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[QaaQer]

You are buying increasingly expensive hardware to turn on settings that make little difference.

Could be said about the console v pc. As major releases are always made for consoles as primary platform, the core game is the same on pc and console; all the other stuff makes little difference for a lot of people.

Having the option to cheat is a benefit not a downside. It's stupid that devs have basically dropped them all together. Cheats are the basis for some of my fondest childhood gaming memories.

and thats cool. For me personally though, they ruin games and they are also very tempting. Dark Souls fell victim to that for me. I think that's part of the reason I love Demon's so much, I couldn't cheat.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

Exactly, so let people decide whatever they prefer.

I agree. This thread was never about anything else, although it ended up that way sadly. I just wanted to crush people's misconceptions about the platform yet everyone kept the same arguments over and over again regardless. Some people just can't be convinced that maybe the PC platform is worth thinking about.

 

[AnyoneInCherno]

-Can't afford it,
-Don't have the space,
-Not a huge fan of having my library be digital only,

1) PCs are much cheaper than consoles. If you play intensively you can save thousands of pounds per "generation".

2) You can build a mini ITX PC that's only slightly bigger than consoles.

3) You can get games in boxes too. The only games that are exclusively digital are the ones that wouldn't be sold in a box for consoles anyway.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

Because I don't want to fall into that crowd of PC fundamentalists who proclaim that the PC is the 2nd coming, it's quite creepy what PC gaming does to you, I think spending that much money has made the PC crowd feel inferior when consoles get all the exclusives on the platform while they have to riddle over a DRM infested maze of hardware problems with shoddy performance. No thanks.

Your the best MRORANGE. Never change.

 

[blurrygil]

I agree. This thread was never about anything else, although it ended up that way sadly. I just wanted to crush people's misconceptions about the platform yet everyone kept the same arguments over and over again regardless. Some people just can't be convinced that maybe the PC platform is worth thinking about.

The sentiment is admirable. But what you end up doing is re-stoking the same fire that's been lit for ages. One-track minds are going to one-track. And...well...that's ok.

 

[Dictator93]

Because I don't want to fall into that crowd of PC fundamentalists who proclaim that the PC is the 2nd coming, it's quite creepy what PC gaming does to you, I think spending that much money has made the PC crowd feel inferior when consoles get all the exclusives on the platform while they have to riddle over a DRM infested maze of hardware problems with shoddy performance. No thanks.

Just because I jerk off to pictures of heat sink fans doesn't mean that everyone does that. Also I avoid that DRM infested maze by downloading all my games from the piratebay. Every PC gamer pirates, CLiffyB said so.

EDIT: SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG TO POST; MY COMPUTER BSOD'D WHILE ACCESSING THE BROWSER.

 

[Windom Earle]

Bah! Go cheaper!

lol you are right but I guess am willing to accept $10 of console tax. Buying cheaper on PC of course

Because I don't want to fall into that crowd of PC fundamentalists who proclaim that the PC is the 2nd coming, it's quite creepy what PC gaming does to you, I think spending that much money has made the PC crowd feel inferior when consoles get all the exclusives on the platform while they have to riddle over a DRM infested maze of hardware problems with shoddy performance. No thanks.

Heh

 

[Bubbavelli]

Im trappin off a laptop right now but once I get a good job (hopefully) then I'll get that rig. I used to be heavy into pc games when I was younger and then went to consoles. Im glad to be back. Consoles are okay but the "exclusivity" gap is narrowing, especially in games that im interested in

 

[flyinpiranha]

PC Pros:

Games are cheap
Better graphics
Cool LED lights on fans
Keyboard has a neat LCD that shows a clock
Awesome fast car or hot babe screensaver
Makes you a hacker

Console Pros:

Not in a dark dungeon
Gets mad props from brosephs
Ladies love force feedback on controllers
Better looking playerbase
Super easy chill setup to play
xxXXX420_FriendlyXXXxx

 

[Seanspeed]

Of course, I will concede that being immediately comfortable with it probably requires a degree of expertise superior to the one required to use a console... Gladly that's not an issue for me.

I think for the sake of eliminating potential 'defensive' triggers, stuff like this should probably be worded better. Like using the word 'superior' here just gives the whole sentence a vibe that many people are going to interpret condescendingly.

I think it would be preferable simply to say that the ease of use on PC is improved with a working knowledge of how to use it properly. Not that its difficult to use otherwise, just that becoming comfortable with things tends to eliminate mistakes and make many things that people describe as a 'hassle' quite simple and brainless.

Fair enough. I said "the elder scrolls" and it launched Civilization IV BtS. It did work with bunch of other stuff (FTL, Fractured Soul, I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream, Sega mega Drive Classics, Minecraft, Zandronum, Mahjong titans, Fallout 2...)

