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[Xtra]

Free? I disagree with many of your points but this one in particular caught my eye. Can you explain how those games are free, don't you pay a subscription fee?

You save enough per year in electricity to pay for the subscription and then some. This is also aside from the fact that you CANNOT build a gaming PC comparible to a PS4 for less than $600.

This is factually wrong, especially if you own a PS4.

Really? TDP of PS4 while gaming is like 190 w... about the same as a mid-range graphics card by itself.

 

[derExperte]

Really? TDP of PS4 while gaming is like 190 w... about the same as a mid-range graphics card by itself.

Check what those cards actually use and not what their maximum is, a mid-range gaming PC will go maybe up to 250W overall under full load. I wanna see the receipts that proof that the electricity bill would even out paying for PS+/XBL when using both equally. Don't get confused by manufacturers wanting to sell bigger and bigger power supplys and the requirements printed on boxes of GPUs/CPUs.

 

[Chariot]

Let's do this.

1) PC gamers act like jehova witnesses

I swear to god the rhetoric is annoying. Just all of the time with just badgering everyone to hop on board. We get it, you like PC gaming, leave me alone about it.

Sure, there are zealous PC gamers who want to push PC in your face and use every opportunity to shit on everything else, but those type of people are everywhere. Be it technology, believes or fandoms. There are console gamers who just love to look down on PC gamer for whatever reason.
And the comparison with Jehoav's witness is a bit wonky, since this is less about believing in a higher power and more about facts that are easier to prove with consoles and PC than with gods.

2) PCs are WAY more expensive to run.

Yep, electricty costs alone are in many cases double a console's. This adds up fairly quickly, and ends up being more expensive than a PS or XBOX with their respective service.

I don't know about that. Could be, I use my PC for more than just gaming, so I can't measure how much gaming influences my electricity bill.
That's a thing too. I buy a PC where I can game, but I can additionally work with it, surf with it, watch videos with it, play my DVDs, manage the content of my Smartphone, listen to music, etc.

3) Ownership

Good luck actually OWNING a PC game, best you get is a license based on good will. LOL.

What a compelling argumentation. You don't 'own' console games either, only the physical disc. There are some games that are bound to accounts with not other legal way to acquire them, true, but so far I didn't lose any game.

4) Cheats

Fairly common on PC, less so on consoles.

There are things like Punkbuster.

5) Ergonomics

Mouse/Keyboard are just horribly uncomfortable. Sure you get higher precision with a mouse for FPS, but my god is it uncomfortable. Seriously, if you are at a desk to game, you are doing it wrong (my opinion, you don't have to agree)

That is subjective. I don't like Controllers or gamepads (yes, I own consoles) and love to play my games with mouse and keyboard. There are even games that would be stupid or at least a bunch of work to play with a controller like RTS or Simulations.

Between 5 and 7) The number between 5 and 7

PC gamers tend to use the number between 5 and 7 and sometimes even three times in a row.

Can't argue with that.

7) Community

PC community is just abusive. Seriously, never heard abuse anywhere near LoL or DotA on any console... ever.

Competitive game communities are always loud no matter where. Look at SteamGAF and see a crowd of nice, respectable people.

8) Exclusives

Yep, console exclusives > PC exclusives since about mid 90s.

Absolutely subjective. Sure, I see a lot of games I would love to play, that just don't come for PC. But on the other hand I would miss a lot of games that exist only on PC like Civilization, Crusader Kings II or Recettear.

9) Consoles are cheaper

Please stop debating this. I can buy year+ old games for under $10, have legal ownership rights over it, and resell it at any time. Oh and I get at LEAST 36 free games per year with PS plus. Add in lower electricity costs and of course the above mentioned consumer rights and it is a no brainer.

I can buy what I want in amazing sales all over the year. And if even that is too expensive, I can buy from Russian traders that can push the price even further.

