Discuss: The new 3DS and the emergent "split userbase"... is this a good trend?

I wonder if anyone actually believes Nintendo, hell or any business, would be stupid enough to ignore a 45million+ user base due to a slightly upgraded CPU. If anything all I expect is future games to take advantage of the additional inputs on the N3DS while still having perfect functionality on the OG3DS's akin to adding a CCP to the system.

As far as "exclusive" games goes i'd expect more digital releases or VC for GBA and the like like what the DSi rather than full fledged Xenoblade like titles. The original intention of the increased CPU and RAM was to better support the 3DS's increasing online functionality with Miiverse, NNID, eShop, etc. which were pretty much forced onto the 3DS which was never meant to support that kind of workload. I'm assuming they just decided to take this as an opportunity to tap into their handheld userbase to market Xenoblade before Xenoblade Cross comes out.

Right. New 3DS is not going to get a significant number of titles until its userbase rivals that of the original hardware. That will be never, because an actual new hardware platform will be released before that happens. Which means New 3DS is just a fancy revision, meant to spur sales, like the DSi/XL before it.

It also means no one has to upgrade if they don't want to. So no one has to be upset about it, at least not until a Mario Galaxy quality must play game New 3DS only game is made. I think most of the irritation probably comes from people actually liking the way it looks, but not wanting to spend another couple hundred dollars.

Simplest solution, again, is not to buy it, just like any of the LE editions. I don't have a 3DS Zelda LE or an XL Zelda LE, despite how nice they looked. Just wasn't worth it.

I will buy the New 3DS, because I really want the wide 3D, but I do so knowing full well that it'll have a lifespan about as long as the DSi.
 
Nintendo just keeps getting more and more batshit insane. Wii U and now the "New 3DS" are just mind boggling business decisions that I cannot believe a company would rationally make.

This seems like an awful stop-gap measure to stave off 3DS declines for a year or two, but doesn't look to genuinely add a whole lot of value for either those that do not own a 3DS, or those looking to upgrade. The support on the new device is going to be awful as a result, and 3DS sales will continue to fall in the face of fierce mobile competition.

I have no idea what they are thinking.
 
Well, if nothing else, I'm absolutely happy with my decision to not "upgrade" to the XL. I barely play the thing as it is, I'll have to see what they're doing with it before I decide if I want to buy another one.
 
The "New 3DS" looks like a great handheld and I'm glad that it's going to have that extra power but the title and timing just stinks, it's the same problem Nintendo had with the Wii U and I can't believe they made the same mistake again.

Just like the Wii U consumers are going to be confused and think it's just an upgraded version of the console they already own and pass on it when they see the price tag.'

The timing sucks for a bunch of reasons that many people ITT have gone over already so I won't hammer points that have already been driven as far as they can go.
 
Nintendo just keeps getting more and more batshit insane. Wii U and now the "New 3DS" are just mind boggling business decisions that I cannot believe a company would rationally make.

This seems like an awful stop-gap measure to stave off 3DS declines for a year or two, but doesn't look to genuinely add a whole lot of value for either those that do not own a 3DS, or those looking to upgrade. The support on the new device is going to be awful as a result, and 3DS sales will continue to fall in the face of fierce mobile competition.

I have no idea what they are thinking.

The DSi strategy works pretty well. I skipped XL and 2DS, but I am very tempted to upgrade here.

The "New 3DS" looks like a great handheld and I'm glad that it's going to have that extra power but the title and timing just stinks, it's the same problem Nintendo had with the Wii U and I can't believe they made the same mistake again.

Just like the Wii U consumers are going to be confused and think it's just an upgraded version of the console they already own and pass on it when they see the price tag.'

The timing sucks for a bunch of reasons that many people ITT have gone over already so I won't hammer points that have already been driven as far as they can go.

But N3DS IS an upgraded version of the console they already own.
 
Don't you guys think that the successor to this will be backwards compatible anyways or will have the games on e-shop? I really don't see the big fuss and quite frankly why anyone with a 3ds would go out and buy this, unless you sell your old 3ds/have extra cash to spend on the upgrade. Also upgrade the camera nintendo, i mean might as well.
 
