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[Son of Cervantes]

Sounds like she lied. She flew off without him saying a thing about race or prostitution. Just basically said they were accused of having sex in the car. Wonder if there's anything else.

Is there a sort of blurred line where on the one hand they don't have to show ID if it's not a stop and ID state, but in a situation like that, when the officer believes the call counts as giving reasonable suspicion upon finding the couple described, that he can then get ID?

Well, according to the TMZ article, they had been having sex, but they had finished and wiped themselves off with a tissue by the time the cops came.

If you listen to the audio, the cop specifically states that he has a right to request an ID because he's responding to a complaint (as opposed to randomly hassling them).

 

[justjohn]

It goes to show that one really need to hear both sides of the story before drawing a conclusion.

Yep. I'll admit I jumped to conclusions straight away but this new evidence actually puts the cops in the good light. Oh well.

 

[TheHollowNight]

Her video autoplayed after the audio for this story. Totally related, yo.

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[Kipe]

He said "according to tmz". It was literally the top story.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/

The police officer kind of sounds like Archer.

 

[Chariot]

So this was a non-story after all, now that we hear the audio. But regardless people have called the officer a racist bastard for 12 pages and I also assumed the same.

Yes, a few shots were fired too fast. But after the last weeks of black people getting the shit from white law enforcers, it is understandable. My guess is that mrs Watts wanted to cash in on the wave of racism to boost her reputation and profile or was at least hypersensitive.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

Yes, a few shots were fired too fast. But after the last weeks of black people getting the shit from white law enforcers, it is understandable. My guess is that mrs Watts wanted to cash in on the wave of racism to boost her reputation and profile or was at least hypersensitive.

I had never heard of her before this, so if she was doing it for fame or notoriety, her plan worked!

 

[ICKE]

Yes, a few shots were fired too fast. But after the last weeks of black people getting the shit from white law enforcers, it is understandable. My guess is that mrs Watts wanted to cash in on the wave of racism to boost her reputation and profile or was at least hypersensitive.

This is why officers wearing some sort of a recording device is good, because not only does it serve as a deterrent for overzealous individuals it also exposes people who make a scene and then use the social media to misrepresent the situation.

 

[Volimar]

This is why officers wearing some sort of a recording device is good, because not only does it serve as a deterrent for overzealous individuals it also exposes people who make a scene and then use the social media to misrepresent the situation.

Yep. A digital record helps police as much as citizens.

 

[Aiii]

Yep. A digital record helps police as much as citizens.

I am sure most police officers would agree with this.

It's not like they have issues with having a video recorder in their cars either.

 

[wildfire]

Ugh. What a mess.

Pretty much. The cop was terse at some points like the "who put you in handcuffs?" moment but he was doing his job.

You simply can't walk away without asking them if you are free to go.

More importantly he didn't call her a prostitute and only mentioned lewd acts was part of the call. People having sex in public is a lewd act though there is nothing about the reported crime that requires showing an ID. It would be interesting if they interviewed the person who made the call later on. Pretty much a bad idea not to follow up on that person.

 

[Kater]

That is some disturbing level of insensitivity, handcuffing her and standing by, watching her like that.


Edit:
Oh, there seems to be more to the whole story on the last few pages. Guess I'll read the updates to this story too so that I can get the bigger picture.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

More importantly he didn't call her a prostitute and only mentioned lewd acts was part of the call. People having sex in public is a lewd act though there is nothing about the reported crime that requires showing an ID.

Actually, when a police officer has reasonable opinion that an illegal act is taking place, they have the right to ask for your ID. In this case, since there had been a complaint, the police officer was reasonably suspicious that something fishy might be going on (who knows how the interior of that car smelled if the two of them were really going at it in there, which could have given him additional suspicion).

At any rate, it was clear the officer wasn't being unreasonable or looking for any trouble. He was basically trying to let them off with a warning - don't have sex in public.

 

[DOWN]

Well, according to the TMZ article, they had been having sex, but they had finished and wiped themselves off with a tissue by the time the cops came.

