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bishopcruz said:
First, Baldwin hasn't been "my boy" for years, went fairly insane from, relatively normal conservative leaning libertarian to hard core conservative or at least made it ovious, at least in his tweets a long time back, hell, I've mentioned this to you personally.
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apologies then; i don't recall this, and you still follow dude's twitter so i felt it a safe assumption.

Or speaking of 4chan as a hivemind much like we swear GAF isn't. Place is the friggen wild west, and supposedly has a fairly large lgbt population as well. I don't know much about 4chan as a board, I don't hang there, and neither do you, so all I generally see are the headlines, and I honestly don't see the demonization you are talking about.
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you've missed the parts linking /v/ to elements of the attacks/harassment, then? no, it's not my homepage, but i thought this was kinda known.

fun ones like these:

On the bright side, haven't noticed any journos or devs coming on to shit on the party. And even those above tweets don't touch the level of vitriol in #gamergate proper, which is refreshing at the very least.
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this is what happens when an issue balloons and marginalized communities with larger social issues/agendas are conflated with smaller issues on the longstanding problems of game journalism and now apparently the additional vilification/championing of the word gamer, much less the odd follow-up of people debating total strangers on what extent they identify themselves with their hobbies.

those "fun ones" in the context you've presented them are, again, likely coming from said marginalized communities who - per my earlier post - have seen larger parts of their identity (not hobbies) used as ammo in the demonizing of SJW's/any call for progression/etc. i understand your affinity for polite tones & arguments to moderation, but why you seek that from people facing oppression i'll never know.
 
Mumei said:
What Arana is describing in that excerpt are processes that can be taken to open up hiring to minorities, by ameliorating some of the barriers to entry that particularly affect potential minority candidates, which is essentially a lighter form of affirmative action. I'm hardly an expert in the workings of gaming media, but I don't suppose I'd be going too far out on a limb to say that this would also be good advice for them.
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It's amazing advice for the gaming press as well. Oddly enough, the place that's closest to the hiring pattern mentioned here:

When the pool of applicants for the Prospect's writing fellowship was male and nearly entirely white, Friedman says she turned to the blogosphere, which is where the magazine found talented writers like Adam Serwer and Jamelle Bouie. "There are all sorts of nonwhite, nonmale writers all over the Internet," Friedman says.
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is also one of the more controversial for some readers: Kotaku.

EDIT: Relevant recent news for diversity in journalism.
 
Nanashrew said:
And I completely respect that. You're one of the few active ones willing to fight for inclusiveness with everything you've got. My post never meant to knock down the good people like yourself. I've spent a good majority fighting against racists, misogynists, homophobic people myself and I'll continue to do so.

I also understand not wanting something muddied. I've just come to different terms that I'm not defined or ruled by any one specific label. That doesn't stop me from enjoying games or engaging in discussion like I am now. I have plenty to discuss and I still make plenty of rants on my twitter feed on the industry fairly frequently. I probably rant too much because now people are wanting me to start a blog or a tumblr.
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And that is great, I dont get hurt either when people denigrate a definition of a subgroup. However, there clearly are people who do, and if the supposed goal is to call out bigotry in general, then insulting people, in general, makes you(not literally you, I mean you as in everyone) look like someone who doesn't actually give a crap about diversity or inclusiveness, it just makes it look like you want to be as mean spirited as possible to anyone who doesn't think exactly like you. Everyone trips, everyone slips up and gets insulting... That doesn't make it right, and it should never be defended, no matter who it is against. Being insulting only temporarily helps the person being teh bully, it does not help any group or cause and just creates enemies from possible allies.

Telling people how to feel, while someone felt insulted and because they consider themselves part of that sub-culture, because another group wants to feel good about themselves is so toxic that it really is hard for me to believe people don't know what they are doing, when they do it. Saying how you feel is one thing, telling people how you feel and then assuming you are doing it the right way, and telling other people to stop feeling what they are feeling is just straight up unethical, and again it is toxic.
 
unbias said:
And that is great, I dont get hurt either when people denigrate a definition of a subgroup. However, there clearly are people who do, and if the supposed goal is to call out bigotry in general, then insulting people, in general, makes you(not literally you, I mean you as in everyone) look like someone who doesn't actually give a crap about diversity or inclusiveness, it just makes it look like you want to be as mean spirited as possible to anyone who doesn't think exactly like you. Everyone trips, everyone slips up and gets insulting... That doesn't make it right, and it should never be defended, no matter who it is against. Being insulting only temporarily helps the person being teh bully, it does not help and group or cause and just creates enemies from possible allies.