And tell you what, I bought my PC for around 350 euro, plus 20 euro mouse and keyboard. I get access to hundreds of F2P games without having to pay a fee to use them over the internet and my rig is strong enough to play recent games on high at least, the myth that you have to pay thousands of euros for a good PC is garbage. I can game with my PC, but I can do a bunch of other stuff with it. A PC was always essential for me, since I love the internet and I have to use it for university stuff. So gaming is just the icing on the cake.

I have nothing against consoles, it's nice to have them and you have certain advantages like playing games with your friends in the living room or certain exclusive games, but I can't stand if someone stands on a soap box to preach the inferiority of my beloved companion.

 

[Dmented]

Jeez at all the "but ini settings" people. Last time I've done that is for very very specific settings. Nothing that would keep me from gaming or having an amazing experience.

Guess people like to make things hard for themselves?

 

[Knurek]

Since making the dive into the world of pc gaming last winter, only thing I've had to come to terms with was I was not gonna max out everything under the sun and every game screentearing.

Uhh? VSync much?

 

[KKRT00]

No they usually don't. PC gamers are in every console thread though.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647267
What a pity that mods deleted so many posts from the first two pages.
It had literally dozens of posts like:
'trolled, its not ninento game',
'what is this shit, i was expecting new Xenoblades',
'omg i thought it was about actually good game, You know actual X',
'nice, they even steal names from Nintendo exclusives to get some coverage' etc
It was pathetic beyond believe.

 

[Nordicus]

That looks pretty cool. I'll definitely buy it during the next sales.

It's on sale on Humble Store right now

Just be warned that Cloudbuilt is tough towards the end. In order to play in a way where you feel like you're just zooming through a level, you need to really get the controls in your muscle memory. It's quite precise, but feels so good when you master it.

See this huge diagonal wallrunning section from one of the last stages, that goes so far up it becomes obfuscated? In one go. Don't let the purple mines hit you, don't jump/drop off the wall, manage your boost meter and pick up the needed yellow boost pick-ups on the way up.

You make it to the top, and then if you go replay one of the earlier stages, your record time improves by a massive chunk because you've improved so much. I thought I'd never play a proper 3D platformer on PC, with keyboard no less, but here it is.

 

[Kinthalis]

Uhh? VSync much?

Right? Some of the console gamers here are pretty clueless.

 

[derExperte]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647267
'omg i thought it was about actually good game, You know actual X',

Well, that proved to be kinda true unfortunately. :/

 

[SmokedMeat]

But surely you are interested in buying a gaming device. Why does it have to be a console specifically when they are just small form factor PCs with a much more closed ecosystem? Fair enough if your budget doesn't allow it but most people don't even consider PC a valid option.

Because if someone specifically says they are looking to buy a console, then they want the much simpler option of a console.
You're not comparing apples to apples, PCs are far more involving, and not everyone wants that.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. The next time someone is asking about gaming PC recommmendations, would it be fine to recommend a console, handheld, or phone instead? If we're sincere about people exploring their options that is.

 

[elcuervo75]

I hope my experience convinces someone to play PC games, along with their consoles if they have those too ...

I was really into the NES and SNES.

Then in college I got into PC gaming a bit, but was really turned off by having to configure absolutely everything. This was back in 1995.

Then I quit gaming for a bit until around 1999 when Unreal Tournament came out, and I was PC exclusive, but only for a short time.

Then the original XBox came out, and I decided to stop gaming on PC a couple years after that except for a few games that didn't require a monster rig, like Enemy Territory. Back then games were not so cheap and neither were decent video cards.

Then for the 7 years I had an XBox 360, I vowed to never return to PC gaming and I was serious! All the best PC games were also on the 360, I could find cheaper used games 6+ months old, and the online experience was so enjoyable with Gears and CoD.

But now here we are today. I have no consoles (have my 360 up for sale right now), and only a 5 year old PC that can still run most things on medium settings which still look better than the 360. Every game I have was $10 or less and I only buy the best games out there.

Here is the secret that made me be PC exclusive at this time ... waiting 6 months to a year to get games on Steam sales, GOG, Gamefly digital, Amazon digital, etc. I have never needed to play a game right when it comes out and I cant believe how much money I have saved over buying used console games.