If you listen to the audio, the cop specifically states that he has a right to request an ID because he's responding to a complaint (as opposed to randomly hassling them).

It seemed like it has been interpreted that if they weren't doing anything or there was no evidence, he couldn't ID her, but it sounds like he was confident that finding them there after the call does mean he can ID them largely based on the call.

 

[Funky Papa]

I am sure most police officers would agree with this.

It's not like they have issues with having a video recorder in their cars either.

Plenty of cops have voiced their distaste towards cameras and continue to confront people recording them.

Keep in mind that back in the day they also fought with teeth and nail against dashcams. Cams are in everybody's best interest, but good luck convincing them.

PS: time for a new title?

 

[derder]

Well shit. Sounds like the police did their jobs by the book.

I can't wait until recording devices are standard.

 

[DOWN]

Well shit. Sounds like the police did their jobs by the book.

I can't wait until recording devices are standard.

Yeah it was a big help for the officers in this case. She really seems to have distorted the situation against them.

 

[wildfire]

Actually, when a police officer has reasonable opinion that an illegal act is taking place, they have the right to ask for your ID. In this case, since there had been a complaint, the police officer was reasonably suspicious that something fishy might be going on (who knows how the interior of that car smelled if the two of them were really going at it in there, which could have given him additional suspicion).

At any rate, it was clear the officer wasn't being unreasonable or looking for any trouble. He was basically trying to let them off with a warning - don't have sex in public.

If they found them in the car sure but it sounds like all they had was the call which isn't enough to establish probable cause for the specific crime in question. The call could've been a false report out of malice or mistaken observation.

 

[atomsk]

Welp, that last audio she's going full Randy Marsh

 

[P44]

So, recording devices should be rolled out - that much seems clear. Honestly it's a bit disturbing to see how many people jumped on the racist cops bandwagon with so much vigour. I'd probably also say cooperation with the police force remains the best policy, not that it helped you know, recent victims of police brutality, but I can't see those cases going much better had they done what Daniele Watts did here.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Plenty of cops have voiced their distaste towards cameras and continue to confront people recording them.

Keep in mind that back in the day they also fought with teeth and nail against dashcams. Cams are in everybody's best interest, but good luck convincing them.

PS: time for a new title?

To be fair, would they fight tooth and nail against all of these things if they were provided for free? I already have to avoid constant speed traps just so local PDs can make ends meet. Can't imagine how many speeding tickets I'd have if they all were required to purchase cameras for each individual.

 

[DOWN]

If they found them in the car sure but it sounds like all they had was the call which isn't enough to establish probable cause for the specific crime in question. The call could've been a false report out of malice or mistaken observation.

That's what the general impression of the thread seems to be but the cop sounded like he felt that the call + finding them gave him reasonable suspicion to ID and maybe question them. Then she took it elsewhere.

 

[SteveWinwood]

To be fair, would they fight tooth and nail against all of these things if they were provided for free? I already have to avoid constant speed traps just so local PDs can make ends meet. Can't imagine how many speeding tickets I'd have if they all were required to purchase cameras for each individual.

how about you dont speed

 

[The Elite]

Well shit. Sounds like the police did their jobs by the book.

I can't wait until recording devices are standard.

It will be good when cops realize they need them as much as the public wants them.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

So, recording devices should be rolled out - that much seems clear. Honestly it's a bit disturbing to see how many people jumped on the racist cops bandwagon with so much vigour. I'd probably also say cooperation with the police force remains the best policy, not that it helped you know, recent victims of police brutality, but I can't see those cases going much better had they done what Daniele Watts did here.

It's really not that surprising to me, just tells me what state we're in as a country that we think that Daniele Watts' story seemed absolutely legit to us. I'm so used to police officers being abusive and violent that as soon as I heard the story, my first reaction was "that poor woman! Of course some asshole cops would hassle her just for the hell of it!" If the audio hadn't surfaced, that's what I would still be thinking now.

