Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XV: Kübler-Ross Edition

SuperSah said:
Guys, remember Pictochat is actually Pichocat 2, a new stage, not a returning one.

Honestly, stage selection is fine. The new stages are excellent.

Who knows? There may be one or two left.

Don't forget FD editions of all of these too. So essentially, 68 stages.
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Of all the things to make a 2, why Pictochat? I figured they move away from that due to the whole Swapnote thing.

Also while the 3DS version of will be far superior to me, no, the stage selection is not good. All the new stages are pretty great besides NSMB2, and the returning stages are all great imo but no new stages for most franchises is just not cool. And lol at counting the final destinations as seperate stages.

I really hope Smash Run is cool since first few days I'll be without internet, but it doesn't look so fun to me. Online is where its at!
 
ffdgh said:
New stage obviously being the best choice aside, Rumble falls or jungle japes as the retro stage...
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I don't know.
I'm definitely not opposed to the whole retro stage idea (MK helped a lot)
but the fact that the exact same stage is in 3 different game just screams laziness.

At least it was on 3DS and not Wii U so we dodged a bullet there lol
 
I hope the Gameboy Stage swaps between a bunch of mario games for all you people disliking mushroomy kingdom and pictochat :(

jk.

But what if it swapped between 4 different games, and there was just always Tetris music in the background?
 
Lunar15 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Smash has always struggled in the stage department. You get some winners here and there, but a lot of the time they're bland, generic, and uncreative. Then when they start getting interesting, there's usually some kind of really frustrating element, like walk-offs and stage bosses.

It's like: I really love the setting and design of the Wii U Fire Emblem Colosseum. It's a tad generic, but it looks really cool and I love the "pop up" platforms mechanic. But nope, it's a walk-off, and I hate those kinds of stages. If you want to go with the FD version with ledges, it takes away the pop-up platforms. So frustrating!

There's always a lot of missed opportunities.
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I agree with your general point kinda but I don't think Coliseum is a great example. You can't make that stage without walk offs (the default version at least) cause it wouldn't make sense for a coliseum to be like that really.

That's why the complaining about Omega stages kinda bugs me. I get it, you'd like to keep some extra platforms and less invasive stage quirks while having no walk offs but it's not always that easy to pull off (with regards to reworking a mechanic for a smaller area). I do think a "Battlefield Mode" would've been kind of easy, but for whatever reason they decided not to add that. I think the omega forms are a nice consideration.
 
Toxi said:
2. Green Greens could play on Halberd.
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That was part of the Butter Building guitar medley, and even then it's from the same series.

Not that we haven't had music from other series play in completely unrelated areas before, but I'm pretttyyyyy sure green greens wouldn't play in the middle of SR388.
 
GiantBreadbug said:
I agree with your general point kinda but I don't think Coliseum is a great example. You can't make that stage without walk offs (the default version at least) cause it wouldn't make sense for a coliseum to be like that really.
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Arena Ferox in the 3DS version is pretty much the exact same idea (a Fire Emblem coliseum) and it's not a walk-off.
 
Some real missed opportunity for stages such as SR388 or a Super Mario Land 2: Wario's Castle stage but one thing to remember is that most Smash stages are from their most recent games or in 64 and Melee's case there were some that were completely made up.
 
MrSaturn99 said:
That was part of the Butter Building guitar medley, and even then it's from the same series.

Not that we haven't had music from other series play in completely unrelated areas before, but I'm pretttyyyyy sure green greens wouldn't play in the middle of SR388.
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???

Halberd is from the Kirby series. Green Greens is Kirby Music. Ergo, it can play on Halberd with no problem.

There is nothing to indicate Green Greens has to play on the Gameboy stage.
 
MrSaturn99 said:
That was part of the Butter Building guitar medley, and even then it's from the same series.

Not that we haven't had music from other series play in completely unrelated areas before, but I'm pretttyyyyy sure green greens wouldn't play in the middle of SR388.
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I'm still leaning on the side of it being a Kirby stage, but since we haven't heard any music from it yet I think it's premature to assume that Green Greens is the theme that's playing. If it's a Kirby stage it could be a medley and if it's a Gameboy montage stage it could be some kind of original chippy theme like Flat Zone.
 
