Is Mainstream Hatred Of Anime Growing?

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The Silver said:
One thing I notice about myself is that whenever I start watching a whole lot of tv dramas,(the Breaking Bads and the The Shields, that stuff) I find it extremely hard to get back into watching anime. I get hypersensitive to tropes and the dialogue and pacing that I can't get through it.(Incidentally Legend of the Galactic Heroes actually did this to me regarding other anime)

It's happening to me right now, I was running through House of Cards and now Lost and I just can't sit through anime right now. Had to stop watching Jojo because the monster of the week formula was wearing down on me, Hunter x Hunter is the only thing I can still watch and even that gets hard to watch.
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I notice a lot of tropes in tv shows too. Just different ones. But they are certainly there in stuff like Bb.
 
cajunator said:
Quite unique.
a very intricate story with a lot of characters in play.
Some haunting music and an overall very foreboding atmosphere of uneasiness. Also not a show children would appreciate (but not a fanservice show)
It does have some adult themes in it.
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Cool then, I'll give it a checking out. I hope it's on Netflix.
 
The Silver said:
One thing I notice about myself is that whenever I start watching a whole lot of tv dramas,(the Breaking Bads and the The Shields, that stuff) I find it extremely hard to get back into watching anime. I get hypersensitive to tropes and the dialogue and pacing that I can't get through it.(Incidentally Legend of the Galactic Heroes actually did this to me regarding other anime)
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Funny enough that sort of happened w/ me yesterday w/ Breaking Bad. So I just decided to finish that up; couldn't hold off to see what happened w/ Walt and the gang, my mind just wouldn't settle until I saw the rest, and I got too much other stuff to do.

But now it's no problem. I just get that way when I'm really invested in one story in particular; every other program (no matter how good or bad) just gets put on the side until I finish it up, however long that takes.

LOTGH is an anime I'd definitely recommend to non-anime fans more often (especially those big into war politics) if more than 3 episodes were translated :P
 
DeaviL said:
I was just browsing and was instantly reminded of this thread again.
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Yeah, it's 4chan. Fear me.
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Huh, what's the spear thing? Looks like a bayonet.
 
madp said:
This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.
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Aww man! I enjoy a break from reality so I like to watch cartoons again, except now they have violence and other stuff I like. Oh man, sometimes it even has a cute girl(s) in it.

Did you know that I shower once a day and brush my teeth twice a day and when I'm really feeling it I even use some of that dang pit stick. I was also totally obnoxious and loved to just throw my dakimakura at people and tell them that their irl girlfriend was so shit! My girlfriend for the year I had her was the absolute best and she wasn't even a pillow! I hated going places on the weekends to hang out with friends and socialize. It was pretty awful! Now I just sit at home and be creepy on the INTERNET and watch Strike Witches all day because that's my favorite Anime!

Aww man, the Anime life is the life for me! I could never think of doing anything else in life! I'm gonna move to Japan and be a creepy man there because I just love love love Anime!

See ya later bitches!
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Sarcasm may or may not be a huge role in this post.
 
Haly said:
There are sites like Sakugabooru that collect only the best nuggets of animation from various shows, which could be a good resource for someone in your position, akin to Ghibli's works.
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Welp. Time to start my Nichijou webm folder.

And for those saying Hyouka, out of the following two: Hyouka for visuals and Mouryou no Hako for writing.
 
Hypemaster said:
I find that the opposite is happening. More people are giving anime a chance.
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Yeah, this might actually be true. There was a large and diverse audience at the The Wind Rises screening I went to with my dad a couple months back. And the movie had already been in U.S. theaters for a while by then, so I was really surprised. These people probably weren't Ghibli super-fans or anything. They were just looking to see a good movie.

Also, two of the most social and popular people I knew in college had anime posters on their walls. Plus there's a few rappers and even athletes who are openly otaku.
 
Toparaman said:
Yeah, this might actually be true. There was a large and diverse audience at the The Wind Rises screening I went to with my dad a couple months back. And the movie had already been in U.S. theaters for a while by then, so I was really surprised. These people probably weren't Ghibli super-fans or anything. They were just looking to see a good movie.

Also, two of the most social and popular people I knew in college had anime posters on their walls. Plus there's a few rappers and even athletes who are openly otaku.
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Eskimos of the 1900's didn't dream of white sand beaches and palm trees. I have a twenty year old nephew who loves to draw it and even goes to anime conventions. At his age I was idolizing Jim Lee. We are all products of our time.
 
