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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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LilJoka

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5960X 4.5Ghz 1.35v 1900cb
For comparison my 3960x at 4.8Ghz 1.40v gets 1250cb, and at 5Ghz 1300cb.
 
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billsmugs

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I was just sent a link to this pre-assembled motherboard, CPU , RAM and cooler by a family member, is it a good deal? http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...tm_medium=eweekly&utm_campaign=eweekly-280814

I was looking at the same processor and amount of RAM and I've never built a PC before, so having something pre-assembled might be useful. It doesn't seem to cost much more than the sum of its parts, but are the parts worth the price and are there any potential issues with pre-assembled configurations like this? Most importantly, if it is worth the money is it a great deal that's worth grabbing now or a fairly standard price?

I was planning to wait until the new Nvidia GPUs are released before buying parts and I the earliest I would actually be building the computer is the end of September, if that makes a difference to the recommendations.
 
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Mr Cola

Brothas With Attitude / The Wrong Brotha to Fuck Wit / Die Brotha Die / Brothas in Paris
Sorry i should have rephrased my question in line with the OT

Your Current Specs:
No Specs, been using a laptop last 3 years
Budget: £600 UK $1000

Main Use: Rate 1-5. 5 being Highest:
Autocad 5
Gaming 5,
Video Editing 4,
Streaming games 4
General Usage 3 (Word, Web, 1080p playback).
It cannot make tons of noise.

Monitor Resolution:
I havent had a monitor in a while, this will need to be included in the price, 17'' would be fine, not altogether bothered with quality.

List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?
Fifa 15 is a must, 100% (30fps acceptable) (it is a new engine on the pc, quite hardware intensive)
League of Legends
Hearthstone
Ideally it would be nice to be able to run Hammer well, the Valve devkit
I am not a hardcore graphics enthusiast, i would just like to be able to run games and do other things while they are in windowed mode.

Looking to reuse any parts?: List make and model (e.g. Corsair 520HX, 640GB SATA HDD, Antec 900)
I have no parts to reuse sadly

When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?
22nd September

Will you be overclocking?: Yes, No, Maybe (This means yes!)
Not at all
 
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kharma45

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Mr Cola said:
Sorry i should have rephrased my question in line with the OT

Your Current Specs:
No Specs, been using a laptop last 3 years
Budget: £600 UK $1000

Main Use: Rate 1-5. 5 being Highest:
Autocad 5
Gaming 5,
Video Editing 4,
Streaming games 4
General Usage 3 (Word, Web, 1080p playback).
It cannot make tons of noise.

Monitor Resolution:
I havent had a monitor in a while, this will need to be included in the price, 17'' would be fine, not altogether bothered with quality.

List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?
Fifa 15 is a must, 100% (30fps acceptable) (it is a new engine on the pc, quite hardware intensive)
League of Legends
Hearthstone
Ideally it would be nice to be able to run Hammer well, the Valve devkit
I am not a hardcore graphics enthusiast, i would just like to be able to run games and do other things while they are in windowed mode.

Looking to reuse any parts?: List make and model (e.g. Corsair 520HX, 640GB SATA HDD, Antec 900)
I have no parts to reuse sadly

When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?
22nd September

Will you be overclocking?: Yes, No, Maybe (This means yes!)
Not at all
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I'll give you a hand later Cola. Might be around midnight.
 
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Mr Cola

Brothas With Attitude / The Wrong Brotha to Fuck Wit / Die Brotha Die / Brothas in Paris
Much obliged, i tried contacting you on steam but I cant for the life of me get it to work at the moment.
 
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mkenyon

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Im dying to see how the 5820K and 5930K OC.

I have a distinct feeling those 8 cores are preventing great results. Doesn't seem like they're hitting a temp wall for the most part.
 
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The Llama

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mkenyon said:
Im dying to see how the 5820K and 5930K OC.

I have a distinct feeling those 8 cores are preventing great results. Doesn't seem like they're hitting a temp wall for the most part.
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Anand OC'd them (nothing special in terms of results), and per Asus an "average" result is 4.5GHz at 1.3V.