Ah cool. Are you just basically asking for the executable in these cases? I might have to give that a try at some point. I quite like voice commands.

 

[QaaQer]

Cheats are annoying as hell, definitely. I really wish there was less of that on PC.

The MP seems more fair because the glass ceiling is much lower with analog controls. Typically, the games with an insanely high skill ceiling (ignoring fighters of course), aren't available for play on console. Or if they are, they're weird versions, like Tribes: Aerial Assault.

That makes total sense. Thanks.

 

[Windom Earle]

Just because I jerk off to pictures of heat sink fans doesn't mean that everyone does that.

Everyone should though...

Love me some Noctua...

 

[Dictator93]

Everyone should though...

Love me some Noctua...

mmmmm--- skin colored------

Spoiler

NH-D14 in my rig is now an off-yellow due to my abuse of it

 

[Ray Wonder]

Just because I jerk off to pictures of heat sink fans doesn't mean that everyone does that. Also I avoid that DRM infested maze by downloading all my games from the piratebay. Every PC gamer pirates, CLiffyB said so.

EDIT: SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG TO POST; MY COMPUTER BSOD'D WHILE ACCESSING THE BROWSER.

This is my favorite post in a long time.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

Ah cool. Are you just basically asking for the executable in these cases? I might have to give that a try at some point. I quite like voice commands.

Now that I think of if, it seemed to work with anything that had a shortcut in the Start Menu. So you could probably assign a custom voice command to any executable. Then say "launch <shortcut or exe name>"

 

[Zaku]

This is just wrong. Practically every game automatically adjusts the quality to what it estimates your PC can handle.

also, it isn't required to upgrade a PC every couple of years. I think I'm talking to a troll though so who's owned now?

1) Even when the game adjusts to what it estimates your PC can handle, it's often wrong or the priorities of the devs are skewed to my own priorities. I prefer 60 fps to a huge resolution, and would prefer particle effects stay intact rather than sacrifice them for more AA. It is very rare that the default settings I get match what I want.

2) It's not a requirement to upgrade your PC every couple of years IF you've bought high end equipment OR if you prefer to do a fresh, brand-new build every five years or so. If you've got a moderate PC build and want to keep it moderate, you upgrade every couple of years.

I've got a PC which cost me $450 to build, which I've kept relatively current just with a couple upgrades here and there for $50-150. I can't crunch 4k Crysis 3 at max settings, but it gets the job done.

3) Disagreeing with the notion that PC gaming is more convenient than console gaming makes me neither a troll, nor does your reply to it render me "owned". How immature can a person be?

 

[delta25]

So what exactly happened between Delta and Tuco lol

Nothing really, we both represent different sides of gaming, we're bound to clash heads from time to time. Its not that he's wrong on his opinion, not by any means, he just rubs me the wrong way in how he presents himself towards others who feel in-different to his way of thinking. I mean for him PC gaming is the perfect gaming ecosystem one of which is void of any problems and is perfect, but on the other hand, there are people who feel that their are in-fact problems and inconsistencies with PC gaming that may just very well be enough to deter someone from the platform. But truth be told this statement can work for both sides of the argument, IMO both platforms have there pros and cons, none of which IMO makes one better over the other.

 

[mkenyon]

Because it isnt required for other cards then completely new and thats even changing.
I'm a PC gamer since 486's. And i'm updating drivers once 1.5-2 years for like 6 years.
It never caused me performance problems or stability problems in games.
In fact when i changed drivers, i hardly saw any improvements at all.

Me too. 486 DX100 was my Christmas present when I was 12.

However:

This is the GeForce Game Ready driver for the Crysis 3. It delivers a smoother gaming experience, improves single GPU performance by up to 5%, and boosts SLI performance by up to 65% (compared to GeForce 310.90 WHQL driver).

Instantly apply optimal game settings for Crysis 3 with GeForce Experience

EA’s recommended GeForce GPU for Crysis 3 is a GeForce GTX 560 or higher. For the Hi-Performance PC Specification, EA recommends GeForce GTX 680.

GeForce R313 drivers also provide significant performance increases in other top games like Assassin’s Creed III, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, and Far Cry 3.

New in GeForce 314.07 Drivers
Increases performance by up to 5% in Crysis 3 (measured with GeForce GTX 680 at 1920x1080 high settings).

