How you could believe this after the technically abysmal PS360 generation with all its sub-720p, 15-30 fps games with no AA/AF but rampant tearing is beyond me.
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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Alrighty, so... I don't feel like digging up and replying to everyone individually so I will just address the responses in general.
To the $600 comment. GFX card, MB, Processor, Ram, HDD, Case, Controller (lets be honest here, you want to use a wireless controller with maximum compatibility you HAVE to use a microsoft controller), cables, Fans, Windows. Buy all of this stuff for $400? Yeah right.
TDP: I'll admit I was wrong on this one provided you use hardware that is 18 months newer than the PS4, that is also more expensive.
On the 36+ free games. Over the last year there has been 12+ AAA games that are free, thats not really comparible to FtP shovelware.
As to the ease of building a PC. If you can't understand how many people wouldn't want to/couldn't then you are not being rational. For example: replacing the main circuit breaker panel in your house is easier/requires less knowledge than building a PC, so does changing the brakes on your car, or 95% of plumbing work. No, a PC is not in any way, shape, or form as easy or worry free as a console.
In the end, it really is quite simply a preference. Here is the rub though, this thread ask us why we do not want to use PC. Then when we give our responses we get attacked constantly by PC zealots. I am not sure how you don't see this as a huge turn-off to people. Oh and using the excuse "well console gamers do it too" is not a valid reason to attack others.
Listen I have been gaming on a PC since long before most of you (not all) going back to the original hero's quest, wing commander, wolfenstien 3d, scorched earth and what have you. I know how far computers have come. They are still MUCH less user friendly than consoles are and it is a necessary evil for the versatility you get.
To the $600 comment. GFX card, MB, Processor, Ram, HDD, Case, Controller (lets be honest here, you want to use a wireless controller with maximum compatibility you HAVE to use a microsoft controller), cables, Fans, Windows. Buy all of this stuff for $400? Yeah right.
TDP: I'll admit I was wrong on this one provided you use hardware that is 18 months newer than the PS4, that is also more expensive.
On the 36+ free games. Over the last year there has been 12+ AAA games that are free, thats not really comparible to FtP shovelware.
As to the ease of building a PC. If you can't understand how many people wouldn't want to/couldn't then you are not being rational. For example: replacing the main circuit breaker panel in your house is easier/requires less knowledge than building a PC, so does changing the brakes on your car, or 95% of plumbing work. No, a PC is not in any way, shape, or form as easy or worry free as a console.
In the end, it really is quite simply a preference. Here is the rub though, this thread ask us why we do not want to use PC. Then when we give our responses we get attacked constantly by PC zealots. I am not sure how you don't see this as a huge turn-off to people. Oh and using the excuse "well console gamers do it too" is not a valid reason to attack others.
Listen I have been gaming on a PC since long before most of you (not all) going back to the original hero's quest, wing commander, wolfenstien 3d, scorched earth and what have you. I know how far computers have come. They are still MUCH less user friendly than consoles are and it is a necessary evil for the versatility you get.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Good point actually. I don't think many people realise that 50" plasma that is (rightfully) the pride of their living room consumes well over 100wattsOf course if you have it hooked up to a 50"+ Plasma TV (costing ~$7/month), you probably need to rethink your priorities again.
Compared to a little 24" led backlit lcd monitor using about 18-20watts.
(seriously don't leave your tv on all day people it'll add up to a lot of money over the years)
And there is the zealots thing againAlrighty, so... I don't feel like digging up and replying to everyone individually so I will just address the responses in general.
To the $600 comment. GFX card, MB, Processor, Ram, HDD, Case, Controller (lets be honest here, you want to use a wireless controller with maximum compatibility you HAVE to use a microsoft controller), cables, Fans, Windows. Buy all of this stuff for $400? Yeah right.
yep, ~450 dollars gets you all that (don't forget anti static bracelets and cable ties, for people who get that reference)
Again though, it really doesn't have to, most of the savings from owning a pc come from the prices of games and from sales
You can build a 700 dollar midrange build and still save a good amount of money over time, hell if you buy a good amount of games you can go for a high end build, upgrade the cpu, gpu and motherboard later on and still spend less over the generation,
TDP: I'll admit I was wrong on this one provided you use hardware that is 18 months newer than the PS4, that is also more expensive.
so it doesn't count? We have to pretend time stood still? This thread is about why people don't want to buy a pc right? So I assume you would buy one tomorrow not 3 years ago, btw evenold currently midrange hardware (like the ps4 hardware which is also 3 years old ) will not cost you anywhere near 50 bucks in electricity a year.