Why did I not be PC exclusive before except for a short couple years? A lot of things have changed since then that make a huge difference. Besides the cheap games, there is Windows Update which is much better these days. Solid state hard drives which make load times sooooo much better. Steam and Origin update all game patches without me thinking about it. XBox controller support, I use a wireless and I love it. The ability to hook up to HDTV with HDMI. And most ports on PC are stable unlike the last couple generations.

So if you are like me and have gotten sick of PC gaming in the past, I hope you consider it again. If you like to try many different games like me, you will save a ton of money and make back any difference in cost in about a year.

I really wanted a PS4, and I will still get one eventually for some games. But with my awesome PC gaming that I have now I can easily wait for the PS4 slim at $300 with a couple games bundled in.

It's nice to have that option! And like someone else on this thread said, I have never had such a backlog of great games until I got back into PC gaming last year.

 

[Durante]

Uhh? VSync much?

The interesting thing for me with that argument is that PC is the only gaming platform where you can absolutely make sure never to encounter any screen tearing.

 

[Camp Freddie]

Honestly it's easier than ever. You should visit this thread which has some of the nicest and most helpful people on GAF. They will happily provide builds for you or help you with any questions you have. And you have a whole bunch of video tutorials for building now or you could get it built at a specialist shop.

The thing about PC gaming is not to worry about having the optimum build.
The simple option is just to buy pretty much any mid-range home/office PC with an i3 or i5 processor, check it has a graphics card (PCIEx16) slot and then stick in a Geforce 750ti, which costs about £100 or $150.
You now have a gaming PC that's about as powerful as an XBone/PS4.

I've never built a PC from scratch. I always use some white-box PC shop to put something together. I usually buy my own graphics card and copy of windows.

I also own consoles too though. I prefer the simplicity of a console for many types of game. My PC is in a spare bedroom, with a desk. The console lets me lounge in front of the TV and play console exclusives. Just buying a PS4 was a lot less hassle that messing about with Steam streaming and big picture modes.

 

[ViolentP]

I could not care less if a person chooses one over the other. Some of the reasons however, are absolutely ridiculous.

 

[mookie_kabuki]

Although I love and respect of gaming , it's really just not for me. I hate trying to keep up with what video card is best or tweeking this or that . With my consoles ( I literally have them all from current and last gen ) I can just pop in a game and play. No muss or fuss with settings. I have a high end laptop for work and play dota2 on it , but the ergonomics just are exhaustive I rather just plop on my game chair and play.

 

[AntiFacebook]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647267

'nice, they even steal names from Nintendo exclusives to get some coverage' etc

That one is especially pathetic,considering the X series has been in existence more than a decade before X was announced.

 

[Atraveller]

Although I love and respect of gaming , it's really just not for me. I hate trying to keep up with what video card is best or twerking this or that.

hmmmm

 

[mookie_kabuki]

hmmmm

Lol. iPhone auto fail.

 

[J'aime Fils-Aime]

Here's my reason why even though I'm sure people will say it isn't valid: time. Sure, people will say they have no problems at all on PCs and that everything works as simply as they do on consoles, but I'm skeptical about such claims. Sure, they might believe them since they spend so much time on PCs, but for people who don't want to dick around with driver issues or troubleshooting, even a half-hour is a fucking hassle.

But I understand why that wouldn't be a problem for some people. Some people like to tinker and build computers. I used to. I was a huge Linux fan and used to tell people how simple it was back in 2000. It was to me because I enjoyed the tinkering. I do not anymore, which is why I have a Mac. All that time I spent setting up and configuring Linux would be a waste of time these days. I have a job and a life. OS X/Consoles may not be as 1337, but I don't care about that shit anymore. I'd rather pay $50 for a game than spend an hour looking for a bargain on the PC version that makes it $30. I make more $20 an hour, so I'm actually losing money doing it the PCpenney way.

And the fact that I have problems with PC games on a vanilla install of Windows with updated drivers is why I don't bother for anything but exclusives like Civilization. Sure, consoles have problems too, but they occur much more rarely.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. The next time someone is asking about gaming PC recommmendations, would it be fine to recommend a console, handheld, or phone instead? If we're sincere about people exploring their options that is.