In ASUS’ press deck for overclocking recommendations that came with the X99-Deluxe, they tell us the following:

i7-5960X at 4.4 GHz with 1.300 volts is below average
i7-5960X at 4.5 GHz with 1.300 volts is average
i7-5960X at 4.6 GHz with 1.300 volts is above average
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http://anandtech.com/show/8426/the-...view-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/3
 
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knitoe

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I prefer silent so going to try air cooling a 5930K. If I can get a 4.3-4.5 GHz, that's enough for me. If not, I'll try one of those prebuilt close loop. How is the pump noise these days?
 
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mkenyon

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knitoe said:
I prefer silent so going to try air cooling a 5930K. If I can get a 4.3-4.5 GHz, that's enough for me. If not, I'll try one of those prebuilt close loop. How is the pump noise these days?
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Keep in mind, most of those AIOs dissipate the same kind of power as a high end end cooler. Looks like Haswell-E is more along the lines of SB (consumer) power consumption, rather than SB-E/IVY-E. You don't need to look at dissipating 400W when OC'd.
The Llama said:
Anand OC'd them (nothing special in terms of results), and per Asus an "average" result is 4.5GHz at 1.3V.
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I only saw 5960X overclocking on their review, not 5820K.
 
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Smokey

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One of the main issues Intel has with its Extreme platform is the respective enterprise platform based on its high end Xeon processors. In the server world, the customers demand a certain level of consistency for each platform to match up with their upgrade and replacement cycle. As a result, while mainstream Haswell processors were launched in June 2013, it has taken another 14 months for the enthusiast versions to hit the market. This cadence difference between mainstream and extreme silicon is primarily driven by the Xeon market requiring the same platform for two generations. In this case, the Sandy Bridge-E and Ivy Bridge-E platforms, with the LGA2011-0 socket, we held in place for three years before the upgrade to Haswell-E with LGA2011-3. If you are wondering why there is the big difference in release date from Haswell to Haswell-E, there is your answer.
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Ah did not know this, but I always wondered. I learned something today.

http://anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested
 
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The Llama

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mkenyon said:
Keep in mind, most of those AIOs dissipate the same kind of power as a high end end cooler. Looks like Haswell-E is more along the lines of SB (consumer) power consumption, rather than SB-E/IVY-E. You don't need to look at dissipating 400W when OC'd.

I only saw 5960X overclocking on their review, not 5820K.
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Oh my bad, got them all confused.
 
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Woffls

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Prospective X99 build:
Intel 5820K
MSI X99S
Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB DDR4 2400Mhz

Total is about £635. Might swap the X99S for the Asus X99-A after I've read some reviews. Only costs about £200 more than similar Z97 components I was looking at.
 
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Addnan

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The MSI X99S is so damn sexy and it's the cheapest. Thinking of selling off my Ivy build and paying towards 5820K, X99S, RAM and H105. 3570K that easily hits 4.6, MSI Z77 GD65, 16GB Samsung RAM. Wonder how much I would get... Uhh.

Woffls said:
Prospective X99 build:
Intel 5820K
MSI X99S
Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB DDR4 2400Mhz

Total is about £635. Might swap the X99S for the Asus X99-A after I've read some reviews. Only costs about £200 more than similar Z97 components I was looking at.
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Don't forget a decent cooler, AIO or maybe the high end air coolers would probably do too.
 
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robotzombie

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Okay, I'm going to annoy you guys one last time for monitor advice:

I'm down to the following two monitors:

BenQ XL2411Z

or

Asus VN248H-P

The Asus I can get for a total of $145 once I factor in the rebate and coupon (and taxes)

The BenQ will be 229 + tax, so basically $100 more.

For $100 extra dollars I'll be gaining 144hz and a 1ms response time (as opposed to 5ms), but losing an IPS screen and built in speakers (speakers are useful if I plug a console in there). Is the trade off worth that?
 
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Mr.Mike

Member
robotzombie said:
Okay, I'm going to annoy you guys one last time for monitor advice:

I'm down to the following two monitors:

BenQ XL2411Z

or

Asus VN248H-P

The Asus I can get for a total of $145 once I factor in the rebate and coupon (and taxes)

The BenQ will be 229 + tax, so basically $100 more.

