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[BeforeU]

"flagrant violation of privacy."

"The authorities have been contacted and will prosecute anyone who posts the stolen photos of Jennifer Lawrence," the publicist said.


Can they do this? Prosecute everyone who share the pics? isn't that like hundreds of thousands of people?

 

[Sketchbag]

Are you arguing that celebrities don't know that they can get hacked? What exactly are you arguing? Please help me understand the point of your post.

That a lot of people including celebrities don't know much about computers to think they can get hacked or know how they can get hacked.

How is this a contentious point?

 

[Always-honest]

There's no such thing as "Unhackable". If it was made by man, another man can break it. It just takes time and someone willing to do it.

Again, THAT is the point everyone should know. It should be common sense.
But for iCloud to be safe to upload private pictures, it should be unhackable. And, it's not.
I thought my point was clear.

 

[The Elite]

Okay, then.


Are you arguing that celebrities don't know that they can get hacked? What exactly are you arguing? Please help me understand the point of your post.

First, celebrities are people. They are no different from everyone else when it comes to computers. Some are experts and some don't know a computer from a microwave. Most have a limited understanding of how they work but manage to get by.

A lot of people tend to ignore security when it comes to working with computer networks. They know about hacking and they've heard about it happening but at the same time they don't really do much to protect themselves. Again, this is not just celebrities. There are a lot of people like this.

I don't think there is a real argument there. If there is one it's that people just need to be cautious when putting sensitive material on networked systems. Can you really argue against that?

 

[Kinyou]

"flagrant violation of privacy."

"The authorities have been contacted and will prosecute anyone who posts the stolen photos of Jennifer Lawrence," the publicist said.


Can they do this? Prosecute everyone who share the pics? isn't that like hundreds of thousands of people?

It would be surprising but I guess also not impossible. What I can imagine is that they'll go after the image hosts

 

[WordsintheWater]

I'm not the one who brought up her looks. I was asking that poster why he felt the need to bring up her appearance when he was purportedly commenting on her Twitter response. He still hasn't responded.

The reason I keep coming back to it is because these womens' appearance in the leaked pics is utterly irrelevant yet some posters continue to mention it. It was like the poster was giving Kirsten Dunst extra credit for her opinion because he approved of her appearance.

I didn't get that at all from what he said. Sometimes it just boils down to he made a comment because he felt like saying she was attractive, no other reason.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The lesson is don't put your private stuff where people can get at it.

Can the lesson be none of us chooses to tolerate this as a regular thing and instead we go after anyone who does this to any human instead of having all of free humanity moderate itself?

 

[The Elite]

"flagrant violation of privacy."

"The authorities have been contacted and will prosecute anyone who posts the stolen photos of Jennifer Lawrence," the publicist said.


Can they do this? Prosecute everyone who share the pics? isn't that like hundreds of thousands of people?

I imagine it will be treated like any sort of pirated material. There will be lots of cease and desist orders sent out.

Can the lesson be none of us chooses to tolerate this as a regular thing and instead we go after anyone who does this to any human instead of having all of free humanity moderate itself?

Yeah, a lesson in this situation is a pretty shitty thing to look for. That being said, advising caution and being proactive in the protection of your own privacy isn't bad advice. There are always going to be the scum who do this so your never going to stop it completely. We can go after them all we want but there are going to be more who take their place. Being security conscious isn't a bad thing. That isn't to say the celebrities in this case aren't victims, someone stole from them.

 

[Winterfang]

"flagrant violation of privacy."

"The authorities have been contacted and will prosecute anyone who posts the stolen photos of Jennifer Lawrence," the publicist said.


Can they do this? Prosecute everyone who share the pics? isn't that like hundreds of thousands of people?

I'm guessing just the public ones, not a random person that post then on WhatsApp.

 

[Volimar]

Farhad Manjoo ‏@fmanjoo 41m

I’ve never heard anyone respond to financial hacking by saying, Just don’t use online banking. That’s what you get for using credit cards.

 

[hodayathink]

If that was off his phone and not Kate Upton's. Who are those other chicks, dude got exposed.

The Upton pics are from Verlander's phone, not Upton. And there were girls besides her on it.

 

[CrankyJay]

Farhad Manjoo ‏@fmanjoo 41m

This isn't exactly analogous...

 

[ZaCH3000]

Can the lesson be none of us chooses to tolerate this as a regular thing and instead we go after anyone who does this to any human instead of having all of free humanity moderate itself?

Sounds like a lot of time, money and energy is required for such a solution to be even feasible. Are we sure this problem warrants such action?

Here's your chance to persuade me and many others.