So you're saying that doesn't happen?

EDIT:

Here's my reason why even though I'm sure people will say it isn't valid: time. Sure, people will say they have no problems at all on PCs and that everything works as simply as they do on consoles, but I'm skeptical about such claims. Sure, they might believe them since they spend so much time on PCs, but for people who don't want to dick around with driver issues or troubleshooting, even a half-hour is a fucking hassle.

So despite you being outright told that for the vast majority of people with the vast majority of titles, the playing a game process is literally as simple as double clicking the game icon, you're going to just continue belieiving that every title requires a half hour of driver installation / ini file tweaking / IRQ setting changes / HIMEM.sys boot disks.

This is what annoys people.

 

[KKRT00]

Well, that proved to be kinda true unfortunately. :/

New 2.5 beta seems to be return to the form though, which is exactly why i bought a game, to played it patched
X series always was a mess at launch, just people forget how mess it was when Rebirth launched

---

those little kids are installing dozens of minecraft mods to build a cathedral of some shit while you're looking up a gameFAQ to solve the one sliding box puzzle in cinecharted raider 2.

Hahaha, didnt notice this post. Amazing as usual

 

[SneakyStephan]

I could ask to you the same question. Why haven't you bought a gaming PC?

* You are missing some of the best games like natural selection 2 , trackmania 2 , sc2, dirty bomb and divinity OS FTFY

* Consoles have bigger communities (except for MOBAs), just look the avg number of CoD players actually console communities die off much faster for mp games, on pc nearly every game worth playing will still have a loyal community ten years after it is released ] Unless you live in opposite world your statement is simply false

* The average skill of console players is lower, this gives you a chance to enjoy online games without having to play 10 hours at day.

that doesn't even need to be true, most console games simply have a much lower skillceiling because gameplay mechanics and the learning curve are limited by analog sticks and a limited amount of buttons, you can see in genres that aren't limited by a controller (racing games with wheels or fighting games) the skillceiling is very high and the players become very skilled. In controller crippled games designed for laggy lcd tvs and low unresponsive framerates you have less room to grow, the learning curve (and the fun a good learning curve provides) ends earlier. You are spinning one of the biggest downsides into a positive... quite an achievement... A server browser or even matchmaking in a game like dota ensures you get to play with people around your own skill level on pc, it's a non issue if you spend 30 seconds one time in your life to understand how a server browser works

* No mods, no better devices advantage against other people. (like expensive mouses and keyboards with macros for example, i used to abuse macros in one MMORPG)

Again spinning what are two huge benifits to gaming on pc into a negative, that is quite amazing... mods are awesome, they add years on the lifespan of games and make for thriving and long lasting communities.
Btw most of the mechanics and game modes you enjoy in your console games were invented in the form of a mod on pc a decade earlier (almost every single game mode and aspect of halo for example)
Mods fucking rule

* You can actually invite OTHER people to play with you. Or go to a friends house and play the same game in the same way you play it in your house.
My fondest gaming memories are of playing cs and red alert2 on LAN at my best friend's house as a teenager.
Splitscreen vs LAN (though more and more pc games start to support splitscreen)
I like splitscreen as much as the next guy btw.

* Little kids can use it easily
ghst already mocked this argument for me

* YOU CAN SAVE MONEY! and save some for your kids education, vacations, medical emergences or upgrade your Vespa into a Car.