On the 36+ free games. Over the last year there has been 12+ AAA games that are free, thats not really comparible to FtP shovelware.
right, dota2 is f2p shovelware, humble bundles consist of just shovelware (you'd think with ps4 and vita ps+ games being nothing but indie stuff people would change their mind about that)
As to the ease of building a PC. If you can't understand how many people wouldn't want to/couldn't then you are not being rational. For example: replacing the main circuit breaker panel in your house is easier/requires less knowledge than building a PC, so does changing the brakes on your car, or 95% of plumbing work. No, a PC is not in any way, shape, or form as easy or worry free as a console.
The intimidation factor of building a new pc for the first time is fully understandable, who wouldn't be afraid it's human nature to be unsure of something you never tried before and there's a lot of components with intimidating names and people are terrified that they'll break something thinking a ram stick is delicate as glass. But the need a new pc thread on gaf is full of first time builders who post that it was way less scary and way less hard than they imagined, and they only attempted a build thanks to being encouraged by people with experience.
And once again, you don't HAVE to build it yourself, pay your pc store (30-50 bucks) and they'll do it for you, the option is there if you want it.
In the end, it really is quite simply a preference. Here is the rub though, this thread ask us why we do not want to use PC. Then when we give our responses we get attacked constantly by PC zealots. I am not sure how you don't see this as a huge turn-off to people. Oh and using the excuse "well console gamers do it too" is not a valid reason to attack others.
Listen I have been gaming on a PC since long before most of you (not all) going back to the original hero's quest, wing commander, wolfenstien 3d, scorched earth and what have you. I know how far computers have come. They are still MUCH less user friendly than consoles are and it is a necessary evil for the versatility you get.
At least you're right about one thing, the versatility ad features are more than worth some extra effort (and make it worth getting past the intimidation factor of building a pc or picking parts)
To be fair I said "zealous" not "zealots". There's a difference.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
Yeah - I have a 2011 Sandy Bridge 15' MBP and Civ 5 runs great. I'm able to run it at full res with low-medium settings. That's pretty much the only game I've played on it though.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
If your idea of "shovelware" is titles like Left 4 Dead, Portal, Battlefield 3, Dead Space, Alan Wakes American Nightmare, or Torchlight (all have been given away free on PC) or permanently free titles like Trackmania, Path of Exile, TF2, Alien Swarm, DOTA 2, Planetside 2 or The Old Republic, then you are some choosy motherfucker.
To be fair, you're arguing with someone who thinks paying > $0 = free.
inpHilltr8r
Member
You'd have to pay me double to use Linux on the desktop. That shit lives in server land. On the other hand, my laptop is a top of the line MBP, and I Iove the fact that it's a Unix box at heart. I do occasionally play games on it (FTL was the last one I think), but mostly it's for messing around with A/V projects.
I do keep an open eye on the PC scene, and if I did find something really compelling and utterly exclusive there, I could spend an afternoon adding a windows partition to the laptop. But that's been a possibility for ages, and it hasn't happened yet. Most of the things I'm interested in eventually make their way to a platform I actually enjoy using.
1. Did you really need to call him a "motherfucker"?
2. I think you're in the wrong thread. This thread is about GAF members explaining why they haven't bought a PC for gaming. Not why they're wrong and dumb not to have bought a PC for gaming.
3. Trying to refute everyones reasons or explanations in this manner isn't going to make you more satisfied with your PC ownership OR convince anyone to buy a PC. Especially when you're calling them "motherfuckers"
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I have literally zero problems with anyones personal preferences.
I have huge problems with people passing off lies and disinformation as facts.
You know, like you did.
Still waiting on that list.
EDIT:
and to clarify, I am using mofo idiomatically, not as an insult; if Xtra takes it as a personal insult I apologise.
family_guy
Member
This is true but on the other hand you have hardware that was supported for 7+ years. If you bought a graphics card 7 years ago could it even run games that come out for PS3/360 today?
Yeah it'd run those games no problem at all at console settings.
Mango Positive
Member
I don't know. I'd rather build a PC than change my brakes any day of the week. I do both regularly. Brakes are a pain in the ass. You're hands get dirty, you sweat your ass off in the garage, and you can't be sure wether it's front or rear brakes until you take the tires off. Fortunately, I can use my wife's car to go get the proper brakes.
