved... we can too.

 

[Mysterious]

She dared to make profit from a kickstarter and to only use some of the money to deliver on all the promises she made. The rest she dared to keep.

Completely in line with what a bloody kickstarter is.

Is this sarcasm or did she actually do that? How much did she raise?

 

[Amir0x]

Yep. I call them bigots and they act all surprised and offended. They're like 'But I had my disguise on! You can't call me a bigot when I'm wearing my disguise and trying to be a bigot surreptitiously'.

"Hey guys why won't people just be understanding of my offensive behavior! Women have it fine, it's all peachy! But goddamn do you see the way they dress at comiccon? I mean, come on! They dress that way intentionally so guys will act like raging fucking freaks around them! Don't tell me they don't want that attention! But I mean, women are totally free from persecution these days."

 

[Anton Sugar]

*blood vessel pops*

You have to be so completely isolated from reality that you lock yourself in a room if you think this shit has only been discussed for the past 2 or 3 years. You'd have to be one of the most comically inept posters EVER TO POST ON NEOGAF if you think this is some manufactured problem.

I am going to post a series of links. It is a mere fucking fraction of all the shit that has occurred that has been hugely offensive to females in just the past few years. These are things supported by people often even in leadership roles within the gaming community.

Read this link

In this, the NOW former founder and CEO of IndieStatik, continually says horrific things like "I will kiss you on the vagina if you [give me information]". But you should read the full thing so you're confronted with the reality of what goes on every day, in workplaces all across the world, continually, 24/7.

More
Even More
Even More More
Even More More More
Even More More More More
Even More More More More More

All done by adults, by the way. Some who spent money to endorse and continue to push this sexism, at a wide scale.

NeoGAF's very own H.Protagonist, who works in this industry, said that she was once sent a sexualized fanfiction about her which included very personal details that no one else should know. That is fucking terrifying. How fucking dare you try to reduce the experience these women are suffering through because you're so fucking incapable of opening your eyes that you can't see beyond your own narrow horizons. Wake up.

Dude

We've had SEVERAL successful women in the industry!

 

[Amir0x]

Dude

We've had SEVERAL successful women in the industry!

lmfao. i'm dying here ;D

 

[Altazor]

This is really pathetic. Death threats over some opinion on videogames. VIDEOGAMES.
Christ.

you know, that's kinda the point.

On one hand, video games are part of mass media - a part of our lives. And as products and works of art and means of communication and narratives, they tend to represent and perpetuate and reinforce certain views. In this particular case, the role of women in society. And, as such, as things to be consumed and analyzed and debated, they are part of what we, as a society, can say about something. So it's not "just" videogames [and don't misunderstand me, I'm not attacking you or minimizing your post at all!], it's a part of our culture that can and must be taken seriously.

On the other hand, it's depressing to see that some people go to extreme, unacceptable lengths to "fight" other people's opinions over something that was, in some ways, only meant to entertain.

 

[Dragonborn]

Call it out when you see it. Make sure people understand it isn't okay. Encourage game creators to do better. Many of them are willing to change when shown the problem of their work. Many of them WANT to write better female characters, because who wouldn't want to write better female characters?

Other fandoms are better than our fandom. They improved... we can too.

But the thing is, I already do this, or try to as much as possible. My issue, it's this minority that just won't listen that's causing this issues. They don't care about the way they're seen or how many times you tell them that's it not right. They'll just keep doing it and making the whole gaming community look bad. Anonymity is a blessing and a curse in that sense and I don't think there's much we can do to reach the individuals that are really the issue.

I think the reason this seems so prevalent in the gaming community is just because it's a smaller overall fandom (at least compared to stuff like movies, tv shows, sports) and in a way, it's more tightly knit. Like, most devs are on twitter, as are most of the press and personalities. And they often interact with fans far more directly than others do in other fandoms. This along with gaming being a traditionally male dominated audience is what's causing and amplifying the problems

 

[truly101]

I'm guessing the harassers must have posted something close to home for her to really consider the threat real to leave her home. I never saw her videos as doing anything more than creating awareness about certain issues, and I thought the last two were particularly well done. I don't agree with all her reasons or how she ignores or points out context as it suits her argument, but for the most part, its interesting to hear her point of view. I don't think she hates video games at all.

What I still can't understand is how the people who harass her on twitter or post these awful things think they are helping their cause. Their response give more legitimacy to her claims than the actual research does.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

My favorite argument is "women use their 'assets' at cons to get attention" as if no one, male or female, has ever dressed provocatively before. Men and women do it, but the difference is, men do not have to endure nearly what women do. People like to feel attractive. People also like to be comfortable and like to have fun. It's almost as if they can overlap!

It reeks of "dress how I want you to dress cause I can't control myself" and that is quite disgusting.

 

[plagiarize]

Is this sarcasm or did she actually do that? How much did she raise?