RedSwirl said:
I think anime's popularity in the west has gone in peaks and troughs since roughly the late 80's, the most recent peak being the early 00's explosion during which the industry probably reached too far. The following "crash" combined with the subsequent global financial crisis kinda fucked up both the anime industry and Japan's video game industry. As a result, both have decided to double down on the very most hardcore fans with an increased focus on loli and fanservice anime, which is off-putting to pretty much anyone else. Loli and fanservice were always a thing in anime, at least since the 80's, but I feel like it's become a bigger part of the anime industry over the last few years, and it's repelling more westerners.

That industry waning also severely lessened the amount of broadcast anime which I think has given it less exposure. A whole generation of anime fans started out on Toonami when it exposed them to the likes of DBZ and Gundam. There's nothing putting anime like that on mainstream TV these days. Toonami's late Saturday night block, Funimation's streaming site, other localization producer sites, and Crunchyroll are great if you're already into anime, but it's not gonna cross the vision of someone new to it. Hulu has a ton of anime as well, but I don't know how often those shows might show up on the front page. Same goes for Netflix.

Provocative, mature anime like many of the greats from the 90's and 00's (Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Trigun, etc.) are still being produced today, but they are probably harder to find. They also get less attention than the fanservice stuff these days. I can definitely admit I watch a lot less anime now than I did 10 years ago. When I look at the chart for the latest season of anime it's pretty much just a shitload of high school drama shows, many filled with fanservice, and maybe one other type of show I might be interested in. Right now I'm only watching the Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Kai, Space Dandy Season 2 on my DVR, and I'm going to check out what Zankyou no Terror is like. Luckily, over the last couple years a lot of the classics from the previous 20 years are finally being released on Blu-Ray in the west: The Ghibli movies, Tenchi, Cowboy Bebop, DBZ, Ghost in the Shell, Lain, basically the stuff that got current fans into anime.

I think the most major thing people forget about anime is how diverse it is. People often ask Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation what he thinks of anime (expecting he has views similar to Giant Bomb) and he always says in reply that you can't really like or hate *all* anime because it isn't really a genre, it's a medium.
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Yeah this is how I am. It has driven me backwards with watching anime, but maybe, just a small maybe, I might find a modern anime that does interest me. I was disappointed in Space Dandy though, I haven't found any of the jokes to be very funny =/.

As for anime reaching the front page, Sailor Moon had been doing that on Hulu recently because people had really missed the show. You don't really see that kind of excitement for a lot of anime these days.
 
Nanashrew said:
Yeah this is how I am. It has driven me backwards with watching anime, but maybe, just a small maybe, I might find a modern anime that does interest me. I was disappointed in Space Dandy though, I haven't found any of the jokes to be very funny =/.

As for anime reaching the front page, Sailor Moon had been doing that on Hulu recently because people had really missed the show. You don't really see that kind of excitement for a lot of anime these days.
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I like a lot of artistic stylish anime like Jinrui, Tsuritama, trapeze, gatchaman Crowds
perhaps look into those? They are something different from the usual fare.
 
I think dudes hate Weaboos more than anything else. I believe in general people are tolerant of anime but don't particularly like the OTT or fanservice/softcore stuff which is often time the most popular at a given moment.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Please do. Here are my requirements:

- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"

- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert

- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated

I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.

Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
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This isnt a list of common complaints, its your very specific list of preferences. You are more than welcome to them (who wouldn't want better written women, after all?), but "not an affordable price" isn't really a criticism of the content of a genre. And "no giant robots" is no more a criticism than "no cowboys" is of American works. Its a subgenre you may easily avoid, not a fatal flaw of the medium.

I only emphasize this because you responded with a list of preferences to someone who was talking complaints, and though you could argue a relationship between the two, they're still separate, distinct concepts; and I didn't think it was right for people to think an entire medium was failing to address its criticisms because it could not address your preferences.

This is neither a criticism of those preferences, which, as your own are perfectly valid, nor an attempt to dissuade others from seeking to name an anime meeting the criteria, since I'm all for people doing solids and helping each other find what they like. I just wanted to clarify this point, which had caught in my craw.
 