It's just really sad that this is what most people's opinion of police is these days. And sadly, it's not unearned. There's just too many incidents up on YouTube and other forms of social media where you can see police officers abusing their power, and you start to think that's the norm.

Then you listen to this audio and you think "Well, maybe they're not all like that. These guys behaved very well, all things considered." I'm sure they could have arrested Watts for non-compliance or some other bullshit charge if they'd wanted to, a lot of cops do that as some sort of power-tripping thing.

 

[DOWN]

The title really needs to be changed now.

Everyone who kisses in public should be arrested.

Lol

 

[Carl]

Everyone who kisses in public should be arrested.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

Everyone who kisses in public should be arrested.

Someone missed the audio update...btw, she wasn't arrested.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/

 

[P44]

It's really not that surprising to me, just tells me what state we're in as a country that we think that Daniele Watts' story seemed absolutely legit to us. I'm so used to police officers being abusive and violent that as soon as I heard the story, my first reaction was "that poor woman! Of course some asshole cops would hassle her just for the hell of it!" If the audio hadn't surfaced, that's what I would still be thinking now.

It's just really sad that this is what most people's opinion of police is these days. And sadly, it's not unearned. There's just too many incidents up on YouTube and other forms of social media where you can see police officers abusing their power, and you start to think that's the norm.

Then you listen to this audio and you think "Well, maybe they're not all like that. These guys behaved very well, all things considered." I'm sure they could have arrested Watts for non-compliance or some other bullshit charge if they'd wanted to, a lot of cops do that as some sort of power-tripping thing.

Yeah I can see where you're coming from. Strapping camera's to your police is all good and well, but the root of the problem, as always is education I find. The mistakes we make in education seem to snowball into every other area of society.

 

[.GqueB.]

The police officer kind of sounds like Archer.

Lol he really did.

But yea she comes off bad there. Kept screaming she knows her rights while not actually knowing them at all. Then the whole publicist bullshit which really explains how this whole story got overblown.

She's fucking with this guy's livelihood and career just because she felt like it. Disgusting.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

how about you dont speed

Yeah because a 65 mph highway that randomly turns to 35 mph (for no fucking reason except we just hit the "city limits" of a town of 10 people) via a sign that's obscured by the branches of a tree makes a ton of sense. Do you even know what a speed trap is?

 

[shuri]

That 'threat' about "identifying him to her publicist" .. Wow!

A career ender.

 

[spwolf]

Pretty much. The cop was terse at some points like the "who put you in handcuffs?" moment but he was doing his job.

You simply can't walk away without asking them if you are free to go.

More importantly he didn't call her a prostitute and only mentioned lewd acts was part of the call. People having sex in public is a lewd act though there is nothing about the reported crime that requires showing an ID. It would be interesting if they interviewed the person who made the call later on. Pretty much a bad idea not to follow up on that person.

wow... now she should be charged with something. What a turn of events.

 

[DOWN]

Someone missed the audio update...btw, she wasn't arrested.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/

I took his comment as a joke about PDA and I'm gonna keep it that way because I thought it was pretty good

 

[CrankyJay]

Thread title should probably be changed...

 

[justjohn]

Thread title should probably be changed...

Well she did kiss her white husband. Just not on the mouth.

 

[spwolf]

He also tells her she's being detained.

"I hope when you guys are fucking your spouses, you reall feel like, alive you know."

lol

Looks like she tried to walk away while they questioned her, so they detained her until they could determine if she had been committing a crime. Whether they were in the right or wrong in how they handled the situation, well...


I really think people jumped on the racist cops bandwagon too soon in this case.



She really doesn't come off well in that audio.

well people jumped on racism because she claimed she was stopped because she was kissing a white husband on the street and that police thought she was a prostitute because she was black.... including me too.

I wonder if she can be sued... she should be.

 

[Fix The Scientist]

Her story seemed like bullshit right from the start but you just never know with some cops... This whole thing has done no good for anyone.

 

[kneePat]

Thread title should probably be changed...

