Sentenza
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Well, that's what you tend to get for making a delusional claim.
I'm not even sure how the kind of topic discussed should make much of a difference.
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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I'm not even sure how the kind of topic discussed should make much of a difference.
Crash Station
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Gonna have to eventually with where the industry is going, but I think we still got a while before "console-like experiences" become the norm with Japanese mobile games. When that happens, I hope controller options become more widespread and taken into account with development.
Attacking someone at a personal level for being wrong on such a trivial subject matter such as the one being discussed gives you no credibility in my books.
PCs are much easier to use than they used to be (good controller support, Steam auto-patching), but they still aren't as easy to use as a console. I've had to hand-edit INI files to get games to recognize my controller (Rainbow Six Vegas). I've had to do some internet research and fiddle with settings to stop crashes (Resident Evil 5 crashes with certain Direct X settings). Many games I own require multiple logins (Login to Steam, and then GFWL / UPlay).
To be fair, the games I do have that work without hassle (Borderlands 2, Skyrim), they look and run a lot better than on my X360.
To be fair, the games I do have that work without hassle (Borderlands 2, Skyrim), they look and run a lot better than on my X360.
Arcanine55
Neo Member
I bougth mine 3 years ago and It's the best choice that I made gaming related.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
What?
"pro configs" used by anyone will always use native monitor resolution, every other graphical bell and whistle goes long before resolution does.
- I don't use Windows at home, and don't want to
- I don't want to play games sitting at my desk, and HTPC user interfaces are still not as efficient and straightforward as consoles (Steam BPM is making progress, but is still not there yet)
- My general interests in video games are more console oriented (fighting games, platformers, mostly Japanese in origin, etc.), not everything I want to play is on PC
- I don't care enough about graphics to be bothered, consoles are good enough
- I am not interested in spending time tweaking stuff, my video game time is too limited for that
Cost and technical expertise are not an issue. It's just everything else that makes me go "why bother?"
- I don't want to play games sitting at my desk, and HTPC user interfaces are still not as efficient and straightforward as consoles (Steam BPM is making progress, but is still not there yet)
- My general interests in video games are more console oriented (fighting games, platformers, mostly Japanese in origin, etc.), not everything I want to play is on PC
- I don't care enough about graphics to be bothered, consoles are good enough
- I am not interested in spending time tweaking stuff, my video game time is too limited for that
Cost and technical expertise are not an issue. It's just everything else that makes me go "why bother?"
Sentenza
Member
There's no "personal level" involved. Not sure what makes you think otherwise.
Just an harsh (but fair?) judgment about people making statements that don't make any sense and do *indeed* strike me as a form of self-delusion.
"You are making a delusional statement" does NOT equate to "I hate you so much on a personal level" as you seem to think.
geordiemp
Member
I like to play COD - when I play on a console ;
1. All players are using same controller
2. All players have same FOV and are all running at 60 Hz
3. All players have same gun control / cant do mods on fire rate for semi auto etc etc
Yes, there can be console cheats, but I perceive it is a more level playing field
1. All players are using same controller
2. All players have same FOV and are all running at 60 Hz
3. All players have same gun control / cant do mods on fire rate for semi auto etc etc
Yes, there can be console cheats, but I perceive it is a more level playing field
FunkyPajamas
Member
I have a nice laptop that I use for my personal stuff (work, email, browsing, etc) and also to *mostly* play GOG games (Good Old Games games? that doesn't sound right) so I'm not sure that I count as "having a [gaming] PC".
I guess one of the reasons why I don't have a *gaming* PC is that I can't really afford having a dedicated rig so that I can set it up with my TV/Sound System, while also having my laptop (which I need) to do the rest of the stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I hook a dedicated PC to the TV then I would have to unplug it if I were to do some work or whatever while The Woman watches Netflix or whatnot. Right?
Also, while I enjoy mostly single player games, I like to do some co-op from time to time and none of my friends are PC gamers (all of them console gamers, there are a few who don't even own a PC/Laptop even), so I guess I could play RPG/Strategy games or some older adventure games but when I need to get my co-op fix I would still have to switch back to consoles and again comes the money issue.
Finally, I am 37 and living with my SO which means my gaming time has been cut really short lately. I owned all three consoles last gen (and the one before it) + nice gaming PC and I used to have several hours of gaming time a week, but not any more. To get home and play the kind of games that I enjoy on a PC (Huge-world single player RPGs, time consuming Strategy games, etc) it's just not possible any more. I did play through Fallout 2 on my laptop last week though. So yay!