Chairmanchuck said:
I just wonder how it would be animated. I mean a major part of the manga are the beautiful and detailed drawings.
I think if it would be animated it would lose quite a lot of its charm.
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Otoyomegatari is one of the few manga that should left un-adapted into something else, unless they have the budget of a movie for every episodes.
Dead said:
I laughed at cum encrusted keyboards
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That's what happened when you use too much "sticky white stuff"
Heroman said:
Like most thing, everything is shit , and only a few things are worth your time. For every breaking bad you have show like the walking dead etc. Modern anime is no different ,every year I find atleast 10 things. that are worth my time.
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I'm confused as well. There are definitely shits, Sturgeon's Law always hold true. But even then, the rest of 10% should be enough to keep us entertained.
Toxi said:
Huh, what's the spear thing? Looks like a bayonet.
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That's definitely a bayonet.
 
Animes are no different than games.

There are crap and shameful stuff amongst the good and the best stuff.

So it's always been amusing to me to see whenever nerds of one side are making fun of nerds of the other side as if their preferred hobby is "higher" than the other.
 
Laughing Banana said:
Animes are no different than games.

There are crap and shameful stuff amongst the good and the best stuff.

So it's always been amusing to me to see whenever nerds of one side are making fun of nerds of the other side as if their preferred hobby is "higher" than the other.
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Especially since anime fans are also heavy gamers a lot of times
 
Stumpokapow said:
Please do. Here are my requirements:

- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"

- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert

- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated

I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.

Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
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Have you tried Paranoia Agent?


Edit: hmmmm... i seem to have not refreshed this thread in some time :(
glad to see paranoia agent was on the tip of many tongues as well.
 
squidyj said:
Have you tried Paranoia Agent?


Edit: hmmmm... i seem to have not refreshed this thread in some time :(
glad to see paranoia agent was on the tip of many tongues as well.
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Seriously, such a fucking cool show. I've been trying to watch it with my girlfriend, but we haven't had the chance.

It's one of my favorite shows of all time.
 
Mumei said:
Let's not. Trigun exists in that border between "mediocre" and "pretty good."
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My theory is that people watched Trigun with 11-15 years, and now the nostalgia clouds their judgment. If they would watch it as new today, they would notice....
it's really cliched and mediocre.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Please do. Here are my requirements:

- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"

- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert

- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated

I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.

Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
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Seirei no Moribito: Not a modern setting, but a mythical feudal Asian setting revolving around a Balsa, a female bodyguard, and as she tries to redeem herself for the loss of 8 lives by protecting a prince who's father tried to have him assassinated b/c they think he's possessed by a water demon. This is one of my favorite anime series of all time. 26 episodes, and the middle does get a little slow as they start to show how Balsa and the prince start to settle into their new lives, but I believe it's worth it. Newly license rescued by Viz and available on Blu-ray on Amazon.

Perfect Blue: 1990's "modern" - but it's a thriller/psychological drama that's a pretty scathing critique of Japan's idol culture. Especially relevant w/ all the harassment and death threats going on in the gaming industry these days. Black Swan probably ripped off large portions of this movie. DVD is out of print so it's a little pricey on Amazon (~$60 new).

Paprika: Technically it has a robot in it, but likely not the kind of robot you were thinking of when you wrote your list. It's about dream machine used for therapy that's hijacked for nefarious purposes. It falters a bit at the end, but the intro sequence and opening credits alone are worth it. Available on Blu-Ray for dirt cheap.

Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex: it's a stretch, but it's still an amazing quality show. It's basically a police procedural. As such, it can veer off into technobabble a little too much sometimes, but it's a two season show (52 episodes total) which gives it plenty of time to explore many themes relating to AI, technological advancement, and the human condition among all these things. Some of my favorite episodes are the ones dealing with the Major's past and coming to grips with her cyborg body. The Major's the only real female character of note, but she's in charge. Available on DVD, and used to be streaming on Netflix. I don't know if it still is b/c I don't have Netflix anymore.
 
madp said:
This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.
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Goddamn.

You have balls. Props for that.
 
Finalow said:
Planetes sexist? Lol. please keep these jokes coming
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Planetes is my go-to "anime can be good drama" recommendation but I've honestly never seen anything else in that style. Drama for grownups.

I've seen lots and lots of anime, but most of it is either fairly sexist (I don't particularly care tbh, sorry if that makes me an asshole), childish or insanely melodramatic. As such, I fell off big time in my mid-20s and haven't really gone back to it. Much like bronies, could a big part of this be grownups seeing "the kids" doing something they don't understand and reacting against it?