New in GeForce R313 Drivers

Performance Boost – Increases performance for GeForce 400/500/600 series GPUs in several PC games vs. GeForce 310.90 WHQL-certified drivers. Results will vary depending on your GPU and system configuration:
GeForce GTX 690:
Up to 65% in Crysis 3
Up to 24% in Assassin’s Creed III
Up to 15% in Civilization V
Up to 14% in Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Up to 12% in Dirt 3
Up to 11% in Just Cause 2
Up to 9% in Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Up to 8% in Far Cry 2
Up to 7% in Far Cry 3
Up to 7% in Batman: Arkham City
Up to 7% in Dragon Age II
Up to 5% in Battlefield 3
Up to 4% in Shogun: Total War
Up to 4% in Stalker: Call of Pripyat
GeForce GTX 670:
Up to 28% in Assassin’s Creed III
Up to 11% in Civilization V
Up to 8% in Far Cry 3
Up to 6% in Just Cause 2
Up to 5% in Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Up to 5% in Dirt 3
Up to 5% in Batman: Arkham City
Up to 5% in Far Cry 2
Up to 4% in Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Up to 3% in Shogun: Total War
Up to 3% in Stalker: Call of Pripyat
NVIDIA SLI Technology – Adds or updates the following SLI profiles:
Crysis 3 – updated SLI profile
Warframe– updated SLI profile
DmC: Devil May Cry– added SLI profile
NVIDIA 3D Vision – Adds the following profiles:
Crysis 3 – rated Excellent
Dead Space 3 – rated Poor
Resident Evil 6- rated Good
NVIDIA CUDA
Includes support for applications built using CUDA 5 or earlier version of the CUDA Toolkit. More information at http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-toolkit
Additional Details

Installs PhysX System Software 9.12.1031.
Installs HD Audio v1.3.23.1
Supports OpenGL 4.3 for GeForce 400-series and later GPUs.
Supports DisplayPort 1.2 for GeForce GTX 600 series GPUs.
Supports multiple languages and APIs for GPU computing: CUDA C, CUDA C++, CUDA Fortran, OpenCL, DirectCompute, and Microsoft C++ AMP.
Supports single GPU and NVIDIA SLI technology on DirectX 9, DirectX 10, DirectX 11, and OpenGL, including 3-way SLI, Quad SLI, and SLI support on SLI-certified Intel and AMD motherboards.

New in GeForce R331 Drivers

New GPU Support
GeForce GTX 780Ti now supported
Performance Boost – Increases performance by up to 19% for GeForce 400/500/600/700 series GPUs in several PC games vs. GeForce 327.23 WHQL-certified drivers. Results will vary depending on your GPU and system configuration. Here is one example of measured gains:

GeForce GTX 690/770/780/TITAN:
Up to 12% in Battlefield 4
Up to 19% in Sniper Elite V2
Up to 13% in Dirt: Showdown
Up to 9% in Metro: Last Light
Up to 9% in Sleeping Dogs
Up to 8% in Max Payne 3
Up to 6% in F1 2012
SLI Technology
Batman: Arkham Origins – updated profile
Battlefield 4 – updated profile
Shadow Warrior – added DX9 profile
War of the Vikings – added DX11 profile
Dragon Sword - updated DX9 profile
GRID 2 - updated DX11 profile
Euro Truck Simulator 2 - updated profile
3D Vision
Shadow Warrior – “Excellent”
Call of Duty: Ghosts – “Fair”
The Wolf Among Us – “Good”
Gaming Technology
Enables GeForce ShadowPlay™ technology
Civilization 5 – added HBAO+
SHIELD
Enables NVIDIA GameStream™ technology
4K Displays
Adds support for 4K Surround

Additional Details

Installs new PhysX System Software 9.13.0725.
Installs HD Audio v1.3.26.4
Installs GeForce Experience v9.3.16.0
Includes support for applications built using CUDA 5.5 or earlier version of the CUDA Toolkit. More information at http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-toolkit
Supports OpenGL 4.3 for GeForce 400-series and later GPUs.
Supports DisplayPort 1.2 for GeForce GTX 600 series GPUs.
Supports multiple languages and APIs for GPU computing: CUDA C, CUDA C++, CUDA Fortran, OpenCL, DirectCompute, and Microsoft C++ AMP.
Supports single GPU and NVIDIA SLI technology on DirectX 9, DirectX 10.

New in GeForce 337.88 Game Ready WHQL drivers

Game Ready - This 337.88 Game Ready WHQL driver ensures you'll have the best possible gaming experience for Watch Dogs.
Performance – Introduces key DirectX optimizations which result in reduced game-loading times and significant performance increases across a wide variety of games compared with the previous 335.23 WHQL. Significant CPU overhead reductions in the driver result in performance gains that will often favor CPU-bottlenecked situations. Per usual, results will vary depending on your GPU, system configuration, and game settings.