PC gaming is cheaper unless you literally only gamefly your games (at which point you don't own them anymore either do you?), the more games you buy the cheaper it becomes relative to console gaming. PC games are cheaper, they are even cheaper if you take into account selling every game you buy.
Your little 'if you have a life and need money outside of games condescending argument , is pretty silly since that would be a reason to pick a pc not a console
If you are an enthusiast or hardcore gamer pc gaming is far cheaper, if you are someone who plays enough games to read neogaf it is cheaper, if you are the kind of day one preoder consumerist it is cheaper , if you tend to wait for sales it is cheaper, if you sell every game you buy to go get some credit, you end your generation with a console and one game... so good job there

I understand why PC gamers love PCs. But I do not like the campaign they do to try to convert people. Just play the games you love without disturbing others.
The only campaign is that of misinformation about the pc platform by people who have no experience with it
PC only gamers don't go into console threads to tell you that the ps4 is a bad idea because it will rrod, that the xbox one costs 1000+ dollars, that all ps3 games are a mess , pointing at skyrim and new vegas to prove their point. If they did they'd get (rightfully) banned .

those little kids are installing dozens of minecraft mods to build a cathedral of some shit while you're looking up a gameFAQ to solve the one sliding box puzzle in cinecharted raider 2.

^^

And I hear over and over again

'What happens if your hd dies'?

'Well I have all my drm free games backed up on disc so I'll be fine'.

.......

What?
You download them again?...
I replaced my hdd 6 months ago and just downloaded all my games again...

No they usually don't. PC gamers are in every console thread though.

Not a single hardware thread goes by without 'how does this compare to ps4 gpu' or 'this is why I game on consoles' trolls
Pc exclusive game threads are free of console only gamers that is true, that's kind of what people have been saying in this thread, many people are completely unaware of the pc library.
In a large part because their awareness of the console library only exists due to the massive marketing campaigns for all the games on it, which (thank fucking god) does not exist on pc except for a few big ones like world of warcraft.
dota is about ten years old and only now are console only gamers starting to figure out it exists...

Krisprolls would you like to tell me what you know about natural selection 2, dirty bomb, trackmania (2), planetary annihilation, strike vector or the upcoming pillars of eternity? I might as well be speaking gibberish right now, right? With these names that ring hollow

 

[Gipsy Danger]

I have a job and a life. OS X/Consoles may not be as 1337, but I don't care about that shit anymore. I'd rather pay $50 for a game than spend an hour looking for a bargain on the PC version that makes it $30. I make more $20 an hour, so I'm actually losing money doing it the PCpenney way.

So I don't have a job and a life? At least I get to be super 1337!

Also, an hour? What? You could go on humblebundle, bundlestars, greenmangaming, nuuvem or any number of sites and find a bargain. Or you could download Enhanced Steam within 2 minutes and the Steam store will tell you where you can find a game cheapest, whether it's been bundled before or even what the lowest recorded price was. Please stop making things up.

 

[Koren]

I would feel sorry for you, but it seems you are the architect of your own misery.

That sounds a bit harsh, but actually there's no misery in this... ^_^

I don't feel I'm missing much by playing most of the time on console, except for indies. He was asking for reasons some people here don't play on PC, I just stated mines: gaming isn't yet linux friendly and I don't want to switch on Windows for gaming, and I prefer my games physical or at the very least DRM-free...

Besides, I'm a mostly japan-centric gamer, and games like Touhou don't really require a windows gaming PC, so I still get those.

 

[AdventureRacing]

I'll throw in my 2 cents:

1) PC gamers act like jehova witnesses

I swear to god the rhetoric is annoying. Just all of the time with just badgering everyone to hop on board. We get it, you like PC gaming, leave me alone about it.

I see tons of people complain about it but very little of it actually happening. This really is a case of people seeing what they want to see. You don't really see this on GAF, you don't see it in online games and frankly i don't think anyone in this thread has really shown where this attitude is actually prevalent.

Meanwhile i can show you heaps of examples of console gamers doing exactly what you hate including on this very forum. Like everyone else that posts this though amazingly you never encounter this.

2) PCs are WAY more expensive to run.

Yep, electricty costs alone are in many cases double a console's. This adds up fairly quickly, and ends up being more expensive than a PS or XBOX with their respective service.

This right here immediately shows how biased you are. PS4 and xbone both use a lot of power, certainly comparable to most PC's. It's interesting though how you use this completely incorrect statement as a basis to play on PS or xbox and not on nintendos consoles which actually do use less power. Though i'm pretty sure we all know the reason behind that and it's an irony that's all to common in threads like these.