 

[rokkerkory]

thank god i never used icloud (edit: turned it OFF on all devices)

 

[Kinyou]

Farhad Manjoo ‏@fmanjoo 41m

I like to imagine that online banking is a bit more secure than icloud


If there was some badly protected online banking service out there people would scold others for using it.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Farhad Manjoo ‏@fmanjoo 41m

Yeah cause taking nudes of yourself wearing nothing or skimpy clothing is a necessity of life. And uploading them on the internet, that too.


I dont feel sorry for the celebs. These guys get shredded to reach the point of status they are at now. They view themselves more as brands than anything else. Its a general assumption and wont apply to all but these people are vanity lovers and are obsessed with appearance and how they are perceived in public. Them taking nudes with that mindset is contradictory if they couldnt stand them being released to the public. Not saying releasing them is right cause its wrong, but all the 'victim' support outpouring is getting annoying.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Sounds like a lot of time, money and energy is required for such a solution to be even feasible. Are we sure this problem warrants such action?

Here's your chance to persuade me and many others.

"Why should we go after people who hack into other people's private stuff"?

 

[railGUN]

"Why should we go after people who hack into other people's private stuff"?

Who's "we"?

If celebs don't want their nudes floating around, don't take them with portable, easily steal-able devices that are set to automatically sync to the cloud. That's not victim blaming, it's common fucking sense.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

That's not victim blaming, it's common fucking sense.

This is what people say when they are victim blaming.

Why is your post on them for taking photos like normal people everywhere do all the time instead of being on the pieces of shit who stole it and shared it?

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Who's "we"?

If celebs don't want their nudes floating around, don't take them with portable, easily steal-able devices that are set to automatically sync to the cloud. That's not victim blaming, it's common fucking sense.

in theory i agree with you, in practice i think it's victim blaming.

 

[ZaCH3000]

Who's "we"?

If celebs don't want their nudes floating around, don't take them with portable, easily steal-able devices that are set to automatically sync to the cloud. That's not victim blaming, it's common fucking sense.

Common fucking sense, boom.

I also never said lets not go after hackers who steal people's stuff. I'm simply stating stealing nudes of celebrities is basically a misdemeanor on the hackers spectrum.

Now, if those hackers suddenly started blackmailing celebrities, then that is malicious enough to warrant an investigation.

Btw, thanks for confirming my belief that all you are capable of contributing to this forum, and hell, society as a whole, more fucking problems instead of solutions. There is my issue with your post, and the majority of others on GAF, and regular folk off of the internet.

"Let's complain about A, then complain some more about A never changing."

 

[nomis]

Who's "we"?

If celebs don't want their nudes floating around, don't take them with portable, easily steal-able devices that are set to automatically sync to the cloud. That's not victim blaming, it's common fucking sense.

Like every other term the internet loves to abuse, "victim blame" seems to have far too wide a purview.

I think the most reasonable calling out of "victim blamers" involves when they talk about rape, because saying "she shouldn't have gone to X" or "shouldn't have worn Y" is bullshit when someone just wants to live their life. The onus should be on preventing perpetrators from wanting to do something so heinous in the first place.

People take it to the extreme when someone gets hurt and they didn't exercise a modicum of caution or common sense, then to say they might have been proactive in avoiding it is to say it's all their fault.

 

[railGUN]

This is what people say when they are victim blaming.

Why is your post on them for taking photos like normal people everywhere do all the time instead of being on the pieces of shit who stole it and shared it?

Because there is nothing for the piece of shit to steal, with a little common sense. Much easier to ask reasonable people to be sensible, rather than trying to convince a piece of shit to not be one, IMO.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

People take it to the extreme when someone gets hurt and they didn't exercise a modicum of caution or common sense, then to say they might have been proactive in avoiding it is to say it's all their fault.

Are you saying that about this story?

 

[sgossard]

It's called empathy. They're still people even though they're famous.

I'm still waiting on you to explain what your appraisal of Kirsten Dunst's tits has to do with anything.


No, not particularly. But I'm still able to feel sympathy for what some of these women must be going through at the moment.

Did I ever mention ms. Dunst's breasts? Or as you refer to them "tits"?

 

[Future]

No one is gonna feel bad about victims saving sex tapes or nude photos. While it's true that some focus should be put on the hackers, most people will victim blame in this scenario.

Would people still victim blame if it wasn't a sex scandal. If I put important work docs on a google drive and it got hacked, would I still be blamed? What if I had them on my own hardrive and someone hacked into it and retrieved them. There would be less victim blaming in both scenarios.

When it comes to sex though... No fun allowed! Take a pic of yourself and then your account is a treasure trove ready for hacking unfortunately.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

I've been signed out of iCloud on both my iPad and Mac. I don't have two factor on, but I do have a random 20+ character password. Anyone else getting iCloud issues?