Sample titles with performance gains of 10% or more since 335.23 WHQL*

3840x2160 (4K)

Call of Duty: Ghosts
F1 2013
Hitman Absolution
Sniper v2
DiRT 3
Just Cause 2
Team Fortress 2

2560x1400

Call of Duty: Ghosts
Sleeping Dogs
Hitman Absolution
Thief
World of Tanks
Just Cause 2
Team Fortress 2
StarSwarm

System Configuration Used:
GeForce GTX 780Ti SLI, 335.23 WHQL, 337.88 WHQL, Intel Core i7 4770K, 16GB, Win8.1 x64

4K Displays – 337.88 WHQL offers full support for both MST and SST 4K displays
SLI Technology
Watch Dogs – updated profile
Wildstar – added profile
Windborne – added profile
Sniper Elite 3 – added profile
Smite – added profile
Icarus – added profile
Daylight – added profile
Dark Souls II – added profile
Call of Duty: Online – added profile
Bound by Flame – updated profile
World of Tanks – updated profile
Everquest: Landmark – updated profile
Planetside 2 – updated profile
Gaming Technology
Supports GeForce ShadowPlay™ technology
Supports GeForce ShadowPlay™ Twitch Streaming
SHIELD
Supports NVIDIA GameStream™ technology
3D Vision
Supports new “3D Compatibility Mode” for 3D Vision that enables us to improve the 3D experience for many key DirectX 10 and 11 games.
3D Vision Profiles
Goat Simulator – rated “Excellent”
MXGP – rated “Good”
Call of Duty:Online – rated “Good”
Dark Souls II – rated “Good”
DayZ – rated “Good”
Halo: Spartan Assault – rated “Good”
Loadout – rated “Fair”

I wont add the AMD stuff, as that's plenty of huge spam. You get the idea though.

This is also official releases. I can copy/pasta data on beta drivers and hotfixes that are required to play some games well or even make them work period within the first couple of weeks. That does exist.

Again, I'm not discounting your experience. I'm very explicitly saying that your experience is not an accurate representation of what other people need to do.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

been playing assetto corsa online races all day (since I posted in this thread, 7-8 hrs ago). jesus christ it's amazing.

worth it to get a pc just for this. and a wheel. and oculus rift when it comes out, holy shit that's going to be the best thing ever.

go for it, people without a pc. buy some stuff

 

[flyinpiranha]

You realize that most of that stuff is just improvements? I see very few "could not play game" bug fixes. And 4k added resolutions.

Those are just technology keeping up for people with newer cards and newer functions, I updated my HD6870 once over the two years I had it, just forgot about it honestly.

Very few big games are released where it requires a GPU driver update, most are game updates and that's regular for all platforms now.

EDIT: I mean read most of the updates, performance boosts, 3D Vision enhancements, 4k resolutions, SLI ... I don't see any that would be "required" honestly. All just improvements on performance without actually updating hardware ... something I wish for most console games honestly.

 

[terrisus]

But, I do have a gaming-quality PC.
It just happens to be a laptop PC.

As far as why no desktop PC, because there isn't any desktop monitor I can rest on my knee a foot in front of me while I'm sitting on a couch.
And no, "lolcomfycouchPC" doesn't address that, because the television's more like 10 feet away from the couch. I want something right in front of me - and not at a desk.

Basically, it needs to exist within the space around the area of where this laptop screen is:

If you have a combination monitor/keyboard that I can rest on my lap hooked up to a desktop PC, let me know.
Until then, I'll continue using laptops, as I have for the past decade.

I used desktop computers from 1992-around 2002, but since then, it's been laptop-only for me.

 

[Seanspeed]

Now that I think of if, it seemed to work with anything that had a shortcut in the Start Menu. So you could probably assign a custom voice command to any executable. Then say "launch <shortcut or exe name>"

I'll definitely have to mess around with it at some point.

Ugh, such hassle.

Great screenname by the way.

3) Disagreeing with the notion that PC gaming is more convenient than console gaming makes me neither a troll, nor does your reply to it render me "owned". How immature can a person be?

Yea, that was a cringe-worthy comment. And I agree with your previous post, too. Quite fair overall.

 

[inkls]

As others have mentioned, no it doesn't. You should really just stick to "the games (or co-op games in particular) I happen to personally like are console-centric." That is fine, and cannot be argued.

Many people aren't aware of the sheer number of games being released on PC in any given year. The number is enormous; I can say with absolute certainty that more games will be released on PC just this year than will be released during the entire duration of the PS4's lifespan. Now, some of these games could reasonably be described as "bad." Some will have tons of bugs. Still others won't appeal to your personal tastes. And, most importantly of all, almost none of these games will be advertised, which is why a lot of people -- even on a forum such as GAF -- aren't aware of their existence.