The way kickstarter works is this:

You post about the project you want to make. You set a minimum funding goal. You set optional targets for what you will do should you make more than that goal.

People are then free to give you money as they see fit. If you get way more money than you needed, you are allowed to keep it. Kickstarter isn't a charity. You are obligated to make the project (and to fulfill the stretch goals) that you promised. That is what people paid you to do.

If they pay you more than you wanted to do that... you get to keep it. So long as you hold up your end of the deal.

Why shouldn't Anita be allowed to make money off of her videos? Why shouldn't people be allowed to keep pledging to her above and beyond what she wanted? And why should anyone get to tell Anita that she has to change her promised product in any way beyond what she initially promised?

Welcome to kickstarter.

 

[Freeman]

People in an MMO found out a girlfriend's real name and work and sent her harassing work emails. She wasn't even a serious player. They just found out she was a pretty girl and went for it.

evildede's post is pretty much the most sheltered and purposely ignorant thing I've ever seen about this subject.

If there are tons, list 50 right now. This will be fun for all of us.

But my favorite part is the end of that where you tell women what they want.

I remember there was a soccer player was killed in Colombia because of a mistake he made in a World Cup. Bad examples exist everywhere for everything.

It is just as hard to find a game with a good female portrayal as it is hard to find a game with a good portrayal of anything.

lmfao. i'm dying here ;D

Its far from ideal but we have woman as head of studios, as some of the most accomplished game writers, as producers, as executives, as programmers, as journalists. In the tech side of things its a reality of the entire industry is has direct correlation with the number of people that are studding for this areas and if anything is a deep cultural issue. You also can't ignore the fact that the majority of players of traditional games are still men (missrepresentation of woman in smartphone games is likely not what everyone is talking about here).

 

[Mysterious]

Have people like Perrin Kaplin, Cammie Dunaway, Denise Kaigler, Amy Hennig, Corrine Yu, Jade Raymond, Lucy Bradshaw received public harassment for being female?

Genuine question.

 

[Amir0x]

Thank you by the way, for being way more on point than I was. I tend to reign myself in considerably when I get angry, and it was very cathartic to watch you getting as angry as I wanted to

I guess it's a very sensitive spot for me. I have a mother and two sisters who were all hugely influential in my life due to the way my household was structured, and I have had to hear for years the horrible stuff they have to deal with just when they walk down a city street. I love gaming, I do. But to see this stuff so pervasively corrupting every element of this industry... it's depressing and infuriating.

Edit: Which is to say it just makes me more aware how much worse it is when you're the actual women in these equations

 

[plagiarize]

I remember there was a soccer player was killed in Colombia because of a mistake he made in a World Cup. Bad examples exist everywhere for everything.

It is just as hard to find a game with a good female portrayal as it is hard to find a game with a good portrayal of anything.

Maybe.

But it's way easier to find harmful female portrayals than it is to find equally harmful male portrayals. Anita can focus on one subject. That's allowed. People can have pet causes you know. Maybe your pet cause is stamping out cancer. Maybe mine is stamping out poverty.

If I reply to your attempts to raise awareness and money for a cancer research charity with 'What are you doing about starving people on the street?' you'd rightly think I was an asshole trying to sabotage your valid goal.

 

[Dragonborn]

But it happens constantly to a particular gender, it's something that needs to be addressed.

If men in games were constantly being used as window dressing, damsels, or whatnot you'd have a point. I don't remember there being even one game that required you to rape men, let alone the amount we have for the reverse.

Wait, there's games that require you to rape women... , are we talking like real games or one of those messed up fantasy browser games? That's insane

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

But it happens constantly to a particular gender, it's something that needs to be addressed.

If men in games were constantly being used as window dressing, damsels, or whatnot you'd have a point. I don't remember there being even one game that required you to rape men, let alone the amount we have for the reverse.

Which games are requiring you to rape women? And I don't mean like weird, dark depths of the net sorta games.

 

[Amir0x]

Wait, there's games that require you to rape women... , are we talking like real games or one of those messed up fantasy browser games? That's insane

Custer's Revenge.

 

[HOMEBOY OVER HERE]

wow, internet threats? when will self centered misogynistic losers that are awkward and have no friends get off the internet and do something with their lives?

 

[The Technomancer]

Wait, there's games that require you to rape women... , are we talking like real games or one of those messed up fantasy browser games? That's insane

There are some actual games yes, although I think that poster was making a slight mistake in their characterization. The broader point, which is the main focus of Anita's most recent video, funnily enough, is that rape and kidnapping of women is often used as a motivator for the protagonist because "look how bad they are for raping women", while the reverse almost never happens. Its objectifying because it reduces the women's role into just things that are acted upon in a way we're supposed to find evil

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Custer's Revenge.

How about a more recent release that could be regarded as still relevant?