Telling people how to feel, while someone felt insulted and because they consider themselves part of that sub-culture, because another group wants to feel good about themselves is so toxic that it really is hard for me to believe people don't know what they are doing, when they do it. Saying how you feel is one thing, telling people how you feel and then assuming you are doing it the right way, and telling other people to stop feeling what they are feeling is just straight up unethical, and again it is toxic.
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Oh I agree. I just mentioned in my previous post that that is usually how people go on about any group even within their own communities, they'll use a term everybody understands which is usually the generalized term.

We'll have to work towards refocusing the target on the terrible people.
 
People who are embarrassed to be called gamers really need to reassess their own values.

Ive talked to people about how much I love video games, and wanna know how they respond, they either dont care enough about the hobby, or they ask me questions about it. If you are passionate about your hobby and coming from a place where it's about a love of something, then people understand. Sure you might be more likely to be labeled as a nerd, but if you're a sports enthusiast, there's negative connotations involved, if you are a bookworm, then you a "nerd and not fun", if you're a movie buff, then you only like it to appear artsy, but nobody is afraid to say that they are these things.

Wanna know why, it's because people generally stereotype about things they don't know. it's how our brain processes people, and at many times, we labe;l the extreme version of said stereotype to said group because those are generally the ones that gave us a bad experience. Bronies are all fat nerds, tumblr is all fat butch women who can't get men etc... etc...

But if you come at people and show that you have a passion in something then that's really where it ends. People dont give a shit that you're a gamer, unless it's pertinent to them. People do not care if you aren't a gamer unless it's pertinent to them.

And really, no one views gamers as "misogynistic man children that hate women and POC and gays" other then the people in the industry. If you asked any average person what a gamer is, you'll get the description of a The Big Bang Theory character.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of playing games, remember, people find pride in their hobbies and subcultures all the time. The gamer was able to enjoy himself and play video games. That's something to be proud of, you're having fun in life.

This is why this shit is infuriating, there are a lot of people in the gaming community that'll have things like depression, or bipolar disorder, or social anxiety, and will take pride in gaming, because it's one of the few things in life that they enjoy. It also gives them an avenue to talk to others who have a similar interest, something they might not have been able to do. But no, people like Leigh Alexander think that gamers are bad, and we shouldnt identify ourselves as gamers anymore, and calling the people horrible nerds and terrible people. It's no longer ok to be proud to be a gamer because asinine people are afraid of being called nerds. This is why this shit hits home to a lot of people, especially people who have gone through a lot of shit in life and see an attack from people who hate them.

If you want to call out specific gamers, or specific games, then that's completely fine, but it's absolutely awful to do this shit, because so many people find strength in their hobby.
 
Nanashrew said:
And I completely respect that. You're one of the few active ones willing to fight for inclusiveness with everything you've got. My post never meant to knock down the good people like yourself. I've spent a good majority fighting against racists, misogynists, homophobic people myself and I'll continue to do so.

I also understand not wanting something muddied. I've just come to different terms that I'm not defined or ruled by any one specific label. That doesn't stop me from enjoying games or engaging in discussion like I am now. I have plenty to discuss and I still make plenty of rants on my twitter feed on the industry fairly frequently. I probably rant too much because now people are wanting me to start a blog or a tumblr.
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My point is that I have no desire, and should not required, to surrender a lable I have willingly applied to myself for 2/5ths of my life because someone has recently decided that everyone who chooses to apply such a lable to themselves is a terrible person. Or we should at least choose to believe they are until they prove themselves otherwise. Just to have another one foisted upon me because that old one is all tattered and gross.

I refuse. I fucking refuse.

Maybe I'll have tume after work to explain why this runs so deep for me. But until then I'll say that it's bone deep. And it has nothing to do with bullying or anything like that.
 
joshrholloway said:
Is it, though? I mean, I thought this way not too long ago myself. But now I'm starting to think that the press, particularly those vocal about equality and inclusiveness, are too close to all the abuse to realize that most of us who enjoy video games are normal guys and gals. Ask your average person on the street what a gamer is. They might not have glowing things to say, they might bring up Cheetos or Mountain Dew or Call of Duty, but I don't think they're going to rant about abusive misogynistic white males. The hyper-enthusiast part of this culture, both writers and players, are perpetuating the idea of a stereotype that I don't think actually exists outside of our own heads.
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This is a good point, and another reaction I've had to this whole thing is to think maybe it's just time to tune out. I mean like you said the vast majority of the world doesn't care about any of this stuff either way. Maybe it's better to cede these discussions to the 4chans and stuff, because in the long run none of it is real. For every minute this whole "controversy " feels like a culture war there are like 59 minutes where it just feels like petty internet drama.