This isn't really a new trend is it? Gameboy Color and DSi.

They have done it with like every handheld except one or maybe 2. My feelings on it? I file it under "The same as its always been but for some reason people are just noticing" the same way I see the "Moneyhatted Tomb Raider" discussion that had everyone so riled up.


James Sawyer Ford said:
I have no idea what they are thinking.

Thats probably got more to do with you not paying attention to the industry or perhaps just Nintendo rather than them being 'batshit insane'. They did this exact same thing 4 years into the life of the DS. It was called the DSi, and it too had a couple of exclusive titles. And they did it before that too. But lets not pay any attention to that I suppose.


Tanoooki said:
Just like the Wii U consumers are going to be confused and think it's just an upgraded version of the console they already own

Oh man that would be TERRIBLE!...... Oh wait...

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Did some of you even look at what this actually is? Or are you just reading thread titles and commenting not actually knowing whats going on?
 
The "New 3DS" looks like a great handheld and I'm glad that it's going to have that extra power but the title and timing just stinks, it's the same problem Nintendo had with the Wii U and I can't believe they made the same mistake again.

Just like the Wii U consumers are going to be confused and think it's just an upgraded version of the console they already own and pass on it when they see the price tag.'

The timing sucks for a bunch of reasons that many people ITT have gone over already so I won't hammer points that have already been driven as far as they can go.

um...

Nintendo just keeps getting more and more batshit insane. Wii U and now the "New 3DS" are just mind boggling business decisions that I cannot believe a company would rationally make.

This seems like an awful stop-gap measure to stave off 3DS declines for a year or two, but doesn't look to genuinely add a whole lot of value for either those that do not own a 3DS, or those looking to upgrade. The support on the new device is going to be awful as a result, and 3DS sales will continue to fall in the face of fierce mobile competition.

I have no idea what they are thinking.

I really don't see what they could have really done from a HW standpoint to somehow create more interest in the 3DS from people who don't want the current models.
 
Seems like a bad business decision overall considering how handheld portables are in a dying market when compared to iOS and Android platforms.

Once those platforms have a proper controller configuration, Nintendo may have to start choosing a side.

I like my 2DS, but honestly, if these 3DS games were on Android or on an iPhone/iPad, I wouldn't have bought it.
 
Nintendo has a way to just confuse people, didn't they learn with the Wii U naming and now "New" 3DS that 2 identical systems with nearly same name, shape, and size will confuse the average Mom and Dad that's looking to buy for young kids or most casual gamers.
 
Seems like a bad business decision overall considering how handheld portables are in a dying market when compared to iOS and Android platforms.

Once those platforms have a proper controller configuration, Nintendo may have to start choosing a side.

I like my 2DS, but honestly, if these 3DS games were on Android or on an iPhone/iPad, I wouldn't have bought it.

They are closing in on what 45 million units sold? Yeah, they aren't going to stop any time soon. The handheld market doesn't have to be as big as it used to be in order to be worth pursuing. And with the 3DS clearly headed to 50m, don't expect them to stop until the total sales for a gen plummets muuuuuuuuuuch lower than that.

Nintendo has a way to just confuse people, didn't they learn with the Wii U naming and now "New" 3DS that 2 identical systems with nearly same name, shape, and size will confuse the average Mom and Dad that's looking to buy for young kids or most casual gamers.

The WiiU was a bad name because it confused people into buying a last gen console instead of a new one. New 3DS at worst ends up with a consumer buying a normal 3DS that shares 99.9% of the same library. These 'problems' are not even remotely comparable.
 
This is dumb. I was going to buy a 3DS XL in the next week or so but I guess that's been put off. Have we heard anything about the price? I really hope that 3DS XL isn't going to launch at $249.

And did they really not learn anything after the Wii/Wii U naming situation?
 
Nintendo has a way to just confuse people, didn't they learn with the Wii U naming and now "New" 3DS that 2 identical systems with nearly same name, shape, and size will confuse the average Mom and Dad that's looking to buy for young kids or most casual gamers.

They're obviously going to discontinue the other models.
 