3) Ownership

Good luck actually OWNING a PC game, best you get is a license based on good will. LOL.

So far as i can tell services like steam have been around for a long time and there are no signs of it going away in the near future. There are measures in place in case that happens anyway. The games i buy digitally will be working long after your physical ones have tossed it in (or your console for that matter).

At least on PC i have full backwards compatibility and can go back and play these old games instead of them becoming obsolete as soon as a new console releases. Not to mention i can still play online games from as far back as the 90s. Games like diablo still have servers running. Meanwhile games as recent as the PS3/360 have already been shut down.

4) Cheats

Fairly common on PC, less so on consoles.

Much like on consoles this completely depends on the game and the community. This isn't exclusive to either.

7) Community

PC community is just abusive. Seriously, never heard abuse anywhere near LoL or DotA on any console... ever.

This just isn't true at all. If anything games like COD are renowned for having the worst communities. At least on PC it's much easier to find groups of players to play with and potentially even play on custom servers depending on the game. Highly competitive games will always have some bad apples.

This is one of the go to points for people who don't actually play on PC at all. It's amazing how people who don't game on PC nor have any intention to are so familiar with what happens in these online PC only games.

9) Consoles are cheaper

Please stop debating this. I can buy year+ old games for under $10, have legal ownership rights over it, and resell it at any time. Oh and I get at LEAST 36 free games per year with PS plus. Add in lower electricity costs and of course the above mentioned consumer rights and it is a no brainer.

I disagree that console gaming is all that much cheaper. Maybe you could argue that buying a single console is cheaper assuming you're extremely stringent with how you buy games (like you mentioned only buying old games) but for the majority of GAF this isn't the case.

The fact that you need to list games you get off PS plus as free is pretty telling btw. This is a service that makes you pay a yearly fee to play online, this isn't free at all. Meanwhile on the PC many of the best games are actually free and we don't have to pay an annual fee to be able to play them.

As i said earlier. It's interesting how as soon as the PC is brought up all of a sudden everyone is so incredibly casual in their gaming habits (which is in stark contrast to everything else you read on here). Also everyone suddenly is strapped for cash and can only afford one console, only buys old used games and doesn't have a monitor or PC that they use already. Of course they're not broke enough to have to cheap out and buy a wii U. The PS4/xbone fit their price range exactly.

 

[derExperte]

New 2.5 beta seems to be return to the form though, which is exactly why i bought a game, to played it patched
X series always was a mess at launch, just people forget how mess it was when Rebirth launched

Nice to know they didn't give up, I've stayed away but when that patch hits I'll make sure to take a closer look.

The fact that you need to list games you get off PS plus as free is pretty telling btw.

Those 36 games are also not happening if you're only on PS4, I might have missed something but it's been two games per month so far. Which isn't bad or anything, just saying.

 

[Yudoken]

The interesting thing for me with that argument is that PC is the only gaming platform where you can absolutely make sure never to encounter any screen tearing.

This.
Nvidia and AMD are also working on a non V-Sync tearing fix solution.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Those 36 games are also not happening if you're only on PS4, I might have missed something but it's been two games per month so far. Which isn't bad or anything, just saying.

It also doesn't seem like something that should appeal to people complaining about not actually owning digital games.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

This.
Nvidia and AMD are also working on a non V-Sync tearing fix solution.

Nvidia's is already available. Although the pricing may not be quite where it needs to be for some people.

It also doesn't seem like something that should appeal to people complaining about not actually owning digital games.

Especially since you lose them all if your sub lapses for too long.

 

[derExperte]

Especially since you lose them all if your sub lapses for too long.

I don't think that happens, afair there was one case where something went wrong and he lost everything but it shouldn't.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

I don't think that happens, afair there was one case where something went wrong and he lost everything but it shouldn't.

My mistake. I thought if you didn't have it for 3 months then you lost everything. That's good then since I imagine I will cancel my PS+ at some point and I'm glad to know I won't lose everything if I resub.