A PC has an element of excitement to it. Is it going to work? How much faster is it going to be? Is a solid state drive really worth the hype? There's a lot of frustration to it as well, but it's still something that, when completed, will make you proud to possess a skill that frightens a good deal of the population. Complex tasks can be good for your mind.
I game on consoles too though, so I get it. You don't have to defend your choices with me. I prefer PC mostly because: A) I have disposable income and I don't play golf or ride a Harley and B) I get to play video games whithout my wife saying "I want to watch Outlander" or some other such drivel.
Hero's Quest... I started with Kings Quest 1. (Sticks tongue out, put thumbs in ears, palms forward, fingers outstretched, waves them alternatingly back and forth, and blows, making farty noises)
Actually yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuo6LvfJmKs
Tomb Raider benchmark with a GT 8800 (from 2007, based on a 2006 GPU) getting 30 FPS at 1080p medium settings.
Unfortunately, it's the case that it can be difficult to determine what settings are equivalent to the console ones, (they might even be in-between other setting presets), and even in video benchmarks you might see, a lot of them tend to use recording programs that eat up some of the FPS. It doesn't help either that cards from that time are so old that few people use them any more, let alone take the time to do a benchmark or video.
inpHilltr8r
Member
I bought a second set of consoles for similar reasons.
Ooh. You're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
Challenge accepted!
What is we said? Past 7 years? I'm going to take the liberty of including late or universally accepted shit PC ports.
How many do you need to accept my point btw?
If I add Import games it's going to take me a while.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Your statement that I have a problem with:
and its implication that AAA blockbuster multiplatforms are routinely either super late or absent on the PC.
You made the comparison with cinema to dvd, so 3 months or more late.
I freely admit adding eastern developed games expands that list beyond 3 notable titles.
You probably do want to pad that western developed list though, so fine, throw in Saints Row 2 and GTA4.
I'd be surprised if you reach 10 independent titles (ie not 7 years of madden and nhl), and astounded if you make it to 20.
We can then divide that by the number of years in question (7) and determine how common late or absent PC ports are.
I'll safely assume you haven't been PC gaming at all if you think fans and cables sufficient enough for the case, are not included with said case
User 479360
Banned
I'd like to have one, but I don't like the idea of having to upgrade, or deal with all of the technical stuff. I know that, if I buy a console, I will have something that can play every game released for it.
I also much prefer gaming while on a couch, or on my bed, using a controller. Mouse and keyboard is overrated to me.
Almost all of the games I want to play are on consoles, so I don't feel like I'm missing much. I may buy one one day, but not anytime soon I don't think. Console reviews keep me plenty busy.
I also much prefer gaming while on a couch, or on my bed, using a controller. Mouse and keyboard is overrated to me.
Almost all of the games I want to play are on consoles, so I don't feel like I'm missing much. I may buy one one day, but not anytime soon I don't think. Console reviews keep me plenty busy.
Walking my dog right now but we can start with a quote from this very thread from someone trying to refute my point.
How many to go to 10?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
2 more, without even quibbling Saints Row 2 or From Dust as AAA blockbusters or those 5 games being bad ports in the sense of being unplayable rather than missing desirable PC features.
Bad analogy: if you screw up assembling the PC, it'll at worst set you back a couple hundred dollar. If you screw up the brakes on your car you can kill someone. I'd never change the brakes on my car (I also don't have any interest in doing that...) but I did built a PC. But of course, that doesn't make it worry free, and if someone isn't interested in computers (like I'm not interested in cars), that's fair enough.
When was the last time you used Linux on a desktop, and which distro did you use?
FreeBSD/NeXTSTEP if I recall correctly, but close enough, UNIX-based at some point. But I find it impressive that you can at the same time say you love Mac OS because of the underlying UNIX, and call Linux 'shit', when this is where they have the most in common.
AdventureRacing
Member
Another go to argument that his been rended moot. PC gaming isn't some niche market desperate for converters. The biggest games in the world are now on PC not consoles. If anything with the demise of nintendo i wouldn't be surprised if the PC market is bigger than the entirety of the home console market.
I don't doubt that there is a large contingent of people who don't like PC gaming but it's not the majority.
I can't for the life of me find out what my power supplies wattage is. I wanna see if I can upgrade my card. I've looked all over the sticker on the bottom of the external power supply and found nothing that looks like a wattage. Furthermore I can't even find my computers specific model online anywhere except Walmart, and it doesn't say there.