So now that I think about it..... Why is New 3DS a bad name again? I mean it's not my favorite, I certainly never would have picked it, but I think it conveys what it needs to.

It's a new 3DS. Parents can't get confused since it plays all the old games. And they can circumvent the "Mom buys kid a New 3DS Game when he only has an Old 3DS" by having distinct and clear packaging. That remains to be seen, but I think it's really possible.

2DS is the far worse name, IMO

They're obviously going to discontinue the other models.

And this. This is definitely a replacement
 
They are closing in on what 45 million units sold? Yeah, they aren't going to stop any time soon. The handheld market doesn't have to be as big as it used to be in order to be worth pursuing. And with the 3DS clearly headed to 50m, don't expect them to stop until the total sales for a gen plummets muuuuuuuuuuch lower than that.

That's great, but shouldn't Nintendo choose to launch a new portable rather than just a beefed up version of this one at the risk of splitting its fanbase?

Seems like Nintendo just wants to keep the Wii-U relevant.

I asked this in the other thread and nobody replied to me.

Perhaps people were expecting a name change numerically or completely, not just an appended word.
 
I'm sure there are many waiting for an Xbox One.Five

Perhaps Nintendo is trying to change video game hardware similar to Apple hardware, and this is what they were referring to when they publicly speak of looking to Apple's models of business. People spend insane amounts of money every year for minimal upgrades to other hardware products, so why should gaming be treated differently when there are obvious benefits to this? Only time will tell, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see this with the Wii U as well.
 
That's great, but shouldn't Nintendo choose to launch a new portable rather than just a beefed up version of this one at the risk of splitting its fanbase?

Seems like Nintendo just wants to keep the Wii-U relevant.

They would basically have to drop support for the 3DS and start preparing the new portable's launch games. It looks like Nintendo wants to ride out the 3DS for two more years while attempting to salvage what they can of the Wii U.
 
Nintendo just keeps getting more and more batshit insane. Wii U and now the "New 3DS" are just mind boggling business decisions that I cannot believe a company would rationally make.

This seems like an awful stop-gap measure to stave off 3DS declines for a year or two, but doesn't look to genuinely add a whole lot of value for either those that do not own a 3DS, or those looking to upgrade. The support on the new device is going to be awful as a result, and 3DS sales will continue to fall in the face of fierce mobile competition.

I have no idea what they are thinking.
It'll stem the decline but not turn the platform around or anything. And honestly that's all Nintendo is probably aiming for looking at their shipping targets. The pricepoints being almost the same as the regular 3DS/XL indicate to me that these handhelds are meant to replace the product line rather than compliment it, so it does add some net value for new consumers just coming in. Existing owners are more debatable but I think we'll still see a good number of people upgrading.

I think game support depends on what sort of tools and dev support Nintendo brings mainly. If they ape their progressive Wii U stance with free Unity/Webkit and then we'll probably see an avalanche of indies rush to the system. If not and it's literally only the 3DS environment with more resources we'll probably be left with just a handful of exclusives and a decent spread of 3DS enhanced offerings from Nintendo and the usual Japanese publishers (Capcom, Square Enix, Bandai Namco, etc). Userbase won't be the limiting factor here.
 
This is just like cars getting mid-gen cycle refresh. Updated cosmetics, refined interior, extra options here n there and slight bump in hp.

I dont see a problem with this. Any nintendo handheld owner knew this was gonna happen based on history.

I welcome this in videogames as long as the content is playable across the different years.
 
That's great, but shouldn't Nintendo choose to launch a new portable rather than just a beefed up version of this one at the risk of splitting its fanbase?

Seems like Nintendo just wants to keep the Wii-U relevant.
Given everything we've been hearing, I doubt Nintendo is ready to release another handheld.

Perhaps people were expecting a name change numerically or completely, not just an appended word.
That doesn't really make the name as horrible as some people seem to be implying that it is.
 
This is dumb. I was going to buy a 3DS XL in the next week or so but I guess that's been put off. Have we heard anything about the price? I really hope that 3DS XL isn't going to launch at $249.