But please know that if you want to get in to a straight up list war of PC vs. console games, consoles will lose virtually every single battle. You're much safer sticking to your preferences, because those are fine. If you want co-op games generally, the PC has you covered in spades. If you specifically want Journey, then yes, the PC won't do it for you.

If only, I would pay so much for that to happen.

 

[DarkHeartedKill]

I'd much rather play Sony and Nintendo exclusives.

I'd much rather use OS X than god-awful Windows.

I'd hate to play online with "PC Master Race" kids. This is probably the biggest, as I find most vocal proponents for PC gaming to be insufferable.

I'd hate to sit at a computer desk/chair and use a kb/m to game. I'd similarly hate to have to lug my PC to my TV to cast the image there.

I used to play games on PC back in the Monkey Island days and again in the Half Life, Grim Fandango days but at this point there's no reason to. All those types of games will come to consoles, and I can still go buy Civ Alpha Centurai edition for my Mac when that comes out.

I agree with that, they have really good exclusives. I wanna play The Last of Us :3.

Windows 7 isn't that bad, it's really good. Vista is a disease that deserves to be forgotten though.

You can use an Xbox controller(PS3 controller too but you need to get some mods and stuff I think) for most games, and I think Big Pictures streams it over your internet, but you'd have to have a TV that connects to your internet for it work. So that could be a problem yeah.

The one that go "PC Master race, console peasants!" make up an extremely small percentage of PC gamers. I do it as a joke to rip on friends, but I don't actually do it to anyone else, to each their own if they want to use a console it doesn't negative affect me, so in turn it doesn't bother me.

They may or may not come to console, however, no subscription to play online and massive deals that make your wallet cry internally are what makes me love PC gaming heh.

 

[mkenyon]

You realize that most of that stuff is just improvements? I see very few "could not play game" bug fixes. And 4k added resolutions.

Those are just technology keeping up for people with newer cards and newer functions, I updated my HD6870 once over the two years I had it, just forgot about it honestly.

Very few big games are released where it requires a GPU driver update, most are game updates and that's regular for all platforms now.

I can dig if you want, but to name a few off the top of my head:

Watch Dogs
Battlefield 3/4
APB
Brink
CoD MW2, Black Ops, Blops 2
Rage

There's been a number of driver releases that end up making the system unstable and crash, with a hotfix required shortly after as well.

Then we can also talk about the AMD frame pacing issue.

http://techreport.com/news/25767/amd-delays-driver-with-broader-frame-pacing-support-until-january

http://techreport.com/news/25428/dr...inity-4k-frame-pacing-issues-coming-this-fall

http://techreport.com/review/25167/frame-pacing-driver-aims-to-revive-the-radeon-hd-7990

http://techreport.com/news/25248/ne...-better-performance-frame-pacing-improvements

Again, your anecdote is not an accurate representation.

 

[Sendou]

I'm very confused.

I like my PC better than consoles, and I apologize for budding in. Is this not exactly what you said though?

Yeah should have read what I wrote lol. Although what I wrote should be put in context. Or more precisely I still want to hear why the poster thinks local co-op on PC sucks. I'm still unconvinced when it comes to reasoning behind that statement.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

I will as a birthday present to myself. The Witcher 3 will be out by then, I can't wait. For me:

PC: 3rd party games at best technical quality, interesting exclusives as well. Dolphin and PCSX2.
Wii U: companion console for great Japanese games.
PS4: companion console for now but will get it going. Bloodborne and The Last of Us (still haven't played it) are enough.
PSTV: PS4 streaming, Vita games I've accumulated through PS+, and new compatible releases, PSP games (I never played)

Gaming has never been more interesting for me than it is now.

 

[KKRT00]

Me too. 486 DX100 was my Christmas present when I was 12.

However:

I wont add the AMD stuff, as that's plenty of huge spam. You get the idea though.

This is also official releases. I can copy/pasta data on beta drivers and hotfixes that are required to play some games well or even make them work period within the first couple of weeks. That does exist.

Again, I'm not discounting your experience. I'm very explicitly saying that your experience is not an accurate representation of what other people need to do.

Thats exactly what i meant.
The improvements, are not only minor for single card GPUs, they are mostly for just released cards.
And look that this is 'Up to'. They do not guarantee any change at all.

----

Then we can also talk about the AMD frame pacing issue.

Sure, this and nvidia cpu optimizations are the reasons to update those drivers every two years.
But not ones You posted earlier, that affect Titans, 780 and multi-processors GPUs.

 

[Devilgunman]

1) PCs are much cheaper than consoles. If you play intensively you can save thousands of pounds per "generation".

I think he was talking about initial cost though. If a person have $500 in their hand and want to play a video game, that person can't really buy a decent PC with games with that money.