At the same time, though, when peoples lives are actually being affected (Quinn, Sarkeesian, even Fish), this feels like something worth fighting, as tedious as it is. And I agree with another poster (can't remember who, sorry) who said he(?) wants the "five guys" people to feel marginalized. If you have those attitudes then I don't care if we have interests in common, you're a shithead and it's not ok. So I think rejecting "gamer" as an identity is valid because it's not even a real identity; it's basically a marketing term.
 
I just watched two InternetAristocrat videos on this topic. I'm just speechless. I'll be ignoring just about every videogame journalist and website out there. The outright contempt and vitriol from the games media industry towards gamers is asinine beyond words. Any and all respect I had for Anita also just went out the door.
 
Jarate said:
People who are embarrassed to be called gamers really need to reassess their own values.

Ive talked to people about how much I love video games, and wanna know how they respond, they either dont care enough about the hobby, or they ask me questions about it. If you are passionate about your hobby and coming from a place where it's about a love of something, then people understand. Sure you might be more likely to be labeled as a nerd, but if you're a sports enthusiast, there's negative connotations involved, if you are a bookworm, then you a "nerd and not fun", if you're a movie buff, then you only like it to appear artsy, but nobody is afraid to say that they are these things.

Wanna know why, it's because people generally stereotype about things they don't know. it's how our brain processes people, and at many times, we labe;l the extreme version of said stereotype to said group because those are generally the ones that gave us a bad experience. Bronies are all fat nerds, tumblr is all fat butch women who can't get men etc... etc...

But if you come at people and show that you have a passion in something then that's really where it ends. People dont give a shit that you're a gamer, unless it's pertinent to them. People do not care if you aren't a gamer unless it's pertinent to them.

And really, no one views gamers as "misogynistic man children that hate women and POC and gays" other then the people in the industry. If you asked any average person what a gamer is, you'll get the description of a The Big Bang Theory character.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of playing games, remember, people find pride in their hobbies and subcultures all the time. The gamer was able to enjoy himself and play video games. That's something to be proud of, you're having fun in life.

This is why this shit is infuriating, there are a lot of people in the gaming community that'll have things like depression, or bipolar disorder, or social anxiety, and will take pride in gaming, because it's one of the few things in life that they enjoy. It also gives them an avenue to talk to others who have a similar interest, something they might not have been able to do. But no, people like Leigh Alexander think that gamers are bad, and we shouldnt identify ourselves as gamers anymore, and calling the people horrible nerds and terrible people. It's no longer ok to be proud to be a gamer because asinine people are afraid of being called nerds. This is why this shit hits home to a lot of people, especially people who have gone through a lot of shit in life and see an attack from people who hate them.

If you want to call out specific gamers, or specific games, then that's completely fine, but it's absolutely awful to do this shit, because so many people find strength in their hobby.
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I dont think it is about values. Without them even saying it, they are saying they dont want to be insulted for being part of a group, so they distance themselves from that group. I, personally, would either speak out to those people or stop hanging around them. However, that is hard for some people, so they choose to not associate with something that can have a stigma on them, that allows them to be viewed as "weird" or an outcast, because normal(will mean different things to different social circles) in your social circle is normally what people want you to be. It's unfortunate, but it is hard to tell people how to act in those situations.

However, using a pedestal to enforce those insults or highlighting that falling out of "normal" is a pejorative is, well, bad. It empowers everyone who they think uses the term to be insulting, and by extension empowering the bullies. It is a means to make you conform. And I think this is the dangers of echo chambers, you start believing conformity is needed, around one social groups personal standards or preferences to be able to achieve the sociably acceptable label that their group wants. Essentially, turning everything into one monolithic pop culture(effectively stripping culture that varies from the preferred "norm").
 
Jarate said:
People who are embarrassed to be called gamers really need to reassess their own values.

Ive talked to people about how much I love video games, and wanna know how they respond, they either dont care enough about the hobby, or they ask me questions about it. If you are passionate about your hobby and coming from a place where it's about a love of something, then people understand. Sure you might be more likely to be labeled as a nerd, but if you're a sports enthusiast, there's negative connotations involved, if you are a bookworm, then you a "nerd and not fun", if you're a movie buff, then you only like it to appear artsy, but nobody is afraid to say that they are these things.