Anyway, I read the OP and while I understand that it's an open question, I don't feel the whole "you have no excuses to not have a gaming PC" way of thinking is a valid one. There are reasons, some more valid than others I assume, but still reasons.
I think I'll upgrade to a new laptop in about 2 years. Current one is good enough to play Witcher 1 & 2 so it'll last me a while.
I guess one of the reasons why I don't have a *gaming* PC is that I can't really afford having a dedicated rig so that I can set it up with my TV/Sound System, while also having my laptop (which I need) to do the rest of the stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I hook a dedicated PC to the TV then I would have to unplug it if I were to do some work or whatever while The Woman watches Netflix or whatnot. Right?
Also, while I enjoy mostly single player games, I like to do some co-op from time to time and none of my friends are PC gamers (all of them console gamers, there are a few who don't even own a PC/Laptop even), so I guess I could play RPG/Strategy games or some older adventure games but when I need to get my co-op fix I would still have to switch back to consoles and again comes the money issue.
Finally, I am 37 and living with my SO which means my gaming time has been cut really short lately. I owned all three consoles last gen (and the one before it) + nice gaming PC and I used to have several hours of gaming time a week, but not any more. To get home and play the kind of games that I enjoy on a PC (Huge-world single player RPGs, time consuming Strategy games, etc) it's just not possible any more. I did play through Fallout 2 on my laptop last week though. So yay!
Anyway, I read the OP and while I understand that it's an open question, I don't feel the whole "you have no excuses to not have a gaming PC" way of thinking is a valid one. There are reasons, some more valid than others I assume, but still reasons.
I think I'll upgrade to a new laptop in about 2 years. Current one is good enough to play Witcher 1 & 2 so it'll last me a while.
There's far more to maintaining a gaming PC than spending 3 minutes to update your drivers. You've also got to do research every time you do an upgrade, the upgrade time itself, the occasional virus scan to make sure everything's kosher, fiddling with in-game settings to get the performance to visuals ratio you want, etc, etc.
I'm not saying it's a huge amount of time, on the whole, but when I upgraded from my A4 to my A10, I had to reconfigure most of my regular games anew to take advantage of the extra power. Between the research time on finding the best thing to upgrade my PC, swapping out the old processor for the new one, downloading drivers, and reconfiguring all my regular games with settings which could take advantage of the newly available power, it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that I'd spent between three and five hours to fully transition from running on the A4 to running on the A10.
For some people who just want to game, computers can be a huge hassle.
Nabs
Member
So you prefer to be handicapped with controls and FOV as long as everyone is? I play COD on PC because it looks better, runs better, and feels better. Treyarch has a fantastic anti-cheat method that cleans everything up pretty quickly.
I don't.
I have my Surface, which plays smaller (but still mostly full PC) games and I'm just fine on it. I also don't have time to play everything off these Steam sales. Spending money on games I may HOPE to play in the future? No thanks. I'm happy keeping things somewhat minimal.
If I'm going to play AAA titles or multiplats, I'll stick with a console version.
Sentenza
Member
Uhm, no, it usually isn't. And these days it's pretty much an automated process too.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
200-250 frames of input for my mouse plus a 90 hfov feels like competitive shooting bliss.
And the rest of the hassle I mentioned? Because the post I replied to made it sound like updating your drivers was the only hassle involved in PC gaming, which is patently false.
Edit: I should clarify. When I say it's far more than 3 minutes to update your drivers, I mean the hassle takes far more than three minutes because there's more to PC gaming than updating your drivers three times a year. Will update my original post to clarify this as well.
JetJetJaguar
Neo Member
Loved computer games since "day one" of computer games. Always played on computers and thought consoles were "dirty". One day after years of fighting hardware upgrade cycles I picked up a game I was excited about and while waiting in line saw that my not-bad rig couldn't play it. Put game down, walked out of store, stopped upgrading my PC. A few years go bye and I decide to buy my first console. I felt dirty but loved all the great games I could get for close to free as I caught up on the "gen". Years go by where I just love the "It just bloody works, mate" of consoles. Now, years later, I have the itch to get my PC rig up to snuff and have been pawing at the various build sites. I like the community I am seeing on the PC side and I like the modding going on. I expect less pain than before but I do expect some pain.
