Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XV: Kübler-Ross Edition

So let's reiterate the proper pizza analogy

45 characters is a full pizza

3 clones is an extra slide of free cheesy bread

A lot of people like cheesy bread, and you might not. You didn't pay for the cheesy bread, it's not hurting your pizza, so why do you have to keep free cheesy bread from those that like it?

This describes it all pretty well. You're not going to put more slices of pizza on your pizza, you're getting cheesy bread. You can't trade the bread in for pizza because it wasn't supposed to be made as more pizza. It's bread. IT'S FREAKING BREAD!
 
So let's reiterate the proper pizza analogy

45 characters is a full pizza

3 clones is an extra slide of free cheesy bread

A lot of people like cheesy bread, and you might not. You didn't pay for the cheesy bread, it's not hurting your pizza, so why do you have to keep free cheesy bread from those that like it?

But that analogy doesn't take into account Ganondorf. Ganondorf is slice of the pizza, not an extra.
 
Has there been any word on Zelda's alt moves yet?

Really, really hoping for an alt Din's Fire that works like Project M's.
 
So let's reiterate the proper pizza analogy

45 characters is a full pizza

3 clones is an extra slide of free cheesy bread

A lot of people like cheesy bread, and you might not. You didn't pay for the cheesy bread, it's not hurting your pizza, so why do you have to keep free cheesy bread from those that like it?

This is about as perfect of a pizza analogy as it can get.
 
But that analogy doesn't take into account Ganondorf. Ganondorf is slice of the pizza, not an extra.

Ganondorf is a slice of pizza that never would've been baked if it wasn't baked the way it was, because the developer didn't know of a creative way to bake it.
 
Damn, now I want to order some Papa John's pizza. Thanks, SmashGAF!

Domino's yo

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Manage to get Miku involved aww yeah
 
So let's reiterate the proper pizza analogy

45 characters is a full pizza

3 clones is an extra slide of free cheesy bread

A lot of people like cheesy bread, and you might not. You didn't pay for the cheesy bread, it's not hurting your pizza, so why do you have to keep free cheesy bread from those that like it?

Agreed. This is the true Pizza analogy. And now I'm hungry. Damn.
 
I do think that Sakurai should have thrown Alph in as a fourth clone. Give him Rock Pikmin and make him a little lighter.

While I don't think Pikmin needs another rep
(though Plasm Wraith could work)
, Alph would at least be more visually distinct than say, Dark Pit.
Though Louie would be a better character - more notable, slightly taller, just give him the Rock Pikmin and maybe a few other changes here and there, and he'd work perfectly.
 
Untrue. Sakurai - a veteran video game developer - explicitly stated that there were complications. Please assume that the creator of Smash knows how easy or hard it is to have eight different complex, 60FPS AIs on screen at any one time.

I'm hoping that if that's the case... then old 3DS can handle up to 3 ice climbers at once.

Why is that? Because if it can, that mean's it's possible for ice climbers to be DLC for new3DS. My reasoning, if you're an old 3ds, you can't pick ice climbers, therefore, there would only ever be, at most, 3 ice climbers on screen at once (1 old 3DS vs 3 new3DS).
 
There is no good reason for a character like the Ice Climbers to be cut. There are no possible complications that could arise that would be a valid excuse.

Well there is this thing called finite time and resources. Especially if even the verterans were rebuilt from the ground up. You may have heard of it :P

Again I'm not saying I agree that's just how the masses are going to interpret it. And are interpreting it. The whole "time it takes to make a clone vs. time it takes to make a newcomer/unique veteran" goes over their head. All they see is cool character out, boring character in. Outrage!

Well the only way to address that idiocy is to have no clones at all which would make for a worse game so..........*shrug*
 
So let's reiterate the proper pizza analogy

45 characters is a full pizza

3 clones is an extra slide of free cheesy bread

A lot of people like cheesy bread, and you might not. You didn't pay for the cheesy bread, it's not hurting your pizza, so why do you have to keep free cheesy bread from those that like it?

But also you really only wanted the pizza for the cheese-stuffed crust, which it didn't have. Sure, the resturaunt doesn't offer cheese-stuffed crust, but the REAL reason it's missing is because the cheesy bread used up all the cheese!
 
I would have preferred Alph as a clone over Dark Pit 100%. A second Pikmin character is more interesting than a third Kid Icarus character and I'm still not keen on the idea of a character being a palette swap of another.
 
