I've tried to convince my family to use it to no avail. I've even set up my parents with password managers but I don't even think they use it. I hope this changes their goddamn minds.
Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?
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I've tried to convince my family to use it to no avail. I've even set up my parents with password managers but I don't even think they use it. I hope this changes their goddamn minds.
Yep, that's victim blaming alright.
Definitely.
Always-honest
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It is victim blaming for a part. It's also being realistic about the chance of this stuff being hacked. It's not the first time this has happened.
Really private stuff should be better protected by yourself and people should not rely on technology or others.
Should iCloud be this safe? Yes. Do i trust it to be this safe? No. History has proven otherwise multiple times.
I hope this crime (i think it is) helps in awareness.
But sure, they ARE victims. I don't think Ricky Gervais would deny that.
Or try to rape them saying they were asking to get raped etc., Sarcasm.
Always-honest
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Touchée.
Great response. And unlike most of the others, she looks great in those pics.
I think that's the thing. If it's an option people are going to choose the path of least resistance and use their chosen user/pass (the same one they use for every site).
The thing is there's no guarantee the site is storing that information in a secure way. So you might think it's safe but a bunch of weak passwords and a poorly configured server later your photos are online.
You'd like to think Apple know what they're doing but even if your system is 100% bullet proof NSA approved there's always social engineering which has been the cause of many 'hacks'
idk, people just need to take this stuff more seriously. The NSA stuff was met with a shrug of the shoulders by most people. Maybe this is as good as it gets.
I don't want to take the argument that extreme. I'm really just trying to say that people that would obviously be against upskirt creep shots are willing to blame these celebrities because they really want to see the pictures. The morality of it goes out the window when you want the ill gotten goods.
What does that have to do with anything?
The Librarian
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The best way to not have anything stolen from you is to not have any property.
If you want to see women doing sexual acts, there are plenty of free sources where it is completely consensual. It's sick how so many people value the fact that it is against these women's will to look at it. That's the grossest part, the fact that people are turned on by the fact that these women are deeply embarrassed by these pictures being released. If you can't restrain yourself from feeding such a sick desire for the sake of not contributing to somebody's public humiliation, then I can't hold a lot of respect for you. I'm glad a lot of people in the circle if people I know are making their opinion known about this.
Alligatorjandro
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I'm glad I keep my nudes taken with a Polaroid locked in a safe.
The best way for someone not to kill you is to already be dead.
Yep. And the best way to prevent being attacked is to stay home and be a hermit.
It's ridiculous how low some people will stoop to blame victims.
Edit: Omg Mariolee LOL
There are ONLY 3 parties to a crime:
1) The principal
2) The accessory before the fact
3) Accessory after the fact (i.e. "harboring a fugitive")
And if you're not the principal (the perpetrator), you're one of the other two. And since no one here is harboring a fugitive, you'd have to be an accessory before the fact.....which requires that the person intend to assist the principal in committing the crime. This is not present here, and thus you cannot call someone looking up pictures a "party to a crime".
Both accessories (before and after) are liable for the crime to the same extent as the principal, hence the word "crime" in the phrase "party to a crime"
I don't know what country you're talking about, but I'm talking about criminal liability in the United States.
What question?
IncandescentPrecept
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If I were them, I'd just go home and roll around in a pile cash and sleep it off.
Kitschkraft
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This would be unfathomable to me.
Now if they had celebrities on tape slurring people (blacks, gays, jews, whoever) sure. But I think that a company would take a savage pr hit if they used this stuff against her.
If anything, she probably only lost an opportunity to later market her "first topless scene" (Assuming Hollywood still does that).
thereisnoif
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For the general masses though I think you have to KISS.
I wish more sites would use two-factor authentication, too :\
Black Stabbath
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All this jlaw talk and poor Jude law woke up probably thinking he had become relevan t again over night 
I'm sorry... what? What exact point were you trying to make here?
Was this a private conversation between you and your wife that someone hacked in to posted online without your will? Or was this some dumb shit you willingly wrote yourself in a public forum?
The fact you think this is sound logic speaks volumes about the rest of your opinions.
I get your point, but like with most things, there isn't just a clear black and white delineation on the matter. There's a gradient and grey area.
People have different ideas of where that line is regarding victim responsibility in minimising risks.
For example, I was burgled several times. Of course the burglar is in the wrong, but there's an entire gradient of being a home owner and being responsible for your security. Is it my fault I had breakable glass windows?I don't anyone would hold me accountable for that. But what if I left a window open? Or the front door unlocked, or the front door open with a big arrows and a sign saying I'm not home?
I'm not giving my own view on this matter, just saying that the gradient is what causes these kinds of differing opinions. I think this situation is unfortunate.
The victims are in no way to be blamed, as there SHOULD be a matter of trust in the service. But SHOULD is a pretty precarious word on internet matters. It's unfortunate that people aren't informed properly of the potential consequences of certain actions.
Even when they are, people often make bad judgements regardless. I don't think you can blame them for being human.
Well...if you look at that 4chan link talking about the trading ring there is a site mentioned that kinda does that, infiltration and stealing people's pics...
All this jlaw talk and poor Jude law woke up probably thinking he had become relevan t again over night
Well, we all know what would make him have this level of attention.
I'll admit, he surprised me there. I don't think I've ever seen a worse comparison.
The difference is people like me are better equipped at handling these situations.