We shall see.
We shall see.
As others have mentioned, no it doesn't. You should really just stick to "the games (or co-op games in particular) I happen to personally like are console-centric." That is fine, and cannot be argued.
Many people aren't aware of the sheer number of games being released on PC in any given year. The number is enormous; I can say with absolute certainty that more games will be released on PC just this year than will be released during the entire duration of the PS4's lifespan. Now, some of these games could reasonably be described as "bad." Some will have tons of bugs. Still others won't appeal to your personal tastes. And, most importantly of all, almost none of these games will be advertised, which is why a lot of people -- even on a forum such as GAF -- aren't aware of their existence.
But please know that if you want to get in to a straight up list war of PC vs. console games, consoles will lose virtually every single battle. You're much safer sticking to your preferences, because those are fine. If you want co-op games generally, the PC has you covered in spades. If you specifically want Journey, then yes, the PC won't do it for you.
metalhead79
Neo Member
I have a very stout PC (overclocked i5-4670k, R9 290), Steambox for in-home streaming and a wired gigabit connection. Streaming has been a mixed bag for me.
The latest update to in-home streaming caused lots of compression artifacts and dropped me from 1080p60 (mostly 60) to 19-35fps. Very disappointing because I hate gaming at my desk.
I also have a PS4 and an Xbox One. I prefer playing on console. I prefer the user experience. It's just easier. I also work in IT and the last thing I want to do when I get home is fiddle with my PC.
I know that my PC runs circles around my PS4 and Xbox One combined. But I don't care. I still get most multiplats on PS4. PC is for stuff like Divinity: Original Sin and Star Citizen.
If in-home streaming wasn't so spotty it might be a different scenario, but not likely.
The latest update to in-home streaming caused lots of compression artifacts and dropped me from 1080p60 (mostly 60) to 19-35fps. Very disappointing because I hate gaming at my desk.
I also have a PS4 and an Xbox One. I prefer playing on console. I prefer the user experience. It's just easier. I also work in IT and the last thing I want to do when I get home is fiddle with my PC.
I know that my PC runs circles around my PS4 and Xbox One combined. But I don't care. I still get most multiplats on PS4. PC is for stuff like Divinity: Original Sin and Star Citizen.
If in-home streaming wasn't so spotty it might be a different scenario, but not likely.
was always playing some game on pc as far back as i can remember. had a friend build me a pc to play cs in 2000, then finally built my own dedicated rig in 2009. thats when i actually realized the difference. you know that welcometopcgaming.gif? yeah, its like that. bought a wii u last week and enjoying mk8. always planned to pick up a xbone and ps4 sometime down the line. wife said the white destiny ps4 looks good and i took that as a green light to buy one. found out in one of the destiny threads that its 30fps...i had to laugh. looks like ill be waiting a little while longer on getting a ps4.
I just want to step in here and say that a very significant chunk of pro CS players use 720p or even lower. It's easier to get headshots that way.
Why are people even talking about updating drivers?
You dont need to do that! Seriously, its not something You do every few weeks or months. Unless You have just released newest graphic card and want some better driver version, You dont need to update drivers more than once every two years.
You dont need to do that! Seriously, its not something You do every few weeks or months. Unless You have just released newest graphic card and want some better driver version, You dont need to update drivers more than once every two years.
This is flat out wrong.
But, AMD's Raptr, GeForce Experience, and Windows Update all do a pretty damn good job of managing this without you having to think about it.
Palom
Member
My PC resides in the living room. I don't particularly like action games, especially shooters and competitive games. The games that do interest me all lack proper controller support and scalable interfaces. Examples? Diablo 3, Sims 4, Divinity Original Sin, Pillars of Eternity, and Shadowrun Returns, off the top of my head. Even with Big Picture Mode, things like achievement pop-ups and the browser in Steam are too small to be visible at 1080p while playing from the couch. Playing games with a keyboard and mouse on the coffee table is uncomfortable, and controller mapping is usually terrible at best.
On top of that, I have a monitor on the coffee table that I use for doing work with. It boggles my mind how terrible multiple-monitor setups are to manage. I would prefer being able to select the display and audio device to use for each program, but it is not possible. Instead, I had to make my TV the primary display in order for games to launch on it, which sucks when I'm not gaming, but watching TV, and dialog boxes open on the display I'm not using; or having to manually switch back and forth between headphones and HDMI audio (and launching a game only to find out I forgot to switch, having to exit, change audio, then re-launch).
