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marrec said:
Off-topic GAF recognizes that the patriarchy is the number one reason why male rape is less reported but just as if not more so prevalent.

Among other reasons of course.
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protip, if you have a message that has a smiley posted after it, it's either

A) flirtatious
B) Said in a joking manner

i'll let you decide which one he was going for
 
Jarate said:
your first problem is looking to twitter to find any type of good social commentary. That's like saying "yeah, there were these youtube comments that I saw that were really stupid"

and while review scores are an issue to some, especially with the history of Gerstamn and such, it's not the only thing gamergate is about.
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Twitter is actually a great place to find nuanced political and social commentary. That's mainly what I use it for. Sadly most of the people criticising journalists via #GamerGate aren't very good at critical thinking and are just defensive because they feel under attack. I don't know if most of them are children but that's what it reads like. And the same is true of the YouTube videos I've seen.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
I have literally never heard "rape culture" used to say that only men are capable of being rapists.
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RockTurtle said:
really? you should stop by off-topic gaf more often :D
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marrec said:
Off-topic GAF recognizes that the patriarchy is the number one reason why male rape is less reported but just as if not more so prevalent.

Among other reasons of course.
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Jarate said:
protip, if you have a message that has a smiley posted after it, it's either

A) flirtatious
B) Said in a joking manner

i'll let you decide which one he was going for
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Okay then what's the joke? Because I keep rereading this sequence of posts and I don't see how this is not a "Ha ha, off-topic is so crazy" joke and actually a "Off-Topic cares more about male rape issues than so called MRAs, how ironic" joke. The former makes sense as a joke and response in context, the latter does not.

RockTurtle said:
Anyways when I think of an sjw I don't think of someone asking for equality. I think of someone who uses the word Cis scum on the daily cries patriarchy at everything and will turn any discussion into some sort of debate involving social or racial issues. Someone who will cry racism at any depicition of nonwhite males that's not in a positive light. Someone who will decry a videeogame as sexist if the females show cleavage or have breast size past a determined cup size. Basically an extreme far left individual.

And when you call them out on it they respond by insulting you, calling you an mra, saying you hate progress, are against women or gays etc. And say that you can't call them out because since they are for social justice they.are automatically right
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RockTurtle said:
so how do we identify this vocal minority of game journalism who are making swathe generalizations under the guise of "feminism"?

is there a word or identifiable category we can point out without being accused of being misogynist or racist or sexist?
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This does not strike me as a poster who knows what Marrec mentioned.
 
Sneds said:
Twitter is actually a great place to find nuanced political and social commentary. That's mainly what I use it for. Sadly most of the people criticising journalists via #GamerGate aren't very good at critical thinking and are just defensive because they feel under attack. I don't know if most of them are children but that's what it reads like. And the same is true of the YouTube videos I've seen.
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Maybe through links, not through comments. Only thing twitter is good for is confirmation bias on whatever you want, imo.
 
I'm simply curious here when I say this, but ethics and COI issues aside, what should games journalism be?

I think if both reporters and readers can understand what the other wants, there'd be less vitriol from the other. Simply accusing the other side hasn't gotten us very far the last couple of weeks.
 
Sneds said:
Twitter is actually a great place to find nuanced political and social commentary. That's mainly what I use it for. Sadly most of the people criticising journalists via #GamerGate aren't very good at critical thinking and are just defensive because they feel under attack. I don't know if most of them are children but that's what it reads like. And the same is true of the YouTube videos I've seen.
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I will disagree whole heartedly, but if you find that to be true, then I wont stop you.

Social media in general is not a good barometer of a groups argument, and it's also hard to explain things in 140 characters that needs some nuance to achieve.
 
Jarate said:
I will disagree whole heartedly, but if you find that to be true, then I wont stop you.

Social media in general is not a good barometer of a groups argument, and it's also hard to explain things in 140 characters that needs some nuance to achieve.
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All I can say is that you're following the wrong people. Some of the most nuanced things I've read about race and lgtb rights have been on Twitter.
 
Just so y'all know, this entire most recent page of the thread comes across pretty much exactly like all the idiots screeching at each other on twitter that some of you are trying so hard to distance yourselves from.

It also mostly has nothing to do with corruption in games journalism, but seems rather political posturing and lining up on sides of a fence.

Just an observation.
 
Brashnir said:
Just so y'all know, this entire most recent page of the thread comes across pretty much exactly like all the idiots screeching at each other on twitter that some of you are trying so hard to distance yourselves from.