The prices of the new hardware in Japan are the equivalent of $150 for the smaller 3DS, and $180 for the XL

So it'll probably be $150 and $200.
 
I think folks are dillusional if they think this is anything other than Nintendo's next iteration of hardware. Without exclusives, not enough people will upgrade to support the features for it. Which is really the core issue here - folks want games to not be exclusive for it so they can still justfy the console they currently own - which defeats the purpose. Nintendo WANTS you to buy this. They want you to WANT to buy it. The only way to guarantee that is exclusive games.

I view this for what it is: Nintendo's next Handheld system.

3DS sales have actually been shrinking for two straight years. BEtter to get a new system out now then when momentum is lost. ALl the games they really wanted to release on the 3DS are already out.
 
I'm sure there are many waiting for an Xbox One.Five

Perhaps Nintendo is trying to change video game hardware similar to Apple hardware, and this is what they were referring to when they publicly speak of looking to Apple's models of business. People spend insane amounts of money every year for minimal upgrades to other hardware products, so why should gaming be treated differently when there are obvious benefits to this? Only time will tell, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see this with the Wii U as well.
how dare they start doing revisions of their handhelds now when they have never done this before!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually I am so angry about it I'm just going to post without informing myself the tiniest bit.


Some people really should read atleast a bit of the topic before jumping to conclusions. This is not the first time Nintendo has done this and it most likely won't split the user base
 
Right, this is my problem with it in a nutshell:

I get why New 3DS exists, at least on the basic conceptual level. 3DS is on a very dangerous sales trajectory, and it's very difficult to look at that and say sanguinely that Nintendo can simply ride it out for another two years.

The thing is, I fail to understand how New 3DS does anything to meaningfully address that, simply because the factors that are prematurely killing 3DS (primarily the ubiquity of smartphones and tablets, devices which people already carry around with them everywhere, offering a sea of dirt-cheap or "free" games) are far too deep and structural for a stopgap based on the existing 3DS hardware to meaningfully address.

I get that it might be literally impossible to get NintendOS through R&D any sooner than 2016, but I'm far from convinced that releasing what looks to be a quixotic stopgap is really better than the alternative. Right now, I expect that it'll result in a brief sales bump before 3DS family sales quickly drop back to their former levels.
Counterpoint: if the stopgap solution is "port existing software", and the revision is required to get the hardware to the quality necessary to run games like Xenoblade... then more games > less games.
 
If this becomes the hand held port machine for Wii games that I loved then I'll be more than happy to buy downloadable Wii games for it. Even with out that the usability with Monster Hunter, a longer battery life, and better hardware specs will see me buying this anyway.
 
The "New 3DS" looks like a great handheld and I'm glad that it's going to have that extra power but the title and timing just stinks, it's the same problem Nintendo had with the Wii U and I can't believe they made the same mistake again.

Just like the Wii U consumers are going to be confused and think it's just an upgraded version of the console they already own and pass on it when they see the price tag.'

The timing sucks for a bunch of reasons that many people ITT have gone over already so I won't hammer points that have already been driven as far as they can go.

So basically these confused consumers will be better informed than you?
 
In reality, I don't think we'll see a lot of n3DS-only software. Some coming out of Nintendo after Xenoblade, sure, but I don't think they'll switch full-time. I expect a lot more "better on n3DS" releases, like Monster Hunter or Final Fantasy Explorers

And you know, I'm okay with that
 
I refused to upgrade to XL because the only reason I would is if they released the Shin Megami Tensei IV themed XL here or the Persona Q themed XL here, but neither of those have/will happen so I have been stuck with my OG 3DS. But now with better battery life, faceplates, Xenoblade Chronicles, and a few other little improvements in the new 3DS, I have no problem upgrading, I'm actually quite hyped to upgrade. I just hope they have some nicely themed faceplates. The first batch they revealed are awful. Get me some JRPG themed ones, such as SMTIV or Persona Q ones (kinda hopeful, but still I want those!) or have Xenoblade Chronicles ones as a pre-order bonus or club Nintendo reward!
 