Toxi said:
I'm thinking it switches between different games. Otherwise it would have probably been revealed as a Kirby stage instead of a generic Gameboy stage in the pic of the day.
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Hopefully you're right and I'm wrong, but I'll say this again: I don't think it's a coincidence the stage was revealed with Kirby and Dedede on it.

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So Kirby's Dream Land, the game featured in the game boy stage, is really short. What if it just scrolled through the entire game? I don't think that's too ambitious, plus it sounds kinda Sakurai-like.
 
GiantBreadbug said:
I agree with your general point kinda but I don't think Coliseum is a great example. You can't make that stage without walk offs (the default version at least) cause it wouldn't make sense for a coliseum to be like that really.

That's why the complaining about Omega stages kinda bugs me. I get it, you'd like to keep some extra platforms and less invasive stage quirks while having no walk offs but it's not always that easy to pull off (with regards to reworking a mechanic for a smaller area). I do think a "Battlefield Mode" would've been kind of easy, but for whatever reason they decided not to add that. I think the omega forms are a nice consideration.
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I mean, I'll never resort to saying something is lazy or not easy. I'm not a game designer, I can't make that call. I'd like to think that having platforms and ledges wouldn't be too hard, given that there are stages that have those. Also, while having a pit in a coliseum is weird, why does the default Arena Ferox have a pit, then? There really are no rules here, so I'd rather have something that encorporates all the elements of smash (platforms, ledges, pits) than something that doesn't.

I'll also admit that I'm just really biased and I want to listen to fire emblem music on a good stage! Ha ha.

Anywho, you're right in that Coliseum isn't the best example, but there's countless other examples out there. My overall point is that the only thing that's really let me down in smash games are the stages. They're really just not tapping the potential I think they could. I get it: the focus is on the characters because that's what's going to sell the game. It's certainly not a deal breaker, but I'm pointing out that if people are disappointed with the stages in the 3DS version, it's really no worse than previous games.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
They're also the best example of how awful idol culture in Japan is. People become obsessed with them. The more popular ones are not allowed to have any social lives. One was seen with a man once in public and had to issue a crying video apology where she shaved her head as penance because so much of the audience was angry.
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Although I agree that it's awful, your wording makes it sound like all Japanese idols are not allowed to date. This is just an AKB48 (and other spinoff '48' groups) phenomenon. Also, it's not just the popular AKB48 girls, it's every member.

Also, doesn't Disney enforce a code of conduct on signed acts? I'm not saying that the problem isn't extreme in AKB's case, but we have to remember that this is not a Japan-exclusive issue. When discussing Japanese culture there is an unfortunate tendency to forget that there often are comparable issues and tendencies in the US and Europe.
 
Hatchtag said:
So Kirby's Dream Land, the game featured in the game boy stage, is really short. What if it just scrolled through the entire game? I don't think that's too ambitious, plus it sounds kinda Sakurai-like.
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I'm sure it would at least be a transforming stage that featured a battlefield for every level.
 
Hatchtag said:
So Kirby's Dream Land, the game featured in the game boy stage, is really short. What if it just scrolled through the entire game? I don't think that's too ambitious, plus it sounds kinda Sakurai-like.
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This is what I figured: a tribute to his first game.

the bias is real omg
 
Hatchtag said:
So Kirby's Dream Land, the game featured in the game boy stage, is really short. What if it just scrolled through the entire game? I don't think that's too ambitious, plus it sounds kinda Sakurai-like.
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It's not that short.
Cody_D165 said:
Hopefully you're right and I'm wrong, but I'll say this again: I don't think it's a coincidence the stage was revealed with Kirby and Dedede on it.

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Again, they're the only characters with Gameboy color schemes.
 
Puntervold said:
Although I agree that it's awful, your wording makes it sound like all Japanese idols are not allowed to date. This is just an AKB48 (and other spinoff '48' groups) phenomenon. Also, it's not just the popular AKB48 girls, it's every member.

Also, doesn't Disney enforce a code of conduct on signed acts? I'm not saying that the problem isn't extreme in AKB's case, but we have to remember that this is not a Japan-exclusive issue. When discussing Japanese culture there is an unfortunate tendency to forget that there often are comparable issues and tendencies in the US and Europe.
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A lot of the time you allegedly have contracts allowing management to pick your dates for you in the West. I'd bet money Zach Efron and Vanessa Hudgens was a contract relationship. We know Lance Bass and other gay boy band memebers have been forced into 'dating' women to keep up appearances. And then there's alleged professional beard, Taylor Swift.
 