I've been using PCs longer than a lot of people have been alive around here. My first PC was a 286/16MHz, 640KB RAM, 256KB video, and an 80MB partitioned hard drive in 1988. I remember the terrible Street Fighter 2 port, the vast differences in audio from different sound cards, the mushy Gravis gamepads. Console gaming has always been better to me. PC gaming may be good enough for many people, but based on how I play and the types of games I like, it still has a long way to go.
TheGameChanger
Banned
Short Answer: Because I prefer console gaming.
Long answer: Will give if needed.
Long answer: Will give if needed.
Sentenza
Member
Wait, there's more..?
And what about the other side?
Because to me PC gaming typically means LESS "hassle" than console gaming.
I don't have to swap discs, I just double click to execute different stuff at any given moment, I mutlitask easily without changing the platform I'm using, loading times are shorter and i can compulsive-purchase anything at any hour of the day or night.
Of course, I will concede that being immediately comfortable with it probably requires a degree of expertise superior to the one required to use a console... Gladly that's not an issue for me.
Oh, so when you say "hassle" you are referring to all the additional options at your disposal.
How is this wrong? I have upgraded drivers two times since i got this PC.
Just before BF 3 and in Battlefield 4 beta, mostly to check how it affects performance.
Someone mentioned that updating the drivers every few months was the only hassle to PC gaming vs consoles. Clearly this isn't the case, as I replied to above.
TheBanditKing
Member
For me the game line up on PC's is about the same a consoles except for exclusives which always make consoles more appealing to me. Also even with controller support I never like the options available and being able to use a Xbox controller isn't appealing enough (don't like mouse and keyboard at all).
Though the big thing is the UI, Windows is just not stable enough (never has been). I like that my console doesn't need anti-virus on it, or crash because some stupid Windows update just out paced my graphics card driver or the other countless things that I have to deal with on a PC. Botched firmware aside, on a console I buy a game, put it in and play everything is neatly managed and stored on 1 device. I don't have to worry about separate accounts from different services (GFWL, Steam, Ubi-Play ect.). When I play games I like it to be as easy as possible.
Though the big thing is the UI, Windows is just not stable enough (never has been). I like that my console doesn't need anti-virus on it, or crash because some stupid Windows update just out paced my graphics card driver or the other countless things that I have to deal with on a PC. Botched firmware aside, on a console I buy a game, put it in and play everything is neatly managed and stored on 1 device. I don't have to worry about separate accounts from different services (GFWL, Steam, Ubi-Play ect.). When I play games I like it to be as easy as possible.
Because you're missing out on huge improvements if you only do it every once in a while. Perhaps even missing out on fixes to issues with games that are the very thing people are talking about when they bring up the subject of "driver updates".
I've had to do my fair share of swapping around different beta drivers or getting the newest hotfix to play (insert game title).
Just because you don't, doesn't mean that it isn't required.
But like I said, with Raptr and GeForce Experience, that's mostly a thing of the past. Unless you get updated to a driver set that borks a game and have to revert. That's fairly rare though.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Genuine question here but what PC exclusives is it that you are not interested in? Because as has been said, most people who don't follow the PC side of things tend to not know a whole lot of exclusive games because they are rarely covered by mainstream media until the console port is announced. So do you actually know what there is to be found on the PC?
good list.
I'd add as well:
- less tempatation to cheat with cheat engines & hacks, which can ruin a game pretty quickly.
- multiplayer seems to be more fair on console, could just be my imagination though.
I too can watch Netflix and select games to play them instead of having to get up to change discs, and can buy content at all hours of the day. Digital content is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
Any new game you buy, you will likely have to adjust for your own PC's power. Compared to just putting the game in and having it run fine, it is indeed a hassle, as is upgrading PC parts every couple of years and having to do the research to make sure the parts are compatible and that the upgrade you've selected makes sense from a cost/power increase standpoint.
PC gaming is superior, but it comes at the cost of an extra time investment and extra hardware cost.
I'm not saying it's a huge hassle, or that setting up a game takes more than five or ten minutes of fiddling, but it's not as simple as console gaming.
Gipsy Danger
Member
You could just not cheat, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
That's just your imagination. Especially seeing as how PC has some of the most competitive games ever in Dota, LoL and CS:GO. Valve and Riot take cheating very seriously and it's never a problem I've encountered in my 1000 hours of LoL and 1000 hours of Dota.