 

[faceless007]

So how many of you use Gmail or iCloud mail or some other cloud email and have ever sent an email that you would not want made public? Family matters, personal finance matters, job-related matters, venting to friends, etc.? Those are on the cloud too. How many of you use Dropbox or Google Drive to store any kind of personal documents?

Just wondering how many of you take this "don't store anything personal in the cloud" mantra to its logical conclusion.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

No one is gonna feel bad about victims saving sex tapes or nude photos. While it's true that some focus should be put on the hackers, most people will victim blame in this scenario.

Would people still victim blame if it wasn't a sex scandal. If I put important work docs on a google drive and it got hacked, would I still be blamed? What if I had them on my own hardrive and someone hacked into it and retrieved them. There would be less victim blaming in both scenarios.

When it comes to sex though... No fun allowed! Take a pic of yourself and then your account is a treasure trove ready for hacking unfortunately.

Way to paint with broad strokes.

 

[KingGondo]

Did I ever mention ms. Dunst's breasts? Or as you refer to them "tits"?

My bad. It's entirely possible that you intended to compliment her expertly-applied eyeshadow.

 

[nomis]

Are you saying that about this story?

No not necessarily, there were hundreds of celebrities "hacked" or socially engineered in some way, I don't have the required knowledge of all their circumstances to say they "didn't exercise a modicum of common sense".

I was talking about extremes.

 

[Cloudy]

If this is really proven to be an Apple thing, it's NOT a good look with NFC payments coming to iphone 6

 

[Lime]

Anyone looking at and sharing these pictures need to take a real hard look at themselves.

I dont feel sorry for the celebs. These guys get shredded to reach the point of status they are at now. They view themselves more as brands than anything else. Its a general assumption and wont apply to all but these people are vanity lovers and are obsessed with appearance and how they are perceived in public. Them taking nudes with that mindset is contradictory if they couldnt stand them being released to the public. Not saying releasing them is right cause its wrong, but all the 'victim' support outpouring is getting annoying.

She was asking for it, right?

 

[brianmcdoogle]

Apple ID Disabled:

Your Apple ID has been disabled for security reasons. To enable your account reset  your password at iforgot.apple.com

Yup. Last half-hour or so, I kept getting login issues. Now this is on my iPad.

Is no one else having issues?

 

[Phoenix]

Unless I'm wrong, they were storing old backups. Say you took a photo yesterday and deleted it today, tomorrow you could restore the backup from yesterday, which had the photo, or the one from today which doesn't. The old backups need to keep the deleted photos in case you deleted them accidentally. "You probably deleted it for a reason" wouldn't cut it if you lost something incredibly valuable to you.

There is an expectation by the user that the deleted items are gone forever, and there is verbiage at the time of deletion that says that these items are gone. If they aren't gone forever, the system holding said data should explicitly state that. Now I know that some of this data is kept around for law enforcement reasons, but Apple needs to be clearer about what data they have and what data they maintain even if you delete it.

That's the general problem with the cloud - anything you put there is likely going to remain available forever.

 

[Black Stabbath]

I like to imagine that online banking is a bit more secure than icloud


If there was some badly protected online banking service out there people would scold others for using it.

man made man broken

 

[James93]

In the cyber age privacy doesn't exist. It doesn't matter if your information is sitting on the cloud or on your hard drive, if someone wants it they can get it. There's a entire war that companies and government aren't willing to admit going on. JP Morgan spent 250 million last year, trying to stop from being breached.

 

[mrkgoo]

Apple ID Disabled:

Your Apple ID has been disabled for security reasons. To enable your account reset  your password at iforgot.apple.com

Yup. Last half-hour or so, I kept getting login issues. Now this is on my iPad.

Is no one else having issues?

This could be bad password attempts, etc. Related to current situation? maybe, maybe not.

But just to chime in (because I know how frustrating it can be to be shouting on rooftops in a forum and no-one answering), no I haven't seen any issues of my part...yet.

I have two-factor authentication on.

 

[Officerrob]

She was asking for it, right?

Poor Justin Verlander...

 

[hodayathink]

I feel like part of the reason she took it so nonchalantly is because her leak specifically wasn't anything that she hadn't already willingly put out there. Basically, it was just her topless in a relatively tame manner, and she's done a couple topless scenes already, so there was nothing to be "extra embarrassed" about. I bet you Jessica Brown Findlay is nowhere near as nonchalant about this, to take this example to its extreme. So I don't really agree with the idea that everyone should be as nonchalant as she has been.

 

[mackaveli]

I read on a Mac website that the original 4chan poster said the images came from other places as well as iCloud? Any truth to this? Couldn't find any sources anywhere else.