 

[derExperte]

My mistake. I thought if you didn't have it for 3 months then you lost everything. That's good then since I imagine I will cancel my PS+ at some point and I'm glad to know I won't lose everything if I resub.

There definitely isn't a three month limit, the games will remain in your account. But I'm googling now and it appears that your cloud saves could get deleted after a few months (some say 6m, some say one year) even though the official FAQ (http://community.us.playstation.com...-Questions/PlayStation-Plus-FAQ/td-p/37512373) doesn't mention any time limits. You could ask in the PSN thread to be sure, someone there will know.

 

[spirity]

You save enough per year in electricity to pay for the subscription and then some. This is also aside from the fact that you CANNOT build a gaming PC comparible to a PS4 for less than $600.

The bolded is all I needed to hear. The rest of it is deflection.

Thanks.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

Here's an example of what I mean when I say people don't take the platform into consideration. On GameInformer's website they have a feature on their website for each respective platforms upcoming games just like this one. These include multiplats as well as exclusive games but they have no such thing for PC. Even though they have a dedicated PC Editor in Dan Tack, there is nothing. I'm not sure why they would leave out the PC when it comes to this but it's a pretty glaring oversight to me.

 

[Nzyme32]

those little kids are installing dozens of minecraft mods to build a cathedral of some shit while you're looking up a gameFAQ to solve the one sliding box puzzle in cinecharted raider 2.

That is a bizarrely well made point

 

[Knurek]

you're going to just continue belieiving that every title requires a half hour of driver installation / ini file tweaking / IRQ setting changes / HIMEM.sys boot disks.

Damn, I actually miss those...
lh mouse.com 4ever

 

[ViviOggi]

those little kids are installing dozens of minecraft mods to build a cathedral of some shit while you're looking up a gameFAQ to solve the one sliding box puzzle in cinecharted raider 2.

It's funny because it's true

 

[SkeptiMism]

As one more thing to say to the console gamers here are saying PC gamers are like Jehova's witnesses and console gamers don't do that to PC gamers, please keep in mind that if you're a console gamer and you only frequent console game threads, then you see what is happening in those threads. Yes, there are some PC gamers there generally (partly because a lot of PC gamers have a console or consoles too - not to deny there aren't any PC only gamers too though), but if you frequent only console game threads then you're living in a bubble in which you see only the issues on your side.

There are, however, plenty of console only gamers in PC threads too.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You save enough per year in electricity to pay for the subscription and then some. This is also aside from the fact that you CANNOT build a gaming PC comparible to a PS4 for less than $600.




Really? TDP of PS4 while gaming is like 190 w... about the same as a mid-range graphics card by itself.

You can just buy an i3 and a 750ti and still beat ps4 performance while using less power, not more.
If you're saying vastly much more powerful hardware uses more electricity, no shit...


And if you want midrange hardware and not low end console equivalent stuff:
In a few weeks nvidia maxwell is out and their midrange card (gtx 970) only has a tdp of 150watts while being about 3x more powerful than what's in the ps4
So then you'll be able to build a haswell i5 and with gtx 970 (which is most likely set to be a massive performance/dollar dissapointment by pc standards , but we're comparing to consoles here ) and stay well under 200watt power total system power consumption while gaming.

So then you can have your performance cake and eat it too power consumption wise.

 

[UnObtainium17]

Just finished school, now i got a bit of expendable income and im currently building one. Ridiculous how expensive rams are now. I remember thise things only being $20 like a decade ago(last time pc was my go to platform). But evrything else seems cheaper. I can get a graphics card that can run most current games at 1080p max settings 60fps under 250$.

 

[jetjevons]

I'll throw in another key reason for me.

Even if some AAA blockbuster console games eventually find their way to PC (Destiny, GTAV, Read Dead Redemption, the list is endless ) the fact is, to me, it's like waiting for the DVD or HBO release of a movie that I want to see in theaters. And that's IF the PC port is competent.

A huge part of the fun of these games (for me) is being there day 1. Playing, collaborating, discussing and enjoying the meta aspect of the experience with the community; everyone progressing relatively simultaneously while the content is still fresh. Particularly with games that focus on any sort of competitive or co-operative multiplayer element.