 

[CyberPunked]

I have to agree with PC gaf on pretty much everything stated thus far, granted for me personally as long as the console front holds the better exclusives that I like, I will always choose the console/handhelds first and foremost.

I mean come on, what would a console vs PC thread be without Dela posting a gif from the order

Must. Resist. Star Citizen gif.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Brand loyalty.

 

[KKRT00]

Must. Resist. Star Citizen gif.
http://giant.gfycat.com/PertinentElaborateHarpseal.gif

Bravo, You've even manage to show the difference in resolution

 

[mkenyon]

Thats exactly what i meant.
The improvements, are not only minor for single card GPUs, they are mostly for just released cards.
And look that this is 'Up to'. They do not guarantee any change at all.

----

Sure, this and nvidia cpu optimizations are the reasons to update those drivers every two years.
But not ones You posted earlier, that affect Titans, 780 and multi-processors GPUs.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/204rwe/warning_for_nvidia_users_geforce_33523_driver/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...ashing-in-several-helixmod-games-please-sign/

AMD Catalyst 12.4b (8.961.3 May 24) AMD Official Hotfix - 05-25-2012, 22:22 | posts: 1,012 | Location: iTALY
Enjoy

Downloads:
> Windows 7/Vista <
> Windows XP <
> Windows 7/Vista MobilityMod <

Issue Description:
We&#8217;ve recently identified an issue where some of our legacy graphics products are producing certain artifacts in Diablo III and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim with our latest release of AMD Catalyst&#8482; 12.4. This issue affects users of ATI Radeon&#8482; HD 2400, 2600, 2900, 3400, 3600 and 4500 graphics cards.

AMD Catalyst 11.7b Hotfix (8.871 June 27) - 07-06-2011, 17:50 | posts: 1,012 | Location: iTALY
Enjoy

Downloads:
> Win 7/Vista <
> Windows XP <
> MobilityMod <

AMD Catalyst&#8482; driver 11.7b Hotfix Features:

-Resolves the following issues:
Blue screen erorrs (BSOD) seen when connecting a HDMI and DisplayPort based display to an AMD Radeon HD graphics product when using AMD Catalyst 11.6
Screen flickering when the system is idle
Mouse pointer corruption found in previous AMD Catalyst releases

AMD Catalyst 11.5a Hotfix - 05-09-2011, 17:22 | posts: 1,012 | Location: iTALY
Follow me on Twitter: @asder00 for the latest releases!

Enjoy

Download:
Windows 7
Windows XP
Windows Vista FIX (extract this in the directory of the driver and install via device manager)
---
MobilityMod Windows 7/Vista



Build Info:
8.85.6-110505a-118668E
DriverVer=05/05/2011, 8.850.6.0000 (RC1)
Sign Date: May 6 (AMD)

AMD Catalyst&#8482; Driver 11.5a Hotfix Feature:
Includes performance optimizations and resolves various quality issues for the upcoming release of Brink&#8482;
Resolves transcoding video lagging issues seen when converting multiple H.264 clips to MPEG2 Blu-ray video
Resolves the intermittent mouse cursor lag issue seen by some users
Resolves intermittent flickering issues seen in the following applications in a system using an AMD Radeon&#8482; HD 6600 series graphics card with DDR3 memory and running in DirectX® 9 mode:
-Civilization 5
-Dead Rising 2
-Fallout 3
-Mafia 2
-NBA 2010
-ShenGuiChuanQi
-Starcraft 2
-Warcraft III
-World of Warcra

AMD Catalyst&#8482; 11.5b hotfix 5/25/2011 - 05-25-2011, 22:01 | posts: 21
AMD Catalyst&#8482; Driver 11.5b Hotfix

Quote:
Features: Includes performance optimizations and resolves various quality issues for the upcoming release of Brink&#8482;
Resolves transcoding video lagging issues seen when converting multiple H.264 clips to MPEG2 Blu-ray video
Resolves the intermittent mouse cursor lag issue seen by some users
Resolves intermittent flickering issues seen in the following applications in a system using an AMD Radeon&#8482; HD 6000 series graphics card with DDR3 memory and running in DirectX® 9 mode:
Civilization 5
Dead Rising 2
Fallout 3
Mafia 2
NBA 2010
ShenGuiChuanQi
Starcraft 2
Warcraft III
World of Warcraft
Support for additional Stereo 3D-capable displays:
Viewsonic V3D241wm-LED
3D Projectors
Enables AMD CrossFire&#8482; scaling for Brink
Enables AMD CrossFire scaling for The Witcher 2
Improves performance for Dirt 3

That last one was required for Brink to be playable on AMD cards, though it doesn't explicitly say that. I remember, because it happened at a LAN I hosted for the release of Brink.