There's a game that popular with gaffers that requires you to sexually punish 12 year old girls. And many people were pissed it was being censored on its arrival in the states.

Which is?

 

[Corpekata]

How about a more recent release that could be regarded as still relevant?



Which is?

Criminal Girls. There's a few more Vita titles that are pretty questionable in that regard to but that's the big one.

 

[Amir0x]

There's a game that popular with gaffers that requires you to sexually punish 12 year old girls. And many people were pissed it was being censored on its arrival in the states.

oh god it just hit me there are more than one game where we can reasonably say you're forced to rape females

How about a more recent release that could be regarded as still relevant?

Actually it's even more instructive now. Custer's Revenge was released in the early 80s; we still have games like this now. This shows the problem has ALWAYS existed in this industry, and has not gotten better

 

[plagiarize]

Custer's Revenge.

XStoryPlayer has some very dubious scenarios, if my memory serves me right.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Have people like Perrin Kaplin, Cammie Dunaway, Denise Kaigler, Amy Hennig, Corrine Yu, Jade Raymond, Lucy Bradshaw received public harassment for being female?

Genuine question.

I remember a comic going around of Jade Raymond blowing a couple of journos who reviewed Assassin's Creed favorably, get it she's a woman lol

Cammie Dunaway also got some sexist shit thrown her way after the E3 08 Nintendo conference

 

[Aquamarine]

I've been in several wow raiding guilds since Vanilla and there have always been women in my guilds (my wife being one of them as she always raided with me). I've seen women of all ages, from 18 years old to even early 40s stay at home moms, and never experienced anything you mention in your post. They were always considered the same as every other members and even though it's a mostly male populated game, it's not like women are that rare is in almost every guild I was in, on a 25 men raid, we always had between 3 to 5 women, and guys were not acting weird because all of a sudden "OH MY GOD GURLZ IN MA GAEMS!!!".

The only bad case I've seen was of a guild leader prioritizing his girlfriend over others for loot, she got called a whore, but then the guy had a complain done against him and was banned for a while from the game.

And when we go to gaming/anime conventions every year, we see a mostly even split representation of men and women and no mention of harassment or inequality ever. Sure, some girls will be stalked a bit because of the way some are cosplaying, but when you dress like that, you should expect to be looked at anyway.

This Anita/feminism thing is blown out of proportions. No one ever talked about this stuff before, we've had several successful women in this industry, now more than ever, that have worked their asses off for a long time to get where they are just like anyone else should. Anita isn't part of this industry and never was, yet she acts like she is important now and is having a meaningful impact that will change the way we play games or whatever. People like Anita just come in, try to create a problem/conflict where there is none, people all feel entitled now and Mario games are considered feminist/racist (seriously, wtf!), gaming conversations on forums all turn to shit and there are no more good gaming dedicated discussions anymore, people instead have stopped playing games to come to places like here and talk about this "problem" that doesn't exist.

Why was none of this ever mentioned before of never a problem before? It's not like female rights have completely changed in the last 2 to 3 years to make these kinds of discussions apparently more relevant now. It's just a minority creating all of this turmoil and getting called out for it by people who enjoy games as a hobby and are tired of all the important stuff we care about being left aside to these unimportant discussions that have taken too much time in the spotlight.

Also, thank you 4chan!

You know nothing about the industry. I'd suggest that, in the future, you should be less bold when you don't fully understand something.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Does anyone have the name of that game, I blocked it from my memory after staring in horror at the thread, Criminal Girls or something?

Yeah that's it.

I think I remember seeing threads about it.

Edit: Now in all honesty, I know jack shit about Japanese games, I've heard things about games similar to Criminal girls. Anyone familiar with japanese games give me an equivalent franchise or game from the Western side in terms of popularity/knowledge?

 

[The Technomancer]

Does anyone have the name of that game, I blocked it from my memory after staring in horror at the thread, Criminal Girls or something?

Yup, Criminal Girls

There's the general objectifying creepiness of stuff like Monster Monpiece as well, where you treat sexualized young girls as literal Pokemon

 

[Htown]

There's a game that popular with gaffers that requires you to sexually punish 12 year old girls. And many people were pissed it was being censored on its arrival in the states.

oh man you're totally right, i forgot about that

isn't that the one where people got pissed because the mods said "don't make any more threads about this game?"

 

[Amir0x]

Does anyone have the name of that game, I blocked it from my memory after staring in horror at the thread, Criminal Girls or something?

Yup, it's Criminal Girls.

And there was that RapeLay game, although I guess that's more a straight up porno game. Although when you're getting into the category of games where you abuse women sexually, is there really any distinction?

It's hard not to be disgusted when we are literally now talking about more than a handful of games that promote rape in some way.

 

[KiraXD]

not saying the threats arent real but... Sarkeesian is pretty transparent with trying to get publicity... how blown out of proportion is this?