We're aware of that. Clones didn't keep Ganondorf from getting new moves. It's not like they were thinking "Okay, who should turn into a pig - Ganondorf or Dr. Mario?"

No, the others didn't, but I believe that had Ganondorf not been a clone in Melee he would have been a unique newcomer in Brawl.

There is absolutely no reason to keep Ganondorf a clone outside of some stupid sense of tradition.
 
The clones don't bother since I know they're essentially bonuses, and don't actually take up potential rosters spots... but I do feel like they could have went for better choices as far as clones are concerned. Dark Pit seems like a really boring choice, even for a clone.
 
I would have preferred Alph as a clone over Dark Pit 100%. A second Pikmin character is more interesting than a third Kid Icarus character and I'm still not keen on the idea of a character being a palette swap of another.

He could have an entirely different weapon. We have no idea what he plays like.
 
So let's reiterate the proper pizza analogy

45 characters is a full pizza

3 clones is an extra slide of free cheesy bread

A lot of people like cheesy bread, and you might not. You didn't pay for the cheesy bread, it's not hurting your pizza, so why do you have to keep free cheesy bread from those that like it?

But also you really only wanted the pizza for the cheese-stuffed crust, which it didn't have. Sure, the resturaunt doesn't offer cheese-stuffed crust, but the REAL reason it's missing is because the cheesy bread used up all the cheese!

Perfect pizza analogy.
 
We know the best characters from SF3 didn't make it into SF4.

Oro and Q. ;_;

Timeline :

SFZ - SF II - SF IV - SF III ... But it's Cacpcom, Hugo in, Makoto in, Yun in, Yang in, but no Alex, no Sean... Don't take the timeline seriously, even Cacpcom don't give a fuck, SF IV is just Ono's Dream Match.
 
Dedede was cut for six characters in Melee.

No, he wasn't.
Sakurai wanted Marth in the game.
Sakurai didn't know if they'd get permission for Marth, so he sketched up a moveset for Dedede in case they didn't.
They got Marth and thus didn't have to do Dedede.
Sakurai then wanted to quickly beef up the roster and threw in the 6 clones.
In hindsight, Sakurai said they probably could've made Dedede in roughly the same timeframe instead.
 
While I don't think Pikmin needs another rep
(though Plasm Wraith could work)
, Alph would at least be more visually distinct than say, Dark Pit.
Though Louie would be a better character - more notable, slightly taller, just give him the Rock Pikmin and maybe a few other changes here and there, and he'd work perfectly.

Oh man now that you mention it
Plasma Wraith
should be a boss on Garden of Hope.

He would Yellow Devil look tame lol.
 
Nope not yet....and keep project M's dins fire as far away as possible from sm4sh. D:

Replace one of the most useless moves in the game with one that adds a ton of unique gameplay and complexity for both the Zelda player and the opponent while still being easy to understand and utilize.

I think it would be fantastic from a game design POV. We'd like it to be balanced as well, but that's a tuning issue. The idea is good at its core.
 
Ganondorf is kind of like ordering a Pizza half-mushroom half-cheese pizza, but the pizza parlor ran out of mushrooms they can only physically get you an all-cheese pizza. But hey, a whole cheese pizza is better than just half a cheese pizza right? So you take the whole cheese pizza because hey, a whole cheese pizza is better than only half a cheese pizza. But then the next week you order another half-mushroom half-cheese pizza, but you end up getting a full-cheese pizza because by then it's tradition!

I think I did that right.

So hungry...
 
No, the others didn't, but I believe that had Ganondorf not been a clone in Melee he would have been a unique newcomer in Brawl.

There is absolutely no reason to keep Ganondorf a clone outside of some stupid sense of tradition.

If any one character is responsible for why Ganondorf is still a clone, it's one of the newcomers that took a lot of work. Like it or not, this is Ganondorf's identity in Smash Bros. Your best bet is to hope for Sakurai to include Ganon as his own character in pig form.
 
I just can't see Dark Pit being a straight clone. Either he's going to be more like Brawl Pit, or he's going to use different weapons.

I can see his animations being identical, but the art assets on his moves being different. Similar to how dr mario's pills have different art than mario's fireballs.

Dark pit could do the orbitar animation w/ palms, etc.
 
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