Let's not act like I'm devoid of compassion as a human being because I will look at leaked nudes of high profile celebrities, christ.
If these leaks do serious harm to those affected, they should obviously be helped.
Those that stole and breached a person's private property should obviously be persecuted.
You're simply blowing this way out of proportion, and given you're post history, have a tendency to be over dramatic.
She looks hot in them, jen lawrence doesn't.
Are people really taking this whole thing seriously?
edit: also, thanks everybody involved in iCloud or w/e security for all the laughs today.
I think you're right, that technically viewing the photos (assuming overage) is not criminally liable. Intentionally hosting the photos might be (if it can be tied to commercial advantage or financial gain). However, searching out the photos is THEORETICALLY liable to civil copyright infringement, at least in certain states. But I think it might be hard to demonstrate damages, much less prove who viewed / did not view the photos.
captainnapalm
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I feel bad for the women involved. It's a terrible invasion of privacy.
If you're young, famous and female, I think you are just going to have to accept you can't take these kinds of pictures. If you must, do it with one of those old-timey cameras. Seriously, coat a piece of paper with silver chloride and expose it to light. Anything but your phone.
If you're young, famous and female, I think you are just going to have to accept you can't take these kinds of pictures. If you must, do it with one of those old-timey cameras. Seriously, coat a piece of paper with silver chloride and expose it to light. Anything but your phone.
Always-honest
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I know, i know. And i agree. I was trying to defend Ricky because i think (think) he just doesn't trust the safety of technology.
But this information should have been unhackable and these people were misleaded.
The Elite
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True.
Most people do have property though and it's best to keep it secure by having your door locked. The more secure the lock the more secure the property.
Comparing people to property doesn't really work though.
Yeah, the best deterrent in this case would be if these women, and one Justin Verlander (he's a victim, just look at his ERA) didn't make photos like this in the first place. They then made the mistake of allowing their pictures onto a networked storage system. Silly, very silly of them. I'd advise against it. Advising against doing something that has a risk to it isn't victim blaming, it's being cautious and proactive.
HOWEVER.
You can't blame them when someone goes out of their way to steal their pics. It's a deliberate invasion of their privacy and criminal. They are victims and this must be horrible for them.
Unhackable?
Anyone who thinks anything is unhackable is foolish.
neogaffer1
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Has this stuff been posted yet?
Supposedly the community at anon-ib.org/stol/ is the ring, or at least a major part of it. Here's some supposed proof.
Also related:
Those are posters on that board calling for the filedump to be released (going out with a bang, as it may be.)
At this point this is more interesting for the meltdown and chaos it's creating among these communities rather than the nude pics themselves.
Supposedly the community at anon-ib.org/stol/ is the ring, or at least a major part of it. Here's some supposed proof.
Also related:
Those are posters on that board calling for the filedump to be released (going out with a bang, as it may be.)
At this point this is more interesting for the meltdown and chaos it's creating among these communities rather than the nude pics themselves.
This is some ridiculous straw man.
Just pointing out that taking nudes and putting them in the cloud is certainly not advisable if you want them to remain private is in no way is victim blaming.
Again, I don't see how that's relevant at all.
I find it somewhat disturbing that how Kirsten Dunst looks in the leaked pics is somehow a mark in her favor to you.
I'm sure you'd take it slightly more seriously if the leaked pics were of you or someone you care about.
LOL, of course I would. I couldn't help but calling them idiots for taking these pics in the first place though. But as it is today, I'm just an innocent bystander having a laugh.
MoodyFog
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Are you one of these celebrities or do you care about them?
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If the victims were primarily male celebrities, especially internet darlings like Weird Al, the Internet would be urging that people leave the celebrities alone. Instead there's a lot more "share it, who cares" than there would be in the alternate universe.
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If the victims were primarily male celebrities, especially internet darlings like Weird Al, the Internet would be urging that people leave the celebrities alone. Instead there's a lot more "share it, who cares" than there would be in the alternate universe.
I'm waiting for the day where telling a kid to look before crossing the street gets called victim blaming
Yes. You have to go to Settings > iCloud > Photos > and toggle the "My Photo Stream" feature on. That screen specifically describes exactly what is going to happen (something like 'your photos will be automatically uploaded to the cloud and synced to all your devices').
Every web service is vulnerable to attacks and/or social engineering. Just about everything has been compromised at one point, whether it was a widespread hack like the PSN thing or targeting specific users like all those Xbox Live accounts being hacked for the Halo 3 recon armor crap (sigh).
I don't think it's reasonable to expect 100% flawless security from anything on the internet.
Or she may not care at all. Plenty of people out there who wouldn't.
The Elite
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That's why I said a "measure of security". The definition as to what that measure of security would be is best left up to the courts though. What kind of security should the public expect from Apple's iCloud? What is reasonable to expect?
That's all that needs to be said. Did I really have to piss you off in order for you to show sensitivity? No I didn't. Stop trying to be proud and show some basic human emotion.
I don't call it over dramatic. I call it passionate!
Dark Ninja
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My guess is dropbox probably had to do with alot of the leaks just because its easy to miss the automatic upload warning as it is a popup that appears when you want to upload something to dropbox off your mobile device. Everytime you access dropbox after that your photos will sync. Apple will and already is taking the major PR hit though
I agree. It's safe to say most would and she has every right to care.
Yeah that must be the worst.
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