 

[Lime]

"JFK should've known better than driving in a convertible"

 

[brianmcdoogle]

This could be bad password attempts, etc. Related to current situation? maybe, maybe not.

But just to chime in (because I know how frustrating it can be to be shouting on rooftops in a forum and no-one answering), no I haven't seen any issues of my part...yet.

I have two-factor authentication on.

Could be, I guess. Just seemed odd that today of all days I get booted from iCloud on my devices and Mac. Maybe it is also related to me being a beta user/developer?

Either way, time to change my password and enable two-factor authentication.

Edit: Just logged into my Mini server to shut it down before I change passwords, but it was still signed in just fine. So now some stuff has been booted and others not. I dunno. Strange day.

 

[Volimar]

Could be, I guess. Just seemed odd that today of all days I get booted from iCloud on my devices and Mac. Maybe it is also related to me being a beta user/developer?

Either way, time to change my password and enable two-factor authentication.

incoming brianmcdoogle nudes.

 

[mrkgoo]

Could be, I guess. Just seemed odd that today of all days I get booted from iCloud on my devices and Mac. Maybe it is also related to me being a beta user/developer?

Either way, time to change my password and enable two-factor authentication.

No idea.

I usually don't consider something that could just be a mere coincidence as odd. If there were more people, maybe.

Could be the start of something, I guess we'll have to wait and see how all this pans out.

 

[Terrell]

Oh please.

There's this thing called common sense and taking responsibility.

Lock your house. Lock your car. Don't post upload pictures you want to stay private to the net. Don't walk around a dodgy neighbourhood with your iphone out at night.

It's not called victim blaming. It's called being a responsible adult.

Door locks are hardly a deterrent, they should have been using magnetic steel airlocks.

Windows are so fragile and can't protect you from a car theft, should have paid for the fracture-proof option.

If you don't want people to stalk you for private information, you should stop using the internet altogether, it's the only 100% safe option.

Where does personal responsibility begin and end, exactly, because aren't those scenarios within someone's personal liability, as well? Please define when being a "responsible adult" is well and truly over and someone can be truly defined as a victim?

 

[Winterfang]

I feel like part of the reason she took it so nonchalantly is because her leak specifically wasn't anything that she hadn't already willingly put out there. Basically, it was just her topless in a relatively tame manner, and she's done a couple topless scenes already, so there was nothing to be "extra embarrassed" about. I bet you Jessica Brown Findlay is nowhere near as nonchalant about this, to take this example to its extreme. So I don't really agree with the idea that everyone should be as nonchalant as she has been.

Different strokes for different folks. I love Paris Hilton, one of my favorite celebrities, she is gorgeous and fun. I was debating with a Jennifer Lawrence fan comparing both blond beauties. I say I didn't like Jennifer because she had a dumb chubby fast as katniss and I liked more refined faces like Paris (it's a Facebook argument bear with it), she of course said there's nothing refined and that Paris Hilton is a whore that has her tits out online, now that the leak happens, she still thinks no less from Jlaw and no more from Paris.

I think the way you present yourself helps a lot. People love drama and want to see a good breakdown, if you give it, it will only give more attention. The best course is to keep low and let the whole thing blow over. The internet never forgets but it has a short attention span.

 

[Lothar]

I feel like part of the reason she took it so nonchalantly is because her leak specifically wasn't anything that she hadn't already willingly put out there. Basically, it was just her topless in a relatively tame manner, and she's done a couple topless scenes already, so there was nothing to be "extra embarrassed" about. I bet you Jessica Brown Findlay is nowhere near as nonchalant about this, to take this example to its extreme. So I don't really agree with the idea that everyone should be as nonchalant as she has been.

What about Becca Tobin? She's handling it well.

 

[Caja 117]

No one is gonna feel bad about victims saving sex tapes or nude photos. While it's true that some focus should be put on the hackers, most people will victim blame in this scenario.

Would people still victim blame if it wasn't a sex scandal. If I put important work docs on a google drive and it got hacked, would I still be blamed? What if I had them on my own hardrive and someone hacked into it and retrieved them. There would be less victim blaming in both scenarios.

When it comes to sex though... No fun allowed! Take a pic of yourself and then your account is a treasure trove ready for hacking unfortunately.

Ermmm actually some corporartions prohibit using such media to store/sent importanr docs.

In the bank i used to work flash drives were prohibited, and people get fire for sending confidential docs trouhg email.

 

[ironmang]

Oh please.

There's this thing called common sense and taking responsibility.

Lock your house. Lock your car. Don't post upload pictures you want to stay private to the net. Don't walk around a dodgy neighbourhood with your iphone out at night.

It's not called victim blaming. It's called being a responsible adult.

I don't get what people who copypasta "victim blaming" are trying to accomplish.