I think folks are dillusional if they think this is anything other than Nintendo's next iteration of hardware. Without exclusives, not enough people will upgrade to support the features for it. Which is really the core issue here - folks want games to not be exclusive for it so they can still justfy the console they currently own - which defeats the purpose. Nintendo WANTS you to buy this. They want you to WANT to buy it. The only way to guarantee that is exclusive games.

I view this for what it is: Nintendo's next Handheld system.

3DS sales have actually been shrinking for two straight years. BEtter to get a new system out now then when momentum is lost. ALl the games they really wanted to release on the 3DS are already out.

That theory opens up a whole new can of worms, with the main ones being the fact that if this is supposedly a whole new handheld of a new hardware generation, it features an extremely poor boost in hardware power, doesn't use the unified architecture Iwata promised earlier this year, and it doesn't even have a new name.

You can view this as a 3DS successor if you want, that's your business, but calling people delusional for seeing it as what it is literally called is laughable. It is not a 3DS successor, it is a 3DS. A new 3DS model. A New 3DS.

It's literally in the name, man.
 
It has exclusive titles and there's going to be much more coming, don't be surprised when Nintendo stops making "old" 3DS titles altogether.

The N3DS is to the 3DS as the GBA was to the GBC, it's in a different league than say the SP was to the GBA.
 
They are closing in on what 45 million units sold? Yeah, they aren't going to stop any time soon. The handheld market doesn't have to be as big as it used to be in order to be worth pursuing. And with the 3DS clearly headed to 50m, don't expect them to stop until the total sales for a gen plummets muuuuuuuuuuch lower than that.

Given the YOY declines 3DS has been experiencing, I suspect that that point is coming much sooner than you think it is.
 
That theory opens up a whole new can of worms, with the main ones being the fact that if this is supposedly a whole new handheld of a new hardware generation, it features an extremely poor boost in hardware power, doesn't use the unified architecture Iwata promised earlier this year, and it doesn't even have a new name.

You can view this as a 3DS successor if you want, that's your business, but calling people delusional for seeing it as what it is literally called is laughable. It is not a 3DS successor, it is a 3DS. A new 3DS model. A New 3DS.

It's literally in the name, man.

It's like the people who think the name will cause confusion among passive consumers are even more confused
 
That's great, but shouldn't Nintendo choose to launch a new portable rather than just a beefed up version of this one at the risk of splitting its fanbase?

No they shouldn't. Its been 3.5 years only, and they will sell millions more 3DS and theres plenty of new software still in development....

So no, they shouldn't just randomly end the gen and move to new hardware this quickly at all. I just realized that GAF had quite a few people predict that Nintendo would announce a handheld successor this year around TGS which is soon IIRC. I think I understand the confusion now, many of us told you all that prediction was crazy and was never going to happen..

The 3DS will get a 5 year normal-esque lifespan with a revision just like the DS got the DSi. It won't "Splinter the user base" any more than the DSi did (Hint it didnt...) They will share 99% of the same damn library and all remain the same until its actually time for the successor. Time to get over it guys, they are not going to abandon successful hardware mid gen just because handhelds aren't selling as many as they did last gen.

Given the YOY declines 3DS has been experiencing, I suspect that that point is coming much sooner than you think it is.

Given how many years the chants of "Handhelds are dead" have been going with the 3DS still managing to carve out a sizable success, I imagine that when it doesn't come as soon as you like, we will be in for more threads that resemble "Why is Nintendo still selling handhelds and handheld games! Isnt that industry supposed to be dead by now!?".
 
It has exclusive titles and there's going to be much more coming, don't be surprised when Nintendo stops making "old" 3DS titles altogether.

The N3DS is to the 3DS as the GBA was to the GBC, it's in a different league than say the SP was to the GBA.

nope gba was a new hardware iteration.

the gbc was also but nintendo keeps it in the gameboy line. gba to sp was only a lit screen.

this is still a dsi type upgrade. dsi had exclusive games didnt stop them from making ds games.
 
Umm, what exclusives did the DSi have apart from some clunky minigame esque downloads? It isn't really comparable.

Look them up? Many of them were downloadable. Why exactly wouldnt they count? And while you are looking that up, give me the list of exclusive New 3DS exclusives so you can explain to me why they aren't comparable.
 