It's an Alienware AX51R2-2862BK w/ a GeForce GTX 645. Everywhere I've read has said the X51's are 330 Watts... but now I'm finding models more similar to mine which are apparently only 240 Watts.
It's an Alienware AX51R2-2862BK w/ a GeForce GTX 645. Everywhere I've read has said the X51's are 330 Watts... but now I'm finding models more similar to mine which are apparently only 240 Watts.
derExperte
Member
- My GTX660 is almost two years old, my 2500K 3,5, they don't use more than my PS4. Energy efficient hardware has been available for a while now.
- Yes, for PS3. There won't be nearly that many for PS4 this year and very few AAA. And I won't even touch that shovelware comment.
Still walking my dog but with some iPhone research I offer you these (re. shit PC ports upon release):
Bionic Commando (2009)
Need for Speed: The Run
Bully
Dark Souls
Borderlands
Resident Evil 4
Enslaved
Kane & Lynch
Dark Siders 2
Deadly Premonition (not AAA but cool)
Assassin's Creed 1 & 2
Binary Domain (also not AAA)
Mirror's Edge
Dictator93
Member
They were shit for pc standards but were al, even in the worst sate, better than the console originals.
What exactly was wrong with Mirror's Edge? I could play it just fine on my 8600 GT and Athlon x2 7750 @ 2.7 ghz back on release. Easily-disabled PhysX features that defaulted to "on" doesn't seem that bad. It was only 2 months late as well.
derExperte
Member
What was wrong with Mirror's Edge (heh, beaten)? I played that right around release, no issues. Same with some of the others, Binary Domain was great, they even patched in a FOV slider after a few days. Only Deadly Premonition was REAAALLY bad and I'd say worse than the console versions due to crashes and new glitches.
Try their livechat and ask Alienware/Dell directly, it's probably the fastest way.
Try their livechat and ask Alienware/Dell directly, it's probably the fastest way.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I listed the ones I could think of..., I didn't type etcetera because those were it.
I'm sure there's 1 or 2 more.
saint's row 2 dates all the way back to 2008 btw, I had to go pretty far back to make my list.
You drag my quote into this argument then ignore that I said right under it that for each of those there is an equally shitty console version of a multiplatform game with terrible framedrops or tearing that runs great on pc.
-Skyrim which is simply broken and not playable past a certain point due to the save game getting too big
-new vegas
-dark souls (blight town yo enjoy 10 fps)
- crysis 3 (consistently runs at 10-25 fps, even digital shillery called it shockingly bad performance
- silent hill hd collection (http://www.destructoid.com/silent-hill-hd-collection-is-much-worse-than-we-thought-234423.phtml) watch this video to have someone who knows the series deconstruct the ports and tell you why they're one of the worst ports ever, in great and very entertaining detail
Since you dragged me into this again, I'm going to have a go at this post too;
By lttp shitty ports that you either get a year or more late, are an aftertought or don't get post launch support or are inferior butchered version.
Do you perhaps mean:
-Team fortress 2: never got the patches or content updates from the pc version, console versions were a complete afterthought
-witcher 2 : witcher 3 is one of the biggest hyped AAA games atm, you didn't get witcher 2 until more than a year after it was out on pc
-minecraft, 2 years late without mod support and the map size is heavily reduced from the pc version
-world of tanks: one of the biggest most popular games on pc, literally tens of millions of people play it on pc, consoles got it 2 years late and it doesn't really get updated. The game is more than 2 years behind in patches compared to the pc version, it is missing all the tanks that were added after the pc beta ages ago (no french, no japanese, no chinese tanks, nothing) as well as the replay function and a bunch of maps.
The penultimate throwaway afterthought port
-crysis: a neutered version with levels taken out and atrocious performance, a big graphical downgrade and it obviously had no mod support. The game didn't even ship with the multiplayer mode that the pc version launched with back in 2007... call about a LTTP release
-planetside 2 : no wait that has been infinitely delayed, been out on pc for ages, they hyped up the ps4 version a lot though!
-dragon age origins: a heavily butchered version of the pc game with the tactical view simply taken out of it, a shell of the original and ran like shit.
Considering my wiiu gamepad doesn't work even two rooms away but remote play on my vita works an hour away at workgym its no contest.
Like I said unless I'm playing an insanely fast game like burnout or a competitive shooter I barely notice any lag on remote play even on shitty gym internet.
When the choice is some crappy phone game or assassins creed while banging out 15 miles on the bike a tiny bit laggy remote play wins by such a wide margin its worth the trade off for me at home.