11.5a came out, and made an unplayable Brink MORE unplayable. Then they had to hotfix the hotfix. But if you installed the 11.5a, then 11.5b, it wouldn't work. You had to totally sweep your system clear of all drivers, and install 11.5b without anything else on there for it to work. Prime example of what people complain about.

Even without that very specific data you requested, if you want to pass by 5-30% improvement as "not important", then the goalposts have already been moved well past the point of rational conversation. But, I'd say this latest batch of information should hopefully satisfy your requirement for a touchdown.

 

[Nethaniah]

*snip*

That last one was required for Brink to be playable on AMD cards, though it doesn't explicitly say that. I remember, because it happened at a LAN I hosted for the release of Brink.

Even without that very specific data you requested, if you want to pass by 5-30% improvement as "not important", then the goalposts have already been moved well past the point of rational conversation. But, I'd say this latest batch of information should hopefully satisfy your requirement for a touchdown.

With Nvidia you rarely if ever have these issues, other people's fault for picking AMD imho, it's a brand that's known to be shit with both hardware and software.

It's "up to xx%" not "x-xx%" guaranteed, therefore in practice (outside specific setups) totally unimportant.

 

[Seanspeed]

If there's anything that's gonna turn people off PC gaming its posting huge, boring lists of driver update change logs.

 

[Dictator93]

If there's anything that's gonna turn people off PC gaming its posting huge lists of driver update change logs.

That stuff gets me wet.

To each his own.

 

[Seanspeed]

That stuff gets me wet.

To each his own.

I wasn't really being serious.

 

[Kinthalis]

Because I don't want to fall into that crowd of PC fundamentalists who proclaim that the PC is the 2nd coming, it's quite creepy what PC gaming does to you, I think spending that much money has made the PC crowd feel inferior when consoles get all the exclusives on the platform while they have to riddle over a DRM infested maze of hardware problems with shoddy performance. No thanks.

As opposed to the fundamentalist console gamers who proclaim console gaming as the 2nd coming... people like YOU.

 

[3DimensionalAperture]

The vast majority of the games I play are not on PC and I'm not going to get a gaming rig just on the hope and dream that in a few years they'll maybe get put out on PC. The fact that GTA5 alone took more than an entire year to get on PC after it got released everywhere else is enough to not make me ever want to get a gaming PC. Dark Souls also took a year to see a PC release, and even Dark Souls II's PC release was delayed. Not worth it in my eyes, even if it means slightly better visuals/frame rate. That's not why I play video games. If you like that stuff, go ahead by all means!

The other reason is because I like having physical copies of my media (that includes movies, CDs, etc) and many PC titles are only available digitally.

 

[Sendou]

As opposed to the fundamentalist console gamers who proclaim console gaming as the 2nd coming... people like YOU.

Look at his thread history.

All in all you might want to take it down a notch.

 

[mkenyon]

With Nvidia you rarely if ever have these issues, other people's fault for picking AMD imho, it's a brand that's known to be shit.

It's "up to xx%" not "x-xx%" guaranteed, therefore in practice totally unimportant.

That's equally untrue.

Hell, they have entire driver releases that cause nasty crashes for a number of reasons. I can remember at least 3 occasions in recent memory (past few years) where I've had to rollback GeForce drviers. I can remember more occasions where I've had to install hotfixes to play a game, or even screw with settings through the NVIDIA control panel to get some games to work.

Just click on those links above my quoted stuff above for two examples.

If there's anything that's gonna turn people off PC gaming its posting huge, boring lists of driver update change logs.

I figured the dry writing was right up your alley Sean.

I'm trying to give credence to the common complaint of "driver stuff is a PITA". Cause it really is sometimes. It's not a big deal if it's as second nature as riding a bike. But not being accustomed to that sort of troubleshooting would make some things I've gone through seem like hell.

 

[Seanspeed]

Look at his thread history.

Clearly a Microsoft shill.

 

[Sendou]

Clearly a Microsoft shill.

I'm still wondering how MRORANGE isn't perma banned. Damn console bias mods. That guy trolls literally every PC thread made. To what end?

 

[delta25]

Must. Resist. Star Citizen gif.

Amazing indeed, my problem with star Citizen is I fear that its destine to be the next Crysis, not this this is bad thing in terms of the game itself but more so to do with the fact that its going to take me years and years before I ever have a PC that will be capable of maxing it out. Unfortunately for myself having high standards for PC gaming means that if I cant maxed out with a stable frame rate, I wont even go near it, in till such a time comes when I have the hardware capable.
Now on the other side, I see The order 1886 in all its amazing visual splendor and I know right out of the box I'm getting the the best possible version void of any and possible hardware configs that may yield better results. Its one of the benefits I personally see in console gaming, kind of a one and done deal, which in the PC world isn't always the case.