It also mostly has nothing to do with corruption in games journalism, but seems rather political posturing and lining up on sides of a fence.

Just an observation.
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marrec said:
I wasn't had! Dude legitimately lumped all of off-topic gaf into one group of male rape denying posters.
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not at all. i don't see anywhere i posted where all of off-topic shared that sentiment. gaf's a big place. the fact that i have seen that sentiment posted? sure as hell i have seen it.

people posting crazy things on gaf? that's a given.

aeolist said:
that's a thread about a man raping a woman

i think the prevalence of male on female rape is on topic there, just my opinion tho
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my bad, but a saying that "we should teach boys not to rape" as an absolute strikes me as a definitive. but tomato tomahto depending on your views i guess.
 
Brawndo Addict said:
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Thank you. I'm not sure if it was deliberate or not, but you responding to me by insinuating (in meme form no less) that I'm trying to act superior to you beautifully encapsulates the level of defensiveness going on in here right now.

I don't think it would be possible for a response to more perfectly illustrate my feelings.
 
FoneBone said:
That is not an explanation.
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- a reason or justification given for an action or belief.

My justification for why I think the term rape-culture is horrific (belief) is that it links innocent, good people to an absolutely awful crime they're not a part of. (reason for belief)
 
CoolioThane said:
- a reason or justification given for an action or belief.

My justification for why I think the term rape-culture is horrific (belief) is that it links innocent, good people to an absolutely awful crime they're not a part of. (reason for belief)
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Are you being deliberately obtuse?

You are not explaining how rape culture does that.
 
CoolioThane said:
- a reason or justification given for an action or belief.

My justification for why I think the term rape-culture is horrific (belief) is that it links innocent, good people to an absolutely awful crime they're not a part of. (reason for belief)
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Perhaps some examples are in order. Can you give us a situation in which this link to rape culture has harmed, or hypothetically could harm someone?
 
Fantastapotamus said:
Okay, let me rephrase that: Is it worth watching? Cause I kinda want to stop watching it after that stupid intro.
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It's got some good ideas, but there's a lot of bias and a lot of "this is evidence" even though they are just making links to silly "people on twitter talked to eachother in a flirty way!"

I do think that people should look more into the IGF, especially the part where the one dev claimed that the judges barely played the game.
 
Fantastapotamus said:
Okay, let me rephrase that: Is it worth watching? Cause I kinda want to stop watching it after that stupid intro.
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Again, case in point.

Idiots need to learn how to make a point without giving their opposition ammo to use in order to discard out of hand whatever they said without addressing any relevant facts contained within. That opening alone, were I inclined to, I could easily use to turn anyone against them, and I'm not even a professional.
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What is Zoe Quinn supposed to have done wrong anyway? Her allegedly cheating on her boyfriend is none of my business. If the issue is that people who were sleeping with her wrote about her game without disclosing their relationship then shouldn't the blame be on the journalists?
 
Moral Panic said:
What is Zoe Quinn supposed to have done wrong anyway? Her allegedly cheating on her boyfriend is none of my business. If the issue is that people who were sleeping with her wrote about her game without disclosing their relationship then shouldn't the blame be on the journalists?
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although the catalyst, the issue being that journalists were writing about games from developers they knew either intimately, were within their close knit friends group, or had personally supported through patron sites.

i guess the issue being that while some journalists knew that gamers were keen on them being upfront about kickbacks from big companies, some probably saw no need to maintain the same scrutiny with "small indie developers" since they weren't big time publishers who manipulate using ad dollars.
 
Shinta said:
You literally laid bait for him to take until he got a ban, smiling while you did it. And he was a junior. I'll leave the thread now, but that was really a sad thing to watch you do. Then you gloat about it.
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Asking someone to provide justification or reasoning for a statement/belief beyond circular logic is not baiting a ban.
 
Shinta said:
You literally laid bait for him to take until he got a ban, smiling while you did it. And he was a junior. I'll leave the thread now, but that was really a sad thing to watch you do. Then you gloat about it.
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I asked him to explain. I did nothing to bait him.
 
Moral Panic said:
"Created by Zoe's Vagina"

Amazing how people can claim the gaming community is not full of misogyny when I am recommended to watch a video that doesn't take 15 seconds before it devolves into it.
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We're supposed to ignore the obvious sexist undertones to wait for whatever point it's trying to make.

Which turns out to be a point that's been being discussed already. Nothing that's being covered up by some black hooded video gaming sabbath.
 
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