Entitled actress Daniele Watts performs prostitute like activity, is mistaken about how to effectively play race card

 

[CrankyJay]

Entitled Actress Daniel Watts performs prostitute like activity, is mistaken about how to effectively play race card

My DADDY is on the phone, and he wants to talk to you!

 

[Chariot]

I had never heard of her before this, so if she was doing it for fame or notoriety, her plan worked!

Heh, let's see how much of the same she likes when the backlash hits her fully.

This is why officers wearing some sort of a recording device is good, because not only does it serve as a deterrent for overzealous individuals it also exposes people who make a scene and then use the social media to misrepresent the situation.

Yes, you're totally right. This is a prime example where a lot of people - including me - would given mrs Watts the benefit of the doubt and wouldn't believe at all that the policemen did everything according to the law. The recording device really worked in favor of the cops and they should embrace it.

Entitled Actress Daniel Watts performs prostitute like activity, is mistaken about how to effectively play race card

Sounds good.

 

[foxtrot3d]

The police officer kind of sounds like Archer.

He really does and I love the "that's mildly interesting" he does, totally an Archer move. Well, this is why I wait for all the facts before commenting.

 

[CrankyJay]

Heh, let's see how much of the same she likes when the backlash hits her fully.

Yes, you're totally right. This is a prime example where a lot of people - including me - would given mrs Watts the benefit of the doubt and wouldn't believe at all that the policemen did everything according to the law. The recording device really worked in favor of the cops and they should embrace it.Sounds good.

My *only* concern about cops wearing video/audio recording devices is they might use this as an excuse to outlaw civilians from making their own recordings.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Yeah because a 65 mph highway that randomly turns to 35 mph (for no fucking reason except we just hit the "city limits" of a town of 10 people) via a sign that's obscured by the branches of a tree makes a ton of sense. Do you even know what a speed trap is?

yeah and you know where it is right? ez

 

[lednerg]

I'm just glad I qualified my earlier post with "as far as we know".

EDIT: Just listened to the audio. What an asshole. If there are cops out there having trepidations about wearing video/audio recorders, then please take note.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

You gotta believe that right about now these cops are thanking the fact that they recorded the entire incident, lol.

 

[SRG01]

This is why innocent before proven guilty is the cornerstone of our legal system.

 

[shuri]

TMZ has people saying they watched them having sex from another nearby building for the entire time with the door open. Bahaha.

I mean, ain't nothing wrong with sum car action, but just do it from a really secluded place, not in the middle of a busy parking lot with building arounds, in the middle of the day . I'm not sure if it's illegal there in the states, but here cops would just knock on the door or the window and tell you to knock it off and go home.

It's just a matter of decent public decency, folks.

 

[TOP SHOTTA]

It is AMAZING how my opinion of this swung from one pole to the other, just based on the recording.

The officer sounds fairly reasonable, she sounds very upset and in the wrong - at least of assuming she has rights that don't really exist.

It just makes me a little sad that I was completely ready to dismiss everything the officer said, and assume the sound byte encapsulated the truth. But one listen to the audio and it's obvious to me at least that she probably was doing something she shouldn't have in that car, and made herself look foolish and difficult in the process.

 

[Volimar]

And that TMZ has people saying they watched them having sex from another nearby building for the entire time with the door open. Is it a big parking lot?

I mean, aint nothing wrong with that, but just do it from a really secluded place, not in the middle of a busy parking lot. I'm not sure if it's illegal there in the states, but here cops would just knock on the door or the window and tell you to knock it off and go home. It's just a matter of decent public decency, folks.

You know, after all that shit she gave him, I'm surprised the officer didn't book them to test their clothes for signs of recent sexual activity, and go over the car with a blacklight. I mean, if he wanted to, he could have made this even more embarrassing for her.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Yes, a few shots were fired too fast. But after the last weeks of black people getting the shit from white law enforcers, it is understandable. My guess is that mrs Watts wanted to cash in on the wave of racism to boost her reputation and profile or was at least hypersensitive.

I doubt that last sentence, but ill agree with the first.