Embarrassing fan-culture doesn't help matters at all though, much like in comics.
 
Madp is the best!

Stumpokapow said:
Please do. Here are my requirements:

-Snip-
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.

Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
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I want to recommend Hanada Shonen Shi or Piano no Mori

but i think it's not available in America? No J-pop, but i hope you like backstreet boy or classical music

For other recommendation, there's La Maison en Petits Cubes aka Tsukimi no ie

No subtitles needed since there's no dialogue, and it's a short anime.
 
Heroman said:
There is, It may not be 10 % but you should find some anime you like.
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But if the ratio is like that, how do "normal" people get to know such anime?

Everyones talking about SAO, Attack on Titan or even DBZ, so the normal person wont ever know that there are things like Tatami Galaxy, Paranoia Agent or such out there.
 
Chairmanchuck said:
But if the ratio is like that, how do "normal" people get to know such anime?

Everyones talking about SAO, Attack on Titan or even DBZ, so the normal person wont ever know that there are things like Tatami Galaxy, Paranoia Agent or such out there.
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By looking it up,or waiting to hear recommendations from people. Also those big show each season hurt anime mainstream ,as they might not be for every body or may not be good.
 
Heroman said:
By looking it up,or waiting to hear recommendations from people. Also those big show each season hurt anime mainstream ,as they might not be for every body or may not be good.
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But normal people dont wanna look it up. And I would say the people who like Monster, Paranoia Agent and these is kinda small nowadays compared to the ones that love to watch ecchi-shows or the newest Shounen.
So you hear "Oh. You want a mature anime? Watch Elfenlied. So much blood!!!"

So the recommendations they get are often "wrong".
 
Chairmanchuck said:
But normal people dont wanna look it up. And I would say the people who like Monster, Paranoia Agent and these is kinda small nowadays compared to the ones that love to watch ecchi-shows or the newest Shounen.
So you hear "Oh. You want a mature anime? Watch Elfenlied. So much blood!!!"

So the recommendations they get are often "wrong".
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But normal people never will watch anime. Not becasue it bad or anything just because it not made for our market. So if someone want to get in to it they will have to search. Recommendation that are bad really hurt it to. I mean remember when sao was big and everybody was recommending it , so many people stop watching anime because of that.
 
The Technomancer said:
That's why I recommended Satoshi Kon's stuff. Women in Japan, as a theme or subtheme, was basically his area of specialty
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His area of speciality (alongside slick transitions) was repression and obsession and how it causes malfunction, which the traditional gender roles/male gaze/etc fall into. Except for film, which he never turns a critical eye to, because he is a fanboy. When ever he needs an example of a "healthy" fan of something, they are into cinema.
 
Real Hero said:
anything that engages with real world political or social issues
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I don't think you're going to find a lot that's exactly like The Wire, but there are some which delve into that territory pretty well.

  • Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex
  • Gasaraki
  • Gundam ZZ (there's an episode with commentary on desertification)
  • Brain Powered (diverse cast, interesting character relationships, social commentary on states of war and man's relationship with nature
  • Patlabor 1+2 (very political movies)

There are likely others I'm forgetting ATM.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
I don't think you're going to find a lot that's exactly like The Wire, but there are some which delve into that territory pretty well.

  • Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex
  • Gasaraki
  • Gundam ZZ (there's an episode with commentary on desertification)
  • Brain Powered (diverse cast, interesting character relationships, social commentary on states of war and man's relationship with nature
  • Patlabor 1+2 (very political movies)

There are likely others I'm forgetting ATM.
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I'm wondering what is TV's Ghost in the Shell?
 
Mesousa said:
There was a point, I am guessing in the early 00's, where it looked set to take over the US. I remember anime being integrated completely with saturday morning cartoons, and Toonami/Adult swim was the hottest thing cartoon Network had at the time. Things fell off hard though. I watched some episodes of cowboy bebop a few weeks(maybe months now I dunno) and it doesnt even feel the same. Some shows really speak to you at a moment in your life, and then become useless afterwards.
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Cowboy Bebop got famous in the West, while being ignored in Japan
 
Real Hero said:
What is animes 'the wire'?
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Legend of the Galactic Heroes is probably the closest comparison, in that it makes an effort to show political corruption as an inherently human characteristic rather than an ideological failure. It's not a fair comparison, though, The Wire is one of the most competent shows to have ever been televised.
 
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