Wanna know why, it's because people generally stereotype about things they don't know. it's how our brain processes people, and at many times, we labe;l the extreme version of said stereotype to said group because those are generally the ones that gave us a bad experience. Bronies are all fat nerds, tumblr is all fat butch women who can't get men etc... etc...

But if you come at people and show that you have a passion in something then that's really where it ends. People dont give a shit that you're a gamer, unless it's pertinent to them. People do not care if you aren't a gamer unless it's pertinent to them.

And really, no one views gamers as "misogynistic man children that hate women and POC and gays" other then the people in the industry. If you asked any average person what a gamer is, you'll either get the description of a The Big Bang Theory character.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of playing games, remember, people find pride in their hobbies and subcultures all the time. The gamer was able to enjoy himself and play video games. That's something to be proud of, you're having fun in life.

This is why this shit is infuriating, there are a lot of people in the gaming community that'll have things like depression, or bipolar disorder, or social anxiety, and will take pride in gaming, because it's one of the few things in life that they enjoy. It also gives them an avenue to talk to others who have a similar interest, something they might not have been able to do. But no, people like Leigh Alexander think that gamers are bad, and we shouldnt identify ourselves as gamers anymore, and calling the people horrible nerds and terrible people. It's no longer ok to be proud to be a gamer because asinine people are afraid of being called nerds. This is why this shit hits home to a lot of people, especially people who have gone through a lot of shit in life and see an attack from people who hate them.

If you want to call out specific gamers, or specific games, then that's completely fine, but it's absolutely awful to do this shit, because so many people find strength in their hobby.
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I'm just a simple enthusiast nothing more, nothing less. My values are assessed and I can go as deep as I want without fear of ever coming back from the brink. I love talking about lore in games, even the absurdity of some like Mario, Zelda, Mega Man, but they're still very fun to talk about. Theories are also fun, like Dr. Light being the reason for man's near extinction for inventing robots to help people.

I'd be considered a nerd, a geek, a gamer or whatever even though I don't ascribe to them. I love these tiny or unseen details in video games and love talking about them. I'm really no different than anyone else here and I do criticize the industry often because I care about the industry. Sure, it's made me cynical over the years because it feels like nothing is ever changing but I do still care.

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My point is that I have no desire, and should not required, to surrender a lable I have willingly applied to myself for 2/5ths of my life because someone has recently decided that everyone who chooses to apply such a lable to themselves is a terrible person. Or we should at least choose to believe they are until they prove themselves otherwise. Just to have another one foisted upon me because that old one is all tattered and gross.

I refuse. I fucking refuse.

Maybe I'll have tume after work to explain why this runs so deep for me. But until then I'll say that it's bone deep. And it has nothing to do with bullying or anything like that.
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Cool. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

My path does indeed sound different to others but it's not the only way. Just want to get that point across. You can still be a gamer and ascribe to different ideals and take different paths.
 
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Gsak said:
I wonder. Since the last few days we've been examining what exactly is the meaning and the use of the word "Gamer", should we do the same about "misogyny"?
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you should do this about all terms before debating them, to be fair
 
AstroNut325 said:
I just watched two InternetAristocrat videos on this topic. I'm just speechless. I'll be ignoring just about every videogame journalist and website out there. The outright contempt and vitriol from the games media industry towards gamers is asinine beyond words. Any and all respect I had for Anita also just went out the door.
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Your main problem is watching InternetAristocrat.
 
Twitter posts often times have the same thing in common with YouTube comments. There is no filter. Even after people's real names were attached to YouTube comments, there was no shortage of posts like the ones you see above.
 
Gsak said:
Bet I can one-up you?

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I'm not going to believe that this not a joke tweet, because I don't need the kind of stress that getting angry about it would bring me.
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Heavy's Sandvich said:
Seems like there are definite agent provocateurs out there.
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I honestly think this is the case more then not.

We have to understand that these trolls aren't necessarily gamers or even play video games. They could just be a sadist who enjoys watching people suffer. This is also another reason why calling people out is silly, considering the identity of these sadists are in fact not well known, and unless explicitly stated, we have no clue whether or not thye actually play games, or actually are just there to fan flames.
 
What those 2 images prove is, you can use twitter to demonize any side you want, and then either side can claim "false flag". This is why twitter, to me, is nothing more then echo chambers for confirmation bias, it's like facebook meets 4chan with 140 characters.
 