 

[KKRT00]

Even without that very specific data you requested, if you want to pass by 5-30% improvement as "not important", then the goalposts have already been moved well past the point of rational conversation. But, I'd say this latest batch of information should hopefully satisfy your requirement for a touchdown.

1. Hotfix to legacy GPUs
2. Hotfix to bad CCC release
3. and 4. are for laptop GPUs, which i totally agree that require more updates, especially if You are using Intel GPUs
Brink issue, like RAGE issue is mostly, because of id-tech 4 which was terrible on AMD's cards, somehow playable on Nvidia's

Also, anything less than 10% performance difference is hard to even notice in games, because its mostly situation dependent. It can be real boost or just placebo effect.
Still, none of those was essential for most people and definitely do not force You to update every new driver release.

 

[Nethaniah]

That's equally untrue.

Hell, they have entire driver releases that cause nasty crashes for a number of reasons. I can remember at least 3 occasions in recent memory (past few years) where I've had to rollback GeForce drviers. I can remember more occasions where I've had to install hotfixes to play a game, or even screw with settings through the NVIDIA control panel to get some games to work.

Just click on those links above my quoted stuff above for two examples.

Been on Nvidia after a few bad pc's that ran fully on AMD hardware (well, when i say ran....) after that it was very tempting to go consoles only cause it was one bad experience after the other both with GPU and CPU.

Running Nvidia for more then 8 years now and haven't had a huge issue since that wasn't caused by user error.

What's weird is that these days they can't compete one way or the other and people will still say they prefer AMD hardware despite even the whole better pricing thing not being there anymore, i would love for AMD to get off it's ass and be competitive but they're just not.

 

[Sendou]

Unfortunately for myself having high standards for PC gaming means that if I cant maxed out with a stable frame rate, I wont even go near it, in till such a time comes when I have the hardware capable.

That's weird midset to have. Some games are clearly designed to take advantage of future hardware. In fact I'd argue that's sign of a good game.

 

[Stallion Free]

Amazing indeed, my problem with star Citizen is I fear that its destine to be the next Crysis, not this this is bad thing in terms of the game itself but more so to do with the fact that its going to take me years and years before I ever have a PC that will be capable of maxing it out. Unfortunately for myself having high standards for PC gaming means that if I cant maxed out with a stable frame rate, I wont even go near it, in till such a time comes when I have the hardware capable.
Now on the other side, I see The order 1886 in all its amazing visual splendor and I know right out of the box I'm getting the the best possible version void of any and possible hardware configs that may yield better results. Its one of the benefits I personally see in console gaming, kind of a one and done deal, which in the PC world isn't always the case.

What about the 4K PS5 re-release?

 

[Seanspeed]

The vast majority of the games I play are not on PC and I'm not going to get a gaming rig

That sounds a bit like a chicken and egg problem right there.

Also, we waited like 2 months for Dark Souls 2 and it was more than worth the wait. Here's how 'slight' the difference was:





And at double the framerate. There's certain waits that can be annoying, but it doesn't happen that often and PC does get the vast majority of console multiplatforms.

I figured the dry writing was right up your alley Sean.

I'm trying to give credence to the common complaint of "driver stuff is a PITA". Cause it really is sometimes. It's not a big deal if it's as second nature as riding a bike. But not being accustomed to that sort of troubleshooting would make some things I've gone through seem like hell.

Oh I know. And I agree. Its definitely good to keep up with driver updates for the most part and its easy peasy stuff.

 

[kpeezy]

1) Even when the game adjusts to what it estimates your PC can handle, it's often wrong or the priorities of the devs are skewed to my own priorities. I prefer 60 fps to a huge resolution, and would prefer particle effects stay intact rather than sacrifice them for more AA. It is very rare that the default settings I get match what I want.

2) It's not a requirement to upgrade your PC every couple of years IF you've bought high end equipment OR if you prefer to do a fresh, brand-new build every five years or so. If you've got a moderate PC build and want to keep it moderate, you upgrade every couple of years.

I've got a PC which cost me $450 to build, which I've kept relatively current just with a couple upgrades here and there for $50-150. I can't crunch 4k Crysis 3 at max settings, but it gets the job done.

3) Disagreeing with the notion that PC gaming is more convenient than console gaming makes me neither a troll, nor does your reply to it render me "owned". How immature can a person be?

I'm the one who is owned. I thought that was pretty easy to understand.

1. You have 0 control on consoles over these settings so why is having the option a negative, even when you don't have to utilize it?

2. You're just wrong, this isn't a negative. A $600 PC will last the life of a console and you'll easily save money in the end.

3. reading is hard