Nabs
Member
I don't understand any of this. I am seriously have a tough time coming up with a decent reply.
I officially made the jump to Pc when I couldn't bring over my large ps3 library to ps4 which really annoyed me. I figured if I'm going to get into gaming big time, why not choose a platform won't make games your obsolete but make them even better looking in the future.
I started doing my research and came across posts like OP's dispelling all the fears around PC gaming. I jumped in and never looked back. I started my steam collection at around the same time I got a ps4 for Christmas. My ps4 has been collecting dust ever since. Also, I use my ps4 controller for PC games such as resident evil 4 hd and my joystick on fighting games.
I also am nearing 1000 games on Steam thanks to all the sales:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/av2k
Hell, there's even a new sale on humble bundle today that has a ton of AMAZING indie games from 5-10$: https://www.humblebundle.com/
Give it a shot guys!
I started doing my research and came across posts like OP's dispelling all the fears around PC gaming. I jumped in and never looked back. I started my steam collection at around the same time I got a ps4 for Christmas. My ps4 has been collecting dust ever since. Also, I use my ps4 controller for PC games such as resident evil 4 hd and my joystick on fighting games.
I also am nearing 1000 games on Steam thanks to all the sales:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/av2k
Hell, there's even a new sale on humble bundle today that has a ton of AMAZING indie games from 5-10$: https://www.humblebundle.com/
Give it a shot guys!
Cheats are annoying as hell, definitely. I really wish there was less of that on PC.
The MP seems more fair because the glass ceiling is much lower with analog controls. Typically, the games with an insanely high skill ceiling (ignoring fighters of course), aren't available for play on console. Or if they are, they're weird versions, like Tribes: Aerial Assault.
Windom Earle
Member
PC gaming has spoiled me price wise. I just don't want to spend more than 30 bucks on games anymore. That's why I have a PS4 without any games. XD (Got it super cheap, mostly waiting for Bloodborne, GTA and Drive Club).
This is just wrong. Practically every game automatically adjusts the quality to what it estimates your PC can handle.
also, it isn't required to upgrade a PC every couple of years. I think I'm talking to a troll though so who's owned now?
To answer the thread question, I have, and I've had one since like 1996. Before that I was on my parents' PC.
It seems that this thread is just going around and around and around, a regurgitation of the same arguments, pro and con... so lemme add my opinion to this stew.
The reason I own a gaming PC: cost, in the long run. I get more value from my PC than a console. I play a wider selection of games, can do whatever I want on the hardware, and play every game that has ever released for it (and that is excluding emulating other systems). Also, it's a PC. So you know, I can do everything else. I go about four to five years before I either upgrade to a whole new system or just upgrade the GPU.
It seems that this thread is just going around and around and around, a regurgitation of the same arguments, pro and con... so lemme add my opinion to this stew.
The reason I own a gaming PC: cost, in the long run. I get more value from my PC than a console. I play a wider selection of games, can do whatever I want on the hardware, and play every game that has ever released for it (and that is excluding emulating other systems). Also, it's a PC. So you know, I can do everything else. I go about four to five years before I either upgrade to a whole new system or just upgrade the GPU.
Cizeta-Moroder
Banned
Fair enough. I said "the elder scrolls" and it launched Civilization IV BtS. It did work with bunch of other stuff (FTL, Fractured Soul, I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream, Sega mega Drive Classics, Minecraft, Zandronum, Mahjong titans, Fallout 2...)
Exactly, so let people decide whatever they prefer.
Because I don't want to fall into that crowd of PC fundamentalists who proclaim that the PC is the 2nd coming, it's quite creepy what PC gaming does to you, I think spending that much money has made the PC crowd feel inferior when consoles get all the exclusives on the platform while they have to riddle over a DRM infested maze of hardware problems with shoddy performance. No thanks.
Because it isnt required for other cards then completely new and thats even changing.
I'm a PC gamer since 486's. And i'm updating drivers once 1.5-2 years for like 6 years.
It never caused me performance problems or stability problems in games.
In fact when i changed drivers, i hardly saw any improvements at all.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Having the option to cheat is a benefit not a downside. It's stupid that devs have basically dropped them all together. Cheats are the basis for some of my fondest childhood gaming memories.