Delayed (or afterthought) PC ports are like being consistently LTTP.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

I'll throw in another key reason for me.

Even if some AAA blockbuster console games eventually find their way to PC (Destiny, GTAV, Read Dead Redemption, the list is endless )

That endless list of yours seems to have already covered the only notable multiplatforms not realeased on Pc in a timely manner.

 

[impact]

You can just buy an i3 and a 750ti and still beat ps4 performance while using less power, not more.

I'd really like to see this i3 and 750ti run Metro LL at 1080p/60fps

Hint: it ain't happening

 

[Dictator93]

I'd really like to see this i3 and 750ti run Metro LL at 1080p/60fps

Hint: it ain't happening

@ no tessellation, High Grahpics, and no motionblur?

I would like to see that too.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

The interesting thing for me with that argument is that PC is the only gaming platform where you can absolutely make sure never to encounter any screen tearing.

If you don't have a great PC Vsync can take it's toll on performance. There are games I have to take the tear because if I don't and Vsync I lose much more quality. I realise all you folk probably have much better cards, but it's not like this technique is without cost. Sure you can make sure any game doesn't do it, but if you have to sacrifice something else to do that, or take a performance hit then it's not some magic wand either.

 

[Foxyone]

I'd really like to see this i3 and 750ti run Metro LL at 1080p/60fps

Hint: it ain't happening

It would have to be capable of actually being able to set the quality of individual graphics settings first, rather than just having presets. Somewhere in between medium and high. It's too bad that most videos are only at very high settings though, giving the impression that the game runs worse.

 

[J'aime Fils-Aime]

So you're saying that doesn't happen?

EDIT:


So despite you being outright told that for the vast majority of people with the vast majority of titles, the playing a game process is literally as simple as double clicking the game icon, you're going to just continue belieiving that every title requires a half hour of driver installation / ini file tweaking / IRQ setting changes / HIMEM.sys boot disks.

This is what annoys people.

Just because you guys say most PC gamers have no problems and it's SO EASY doesn't make it true. Fun fact: Go on a Linux forum, and they will say how Linux is SO EASY and how Windows crashes every five minutes. Go in a Windows site, same thing but reversed. And you're exaggerating on my claim and on reality: I never said every title needs to be tweaked like that, but fun fact, I've had to do a lot more tweaking and troubleshooting for PC games than I've had to do for console games. I've had problems with consoles too, but not as much.

The problem is that some PC gamers are taking it personally. Despite what those Microsoft commercials said, you are not PCs. People not being interested in PC gaming for whatever reason isn't an insult. It's okay not to be interested in something even if you disagree with the reasons. Yes, PC gaming is a bigger hassle than console gaming, and while some enjoy tinkering, some don't. The less time I spend in Windows, the better. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Tain]

If you don't have a great PC Vsync can take it's toll on performance. There are games I have to take the tear because if I don't and Vsync I lose much more quality. I realise all you folk probably have much better cards, but it's not like this technique is without cost. Sure you can make sure any game doesn't do it, but if you have to sacrifice something else to do that, or take a performance hit then it's not some magic wand either.

Sure, vsync causes frames to be doubled and tripled and all that under heavy load, but Durante might also be referring to the fact that PC is the only platform where you can use gsync, which essentially solves all display synchronization problems straight-up.

 

[Nethaniah]

If you don't have a great PC Vsync can take it's toll on performance. There are games I have to take the tear because if I don't and Vsync I lose much more quality. I realise all you folk probably have much better cards, but it's not like this technique is without cost. Sure you can make sure any game doesn't do it, but if you have to sacrifice something else to do that, or take a performance hit then it's not some magic wand either.

Is this even an issue with triple buffering?

 

[SneakyStephan]

I'd really like to see this i3 and 750ti run Metro LL at 1080p/60fps

Hint: it ain't happening

It's not happening on ps4 either, they had to lower the settings .
Nothing stops you from doing the same on pc