For $100 extra dollars I'll be gaining 144hz and a 1ms response time (as opposed to 5ms), but losing an IPS screen and built in speakers (speakers are useful if I plug a console in there). Is the trade off worth that?
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I'd imagine it would depend on what type of games you like to play. If you're really into competitive FPS then the BenQ is probably worth it. Otherwise it might be better to get the IPS screen that is also cheaper. Your consoles aren't ever going to take advantage of the higher refresh rate on the BenQ, but the speakers in the Asus would be nice. That said, I have read impression saying that 120/144Hz is really helpful for games like CS.
 
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mkenyon

Banned
144Hz is next gen.

Get the VG248QE alternatively. They're both available at Newegg and Amazon, whatever you don't get charged tax with.

Also, MIR as part of the price? That's money spent.
 
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Mr.Mike

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robotzombie said:
yeah, I mostly just play single player, and no real competitive multi stuff.
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I have read really good things about 120fps though, and it would be really nice to have it in single player games. But then you'd also have to consider if your hardware is capable of pushing out enough frames per second to take advantage of the monitor's refresh rate (this would vary from game to game).
 
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mkenyon

Banned
Vulcano's assistant said:
What does the difference between
"Timing 15-15-15-35 Cas Latency 15" and
"Timing 16-16-16-39 Cas Latency 16"
translates to?

As show in these two
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6149513&SID=hzb84rvnruh7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...4&cm_re=ddr_4_2400-_-9SIA0ST1XT1374-_-Product
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Nothing important.

Those Avexir's are at a great price though. I'd go for those in a heartbeat.
The Flash said:
A friend said the Antec VP450 I got might not be enough to power my i5 4460 and my GTX 750 ti. Is that going to be the case?
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No, that will not be the case. You have well over 100W of wiggle room there. Maybe 200W, but I forget the exact power draw of the 750Ti off hand.
 
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Kinsei

Banned
I'm in the middle of building my rig, and I have two very important questions.

1. This PC has 2. inch trays. Do I still need to screw in the SSD?

2. The motherboard mounts don't match up with the holes on the board. My motherboard has seven holes, but the way the mounts are laid out in the case means that I'd only be able to mount six of them. Is that OK?
 
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Defyler

Member
robotzombie said:
Okay, I'm going to annoy you guys one last time for monitor advice:

I'm down to the following two monitors:

BenQ XL2411Z

or

Asus VN248H-P

The Asus I can get for a total of $145 once I factor in the rebate and coupon (and taxes)

The BenQ will be 229 + tax, so basically $100 more.

For $100 extra dollars I'll be gaining 144hz and a 1ms response time (as opposed to 5ms), but losing an IPS screen and built in speakers (speakers are useful if I plug a console in there). Is the trade off worth that?
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I just purchased the Asus model last month. The colors are incredible coming from a samsung TN panel previously. I really like it for the price.
 
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Mr.Mike

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Should I invest in more DDR3 ram while it's still around? I currently have 8 gigs which is enough for now, but I'm not planning on building a new computer until I'm done school, although I'll probably get a new video card at some point (3+ years). I notice that Star Citizen's "recommended" spec is now 16 gigs, something which I'm sure is going to become more common over the next 3 years. I do also run Linux virtual machines I like to use for coding, so I guess that would also help justify more RAM.
 
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The Llama

Member
Mr.Mike said:
Should I invest in more DDR3 ram while it's still around? I currently have 8 gigs which is enough for now, but I'm not planning on building a new computer until I'm done school, although I'll probably get a new video card at some point (3+ years). I notice that Star Citizen's "recommended" spec is now 16 gigs, something which I'm sure is going to become more common over the next 3 years. I do also run Linux virtual machines I like to use for coding, so I guess that would also help justify more RAM.
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If you can get a good deal over the next few months, I'd go for it, but I wouldn't go out of your way for it. I have 16GB and its very, very rare that I hit the limit (only in 1 or 2 games, and even then it only uses like 9GB).
 
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Kinsei

Banned
Kinsei said:
I'm in the middle of building my rig, and I have a very important question.

The motherboard mounts don't match up with the holes on the board. My motherboard has seven holes, but the way the mounts are laid out in the case means that I'd only be able to mount six of them. Is that OK?
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?
 
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