Amazing how vile nerds have gotten since I was in highshool.....

shit we just used to talk about videogames and the internet....now its this weird red pill shit going on, mixed with people fighting tumblr feminists.... fucking ridiculous
 
What those images really show, to me, is that twitter can not be used as a forum for debate. Full stop.

If you give those people any kind of validation and if you use them as examples as either "side". Well, I have nothing further to say to you.
 
APF said:
Aah, you just fell for what is called "trolling" by someone who probably is on your side.
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If you take that line of thinking, and apply it to all of twitter, the conclusions you allow yourself to make about troll accounts... Well if this line of thinking is ok, then this line of thinking should be allowed for all troll accounts, which only feeds the fire, if you get my meaning(in other words claiming who's side the person is on is a bad idea).
 
Sylas said:
It's incredibly easy to say awful, horrible things when there are no consequences.
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This

we need to push for police and law enforcement to take harassment and death threats on the internet seriously, figure out ways to make it easy for police to investigate these things. There are way to many people on both sides who are just here to do this shit, and there's no consequences at all. Maybe someone more important then me should start a petition to get sent to the government.
 
sn00zer said:
Amazing how vile nerds have gotten since I was in highshool.....

shit we just used to talk about videogames and the internet....now its this weird red pill shit going on, mixed with people fighting tumblr feminists.... fucking ridiculous
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that's a small part of a massive group of people. There are bad apples in every group, and labeling a group like that servers no purpose beyond bullying.
 
sn00zer said:
Amazing how vile nerds have gotten since I was in highshool.....
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i don't know if the people have changed, so much as the platform

Cyan said:
If I wanted to see awful things people were saying on Twitter, I'd go on Twitter and look up all these shitty hashtags. Please stop reposting this garbage and giving assholes more of a platform.
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fair enough, and apologies for initiating this; my intent was only a little fun with reductio ad absurdum
 
I think the main problem comes down to the inability of some to separate the word gamer in it's two obvious contexts.

One is a simple adjective of describing people who play video games. The other is those who are obsessed, cloak themselves and define their identity by these games. If someone says that iPhone game players "well they're not real gamers" are they implying that they do not play videogames? Of course not.

I think this is easier in other nerd cultures such as anime watcher, where the word Otaku has (well in my opinion certainly) regained it's negative connotation whereas previously it was somewhat acceptable in the community to refer to oneself in that way. Perhaps Leigh Alexander should've talked about "Real Gamers" instead of "gamers" but in English it certainly doesn't quite feel right, since "real" is an adjective in it's own right with several different contextual interpretations (the very same problem we are trying to tackle).

I do think that "real gamers"/"gamers" have a major problem with misogyny and childishness to a point where the culture can be criticised for it. I think the japanese animation industry has a problem of catering to the super obsessed Otaku and I see an equivalent thing - high amounts of sexism and juvenility. I think Leigh Alexander was trying to express that, unlike the japanime industry which has no other viable way to fund their products, the videogame industry can easily ignore the super obsessed with their cries to be pandered to and turn your attention towards the normal, well functioning people who just play videogames. 'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over.
 
Gsak said:
I used to hope that all us, in unity will beat such hatred down to the fucking ground. After the last few days, I'm losing that hope by the minute.
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Actually, I'm just counting down the time at this point until someone comes along and states something to the effect of that we call all just die in a fire/will set fire to us or some such to make it full circle.

I'm betting that will coincide with some action/effect from that breitbart article calling for action causing shots to be fired back and forth between even larger groups of irrational people.
 
unbias said:
If you take that line of thinking, and apply it to all of twitter, the conclusions you allow yourself to make about troll accounts... Well if this line of thinking is ok, then this line of thinking should be allowed for all troll accounts, which only feeds the fire, if you get my meaning(in other words claiming who's side the person is on is a bad idea).
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Gsak said:
Sorry but such statements are fucking horrid and incredibly offensive. I don't give a fuck if they are "trolling" or not.
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Uh, I don't think you understand. Look at that person's actual account.
 
Moral Panic said:
I think the main problem comes down to the inability of some to separate the word gamer in it's two obvious contexts.

One is a simple adjective of describing people who play video games. The other is those who are obsessed, cloak themselves and define their identity by these games. If someone says that iPhone game players "well they're not real gamers" are they implying that they do not play videogames? Of course not.