Umm, what exclusives did the DSi have apart from some clunky minigame esque downloads? It isn't really comparable.

system flaw and foto showdown the exclusive games list was literally 5 games world wide that hit retail the rest just continued to be digital.
 
system flaw and foto showdown the exclusive games list was literally 5 games world wide that hit retail the rest just continued to be digital.

Didn't they also announce with the DSi launch that it would also have some exclusive software? And what did we get? 5 or so first party exclusives, some downloadable exclusives and 99% of the rest of the games were cross compatible, because what dev would REALLY want to launch a game that isnt cross compatible with 50+ million pre-sold units?

Like.... History is literally repeating itself here, and some people are trying their hardest to pretend none of this looks familiar at all.
 
If they truly plan to completely phase out the 3DS, as in stop 3DS and 3DS XL production and go all in on N3DS and N3DS XL, it would be a pretty raw deal for the millions of early supporters.

If not that, then it depends on how much dedicated first party Nintendo games get released for the N3DS. If it gets all the games everyone wants people will complain, if it gets less than a handful of games everyone wants, then it'll be largely inconsequential.

I don't really support the trend. There will probably be times where I will concede and buy an additional revised console, but I hope this is a rare instance.
 
That theory opens up a whole new can of worms, with the main ones being the fact that if this is supposedly a whole new handheld of a new hardware generation, it features an extremely poor boost in hardware power, doesn't use the unified architecture Iwata promised earlier this year, and it doesn't even have a new name.

You can view this as a 3DS successor if you want, that's your business, but calling people delusional for seeing it as what it is literally called is laughable. It is not a 3DS successor, it is a 3DS. A new 3DS model. A New 3DS.

It's literally in the name, man.

ANd it literally plays games that the 3DS cannot. I don't define generations by "some sort of hardware defition". DOes a system play games that the previous cnanot? It does, so it's a brand new hardware platform.
 
Didn't they also announce with the DSi launch that it would also have some exclusive software? And what did we get? 5 or so first party exclusives, some downloadable exclusives and 99% of the rest of the games were cross compatible, because what dev would REALLY want to launch a game that isnt cross compatible with 50+ million pre-sold units?

Like.... History is literally repeating itself here, and some people are trying their hardest to pretend none of this looks familiar at all.

yup all that is true enhanced 3ds carts will hit soon enough lol.
 
I'm wondering if the plan is to get the thing just powerful enough to run Wii games (which had a great library overall in retrospect) to entice old wii devs to port their old games to a portable console for a simple second chance at making some extra money.

*edit* beaten many times. apparently that's a likely possibility.
 
THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS 5 YEARS AGO WITH AN HD CAPABLE WII. SOMETIMES NINTENDO, I DON'T EVEN...

Yep, I've been saying this for awhile. Launching Wii Motion Plus with a slightly more powerful, HD capable Wii with improved storage would have allowed the brand to remain popular for a lot longer than it did.

Umm, what exclusives did the DSi have apart from some clunky minigame esque downloads? It isn't really comparable.

DSiware had tons of great games. It's foolish to write off an entire library of games that you've never played and are totally unfamiliar with.
 
Umm, what exclusives did the DSi have apart from some clunky minigame esque downloads? It isn't really comparable.

So the entire dsiware line up including the excellent artstyle series as compared to the one wii downport we have at the moment? I'd say the situations are fairly comparable so far. There's little reason to believe at the moment that any publisher is going to abandon the 3ds install base and make a bunch of high quality retail New 3ds exclusives.
 
If you boil down the backlash it's just petty petulance exactly like Bayonetta 2. Xenoblade can't run on a normal 3DS, the port would not exist without the new hardware. Nintendo isn't taking anything away from you. The "if I can't play it no one can!" attitude is really pathetic.

I mean look at this shit.

How? It's either be exclusive or don't exist at all.
I would rather it not exist then.

These people literally want to deprive everyone else of the chance to play Xenoblade on a handheld just because they don't want to upgrade. It makes no sense. It's childish and stupid.
 
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