Cody_D165 said:
Funny how even though it's never been confirmed, you're so confident the game's coming in November, Mr. NDA... ;)

Joking, it's pretty obvious by now after all the posted/removed dates and whatnot
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Yeah, it's exceedingly obvious at this point that it's not getting delayed into next year. I mean it could always still happen, but I'd bet my bottom dollar it won't. This is just based on all the obvious signs; I've not been privy to any actual release date or anything.

Richie said:
I'm still gonna play the stuffing out of this game and am hyped as can be for it (curse having to wait another month, seriously). But it's not hard to see where people's disappointment comes from; if several franchises indeed end up without a new stage, it'll be a first for the series. It's comprehensible if they had to cut corners in order to deal with the development of two whole games, but every other aspect of the 3DS version stood on its own so far; the stage selection is the one area where you actively need to remind yourself they had to split development efforts in another game.
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Oh, I see where the disappointment comes from too! Hell, I'm a little disappointed. But it's hardly "unforgivable," and that's exactly the kind of hyperbole that makes Smash fans (and gamers today in general, I guess, but that's a different discussion) look and sound so bad.

Green Mamba said:
You don't value stages as much as me, but if the character roster was this small (smaller than Brawl's here, let's remind everyone) and the stage roster was comparatively large people would absolutely be crying foul. And unless the Wii U version has a considerably larger stage roster then having two less than fully featured Smash games is worse as far as I'm concerned than having one fully featured one. These are two games that are ostensibly supposed to stand on their own. If their stage rosters can't, then the games cannot. I'm sorry.

It's hyperbolic, but so what? Spare me.
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WOW. That's an incredibly baseless, out-of-nowhere assumption if I've ever seen one. You have no idea what I value; you've never even met me, let alone talked to me much on NeoGAF. Stages are in fact very important to me (especially being someone who doesn't turn off or "ban" any), and I in fact share in your disappointment. But "unforgivable?" Hardly!
 
Green Mamba said:
Arena Ferox in the 3DS version is pretty much the exact same idea (a Fire Emblem coliseum) and it's not a walk-off.
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Huh I forgot all about that stage honestly. I think it's weird but I guess that renders my point moot.

But yeah I don't expect walk offs not to exist, but it seems like Smash 4 has a lot of them.
 
All this stage disappointment reminds me of Sonic Generations 3DS' abysmal selection. Absolutely nothing from the Game Gear games or the Sonic Advance series, only 1 stage for Sonic Rush, and rehashed Rival fights instead of portable based bosses.
 
MaverickHunterAsh said:
Yeah, it's exceedingly obvious at this point that it's not getting delayed into next year. I mean it could always still happen, but I'd bet my bottom dollar it won't. This is just based on all the obvious signs; I've not been privy to any actual release date or anything.



Oh, I see where the disappointment comes from too! Hell, I'm a little disappointed. But it's hardly "unforgivable," and that's exactly the kind of hyperbole that makes Smash fans (and gamers today in general, I guess, but that's a different discussion) look and sound so bad.
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Hey Ash, will GameXplain be streaming the JP version of the game this weekend? I have a stream I was gonna head over to but I'd love to watch you guys play around with it. I know you guys haven't typically done that and I haven't seen any announcements or plans for it but I thought I'd ask!
 
MrSaturn99 said:
You're thinking of the Wii U version! :P

Tell you what: we'll settle this on Friday (or whenever the game leaks).
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Berordn said:
Returning stages are also varied between the two versions, as Sakurai stated in the Smash Direct. Halberd was shown for Wii U and Jungle Japes was on 3DS.
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Goddamn it.

Well, unless there's no Kirby stage whatsoever in the 3DS version (Which would be weird and awful), you've convinced me that Gameboy has to be the Kirby stage.
 
Toxi said:
New F-Zero stage, and a new stage that looks like Magicant from the first Mother.
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Neiteio said:
It would appear there is a new F-Zero stage based on the SNES game, complete with Mode 7 graphics. And there is a stage that might be Magicant from the Mother series.
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JazzmanZ said:
yes to both
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Sorry guys, I got what I wanted, it's here where we part ways, I'm sorry I couldn't join you on your crusade for more stages

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