Can shield do it over WiFi or only same network? If it does WiFi I'll definitely consider one when I inevitably build a PC in 3-4 years. (Built a midrange rig in 2007 but it was showing its age/getting no use for a long time so I gave it to a family member like two or three years ago)
SneakyStephan
Banned
The bolded I have played on pc and they all run and work far better than the console versions.
Some of them fall under dissatisfactory ports by pc standards/expectations (which are sooo much higher than console standards) so I would call them bad ports by (missing graphics settings or a pc centric UI) but they still run and play and control better than the console versions, so in the end the best place to play these games is still the PC by far.
For example darksiders 1:
Ran like butter, looked pretty good, had proper texture filtering etc, had proper controls and I didn't encounter any bugs.
Was it an incompetent port? Definitely not , It's a lazy one though as the game only had one single graphics preset that the devs chose and nothing to configure for yourself. PC games need a proper settings menu, it's a standard that you can't give an inch on if you want to keep enjoying it as a pc gamer, especially since most devs can't be trusted to polish and have it run on a toaster like ds1 did, while not blinding you with bloom or setting you up with a 40 degree fov.
I need those settings menus (and access to an unencrypted ini) to protect myself from retina burning bloom and horse blinder fovs, they'll pry them from my cold dead hands.
So no graphics settings = bad port (told you standards are different on pc)
What's wrong with mirror's edge btw?
Dark souls was a really bad port by pc standards (30 fps lock, stuck at 720p, low res DOF) but after durante fixed it it did everything a pc port needs to do (yay for open platforms, stuff is fixable by dedicated people like him)
Even in its unfixed state it was 100x more playable on pc than on consoles since the framerate didn't drop to single digits in blighttown.
I'll give you resident evil 4, shitbad pathetic port that didn't have mouse support at all
binary domain would have been a nice port if the game didn't have the most fucked up mouse controls ever (they just convert mouse inputs into analog stick inputs in their engine, you don't actually get mouse control your mouse acts like an analog stick that centers if you stop moving the mouse) , it's a shame because it's my favorite third person shooter since max payne 1-2
Woah Woah Woah. This wasn't intended as a commentary on the state of contemporary PC ports or PC gaming at all. It was a single user that called me out saying I couldn't find 10 games that were either exclusive or better than their PC ports upon release in the past 7 years. I think you might be taking this out of context.
I also added the disclaimer of "Upon Release"
EDIT: There are plenty of games that are far FAR better on PC (dependent on your PC specs) or released way earlier. That was not the point of the debate. I argued that as someone who switched to consoles there were more than 10 titles that I enjoyed upon release on consoles in the past 7 years that could not be enjoyed on PC's at the same time.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I wouldn't recommend a shield to anyone since it's laggy, no idea about the wifi (I assume you mean over the internet, not your home LAN)
I don't agree with the bolded, one always works badly, the other only works under certain conditions but when it works it works super well without compromising controls or gameplay.
I'm happy for you that you can still enjoy the games with that much lag but most people won't, I can't stand it personally. People will spend hundreds of dollars on pc monitors and hardware or on better tvs for their console to reduce input lag by like 10-15 ms, certain developers like carmack work for weeks or months on their input code(rather how late in the rendering of the frame the game can use the most recent inputs, as late as possible) to reduce the input lag of their game by another few milliseconds.
That is how important it is.
I agree that even playing AC with lag is probably better than some shitty phone ungame
Yeah I look down on phone games, sue me opiate
don't ban me opiate
Eh I'm tired, on first read it sounded exactly like you were doing that 'even if some blockbusters eventually get to pc, that is if they are competent' but you're explaining why you you hate it when a port gets delayed.
Everyone hates it man, just take my last post as examples of it not being a phenomenon unique to or particularly more common on pc, it happens on the consoles too (and sadly on the vita all too often, which as one of the 5 vita owners in the world makes me sad)
It's not a problem to do with the platform , there is no reason for it to happen , it's sleazy or lazy or incompetent devs being fuck ups (e.g resident evil 4 by crapcom)
Apologies, carry on
No I think I'm done. It was a stupid dispute in the first place. The PC is a phenomenal gaming platform, offering infinitely more flexibility and choice and customizability than consoles. I have nothing against PC. I was a PC gamer for 15 or so years. I think at this point everyone wins if the console multi-platforms are successfully (and competently) ported to PC (despite whatever dumb posts I made in the past) . I'd just like to see more development on PC as the lead platform on AAA (I hate that term) games. I still fully expect to come back to PC some day.