I think this is easier in other nerd cultures such as anime watcher, where the word Otaku has (well in my opinion certainly) regained it's negative connotation whereas previously it was somewhat acceptable in the community to refer to oneself in that way. Perhaps Leigh Alexander should've talked about "Real Gamers" instead of "gamers" but in English it certainly doesn't quite feel right, since "real" is an adjective in it's own right with several different contextual interpretations (the very same problem we are trying to tackle).

I do think that "real gamers"/"gamers" have a major problem with misogyny and childishness to a point where the culture can be criticised for it. I think the japanese animation industry has a problem of catering to the super obsessed Otaku and I see an equivalent thing - high amounts of sexism and juvenility. I think Leigh Alexander was trying to express that, unlike the japanime industry which has no other viable way to fund their products, the videogame industry can easily ignore the super obsessed with their cries to be pandered to and turn your attention towards the normal, well functioning people who just play videogames. 'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over.
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"oh I don't hate Muslims, only the terrorists, so that's what I mean when I say Muslim"

Gamer is a term meant for people who play video games. Using it as a blanket statement is hurtful and mean to the many people who use the term gamer in a very positive way. If you want to point out misogynistic gamers, call them misogynistic gamers, or call the misogynists. Being a gamer does not imply anything other then the fact that you are a gamer.
 
Can I offer a counter opinion to the whole sexism and misogyny in video games debate?
I could be completely off here but am just stating what comes to my mind.

Isn't the problem less about sexism and more about exclusivity?
Gaming has for the longest time been a pretty exclusive "club" for lack of a better word. The people who pursued it were quite often seen as unsavoury simply because it was a hobby not many understood, going so far as bullying and harassment.

So in my mind, now that gaming has become a much bigger market, maybe a lot of us have problems with including people in the "club" and are overly defensive about it.
The sexism to me seems to be a bit of a misplacement of the issue here, because this could just as easily include (and has done before) older gamers or "casuals".

So you can basically ascribe any moniker to it you want: Sexism, Ageism, Elitism. Etc
But none of that really gets to the heart of the matter.

Most of my real life friends who game (some of whom consider themselves "hardcore") have long time partners and kids, and in a very (from my perspective) healthy life in all those regards. If I talked to my best friends wife for example, and asked her if he was sexist, she'd probably look at me confused and not know what the hell i'm talking about.

The point is, most gamers who are overly defensive of gaming and the culture are probably only that WITHIN that culture. They still have normal healthy lives, so I have a problem with this whole "sexism in video games" thing.
I'm not saying it's not out there, but personally I don't see it elevated beyond any other area in life. There are always assholes wherever you go.

Yeah I dunno. Not sure if that says anything about me, just thought i'd put that out there.
 
Moral Panic said:
I do think that "real gamers"/"gamers" have a major problem with misogyny and childishness to a point where the culture can be criticised for it. I think the japanese animation industry has a problem of catering to the super obsessed Otaku and I see an equivalent thing - high amounts of sexism and juvenility. I think Leigh Alexander was trying to express that, unlike the japanime industry which has no other viable way to fund their products, the videogame industry can easily ignore the super obsessed with their cries to be pandered to and turn your attention towards the normal, well functioning people who just play videogames. 'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over.
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I dont know. What all this showed me is, that if you dont fit into teh social circle of a group(any group), you will get hate sent at you for not thinking like the other group(be it sexist, misogyny, bullying, racism, political, beliefs, and ect). I see plenty of people being as insulting as humanly possible, without overtly saying something like "I hate you and your stances" or "you are a mental patient who needs help", and I'm not seeing any correlation to it being about a specific subject more then it is people being incredibly spiteful and bitter, and lashing out.

Claiming "this subset thinks this" is a pretty terrible president, because you are saying that you or your social group gets to decide everyone in another, presumed, social group. Calling out "this group is X" serves no one, educating all consumers in this field of sexism is good, and discussing it with people is healthy, but I have no idea how you think labeling an entire subculture(presumed subculture) is healthy. I think there are people out there that so badly want to insult a specific subculture(beyond simply sexism) that it over powers their desire to do what they supposedly want to do; and that is bring diversity and inclusiveness into a culture that has a very diverse set of people in that subculture.
 
marrec said:
...the gaming demographic has emerged from it's marketing driven stereotype of socially awkward nerds into a much larger and inclusive demographic that can cater to all types of both players and marketers.

That's what the recent "death of a gamer" articles are about.
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Right, because that apparrently happened sometime in the past week? Funny for so many sites to publish similar articles about this issue at almost the exact same time. Gaming and gamers moved on from that stereotype some time ago I would argue, but not according to some industry folk.
 
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