EDIT: To this day no controller based FPS comes remotely close to the razor precision of mouse & keyboard. I think I miss PC gaming. :-(
inpHilltr8r
Member
ThePlayerofGames
Banned
I was talking to you but referring to what someone else had said.
The whole thing of one being objectively beyter than the other is ridiculous whether you're talking about digital vs. retail or pcs vs. consoles.
And calling people 'ignorant' because they disagree with you is nothing but a dick move, frankly.
It's disappointing to see this r/pcmasterrace mindset infesting here.
chemicals
Member
I have a pc and i use it for many different things, none of which are "playing games". I record music on my pc, i listen to music on my pc, i research all kinds of shit on my pc, work on my novel (yes I intend to finish one before I die) on my pc. hell, i even have a calendar and other things I use daily on my pc...
It never crosses my mind to try to play a game on my pc. I'm always doing other things with it. Who knows what graphics card I have.. Who knows the minimum requirements for games these days.. Can I play it with a mouse and keyboard or is it better with a controller? Do i have the proper drivers for the controller so that it will behave properly when i plug it into my usb drive?
The answers to these questions: i don't know, nor do I care to know... Just let me play my xbox and be done with it. You see why many people just don't even mess with PC gaming?
No harm intended. Just tired and cranky.
It never crosses my mind to try to play a game on my pc. I'm always doing other things with it. Who knows what graphics card I have.. Who knows the minimum requirements for games these days.. Can I play it with a mouse and keyboard or is it better with a controller? Do i have the proper drivers for the controller so that it will behave properly when i plug it into my usb drive?
The answers to these questions: i don't know, nor do I care to know... Just let me play my xbox and be done with it. You see why many people just don't even mess with PC gaming?
No harm intended. Just tired and cranky.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I think in the end all everyone wants is for things to get better on all platforms, not better than other platforms, just better, for the bar to keep raising and not drop.
When I crap on low fovs or poor framerates for console games I do it as a console gamer who played the shit out of ssx at 60 fps on the ps2. It's easy to take criticism of something objectively bad as an us vs them stab, like I did with my earlier post
Atraveller
Banned
Calling people ignorant because they are ignorant, is not a dick move. Multiple gaffers have listed the reasons why they prefer consoles, and those reasons that pushed them away from PC have been pointed out by other gaffers, as misconceptions and outdated facts.
Don't you think those who actively game on PC would know a deal more better than you console only players?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
You're misrepresenting both your initial post and my objections to it, but let's use that additional criteria on your list.
I'll even add some titles for you to help out.
Destiny
GTAV
Red Dead Redemption
Saints Row 2
GTA4
rage
dead rising 3
watchdogs
Enslaved
Rock Band
Final Fantasy XIII
Ninja Gaiden 3
Soul Calibur
Marvel vs Capcom 3
Dragons Dogma
*highlighted titles are those that fall under your initial assertion
And as I suspected adding in Japanese developed titles more than doubles the list of titles, but its still averaging at less than 2 titles per year that a hypothetical PC only owner that only purchases AAA console titles would have missed.
ThePlayerofGames
Banned
Calling people ignorant because they have a different preference than you is. Just because you refuse to accept that doesn't mean it's not a dick move.
It's not so much about preference rather than the misconceptions and outdated facts (and the constant use of them by console gamers) as said in the post you quoted.
Atraveller
Banned
Do you even think before you post?
ThePlayerofGames
Banned
Do you do anything but attack people?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
My laptop is about that old and I fully endorse this statement. Most times it runs better and I can add a few bells and whistles, or turn down unneeded stuff to boost frame rate.
Atraveller
Banned
Read the thread.
I've said this a few times before in other threads, but PC never had AAA games (in the sense of what AAA is now) until about 2004. All those classic PC games were firmly mid-tier in budget even by the standards of the time.
The games that are considered AAA these days can't be the same kind of games that offer similar gameplay depth as what we had in the past. I don't want more Call of Duty's, Destiny's or Watch Dogs on PC. I want more Divinity Origins Sins, Elite Dangerous, Assetto Corsas, ArmA, Wargame's and now UT. Those games are firmly mid-tier, and where PC games have been during and since the 90s, that's what gamers should be looking towards if they want to find something interesting on the platform, or if they want something beyond the homogenous, samey selection of the AAA market.