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[TheLegendOfMart]

I'm a weird example since I delete things off my phone like every hour but with everything offering streaming services now it seems like the trend would go towards lower storage if anything. Music, movies, even photos now can be cloud accessed pretty easily so what does the average user need 64GB for?

I have 500MB 4G data plan....

 

[MrDenny]

This is pissing me off so much more than it should be. Like... just make the baseline 32gb. 16gb is not fucking enough for what many people are doing with their phones nowadays.

It's ridiculous. I have no videos or music on my ipad and the 16 gb are almost taken up by the apps alone.
Seems like a waste of money to get the 16gb plus and only being able to shoot a couple of mins of video.

 

[Camoxide]

I'm a weird example since I delete things off my phone like every hour but with everything offering streaming services now it seems like the trend would go towards lower storage if anything. Music, movies, even photos now can be cloud accessed pretty easily so what does the average user need 64GB for?

Again my opinion is skewed since I don't really keep many photos on my phone and use G+ and Flickr to backup photos so maybe just photos themselves are a buttload of space for the average person who deletes nothing.

Most contracts are data limited and you'll find it hard to get 3G outside of a city in southwest England.

I know a lot of people who use save their Spotify playlists offline which of course eats up memory.

 

[Camoxide]

Actually, until now you would spend another $200 to get the 64GB so that suffered an expected linear improvement.

Only if you don't spend it you get fucked by staying with 16GB when you normally would get 32GB, if the upgrades were across the board.

32GB is a lot more useful than 16GB considering iOS takes up a chunk of the storage.

Every couple of years the base storage would get upgraded . But this time it's "Pay the extra $100 or be stuck trying to manage your storage for the next two years"

 

[jts]

32GB is a lot more useful than 16GB considering iOS takes up a chunk of the storage.

Every couple of years the base storage would get upgraded . But this time it's "Pay the extra $100 or be stuck trying to manage your storage for the next two years"

They upgraded the tier 2 and 3, but not tier 1.

I agree, it sucks.

What's funny is that even though the 16GB is the worst value, it's the one with the shortest profit margin for Apple...

Basically they are pushing people hard to go tier 2 to try and raise the iPhone's ASP.

 

[ponpo]

I have 500MB 4G data plan....

Most contracts are data limited and you'll find it hard to get 3G outside of a city in southwest England.

I know a lot of people who use save their Spotify playlists offline which of course eats up memory.

Oh right. Unfortunate.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

I'm interested to see what the 6+ is like in a cover before I bite.

I just smashed my iP4 to smithereens on the floor today, so I think I need a new phone. In it's defence, without any glass and with wires hanging out everywhere, it still backed up to itunes.

 

[Jimrpg]

They upgraded the tier 2 and 3, but not tier 1.

I agree, it sucks.

What's funny is that even though the 16GB is the worst value, it's the one with the shortest profit margin for Apple...

Basically they are pushing people hard to go tier 2 to try and raise the iPhone's ASP.

They shouldn't sell the 16gb to regular you and me buyers. After you install all the free apps from apple most people are left with 5-6gb and that's going to go pretty quick when you shoot 1080p video.

They DO keep selling it because there are many large companies that probably buy the iphones on a large scale (ie >1000 units) and there is a significant saving if you have to buy so many. Plus employees shouldn't really be downloading so many apps.

 

[Timbuktu]

So... Stephen Fry says," Apple-haters look away: the iPhone 6 is not the first – but it’s the best "

 

[Hasney]

I'm a weird example since I delete things off my phone like every hour but with everything offering streaming services now it seems like the trend would go towards lower storage if anything. Music, movies, even photos now can be cloud accessed pretty easily so what does the average user need 64GB for?

Again my opinion is skewed since I don't really keep many photos on my phone and use G+ and Flickr to backup photos so maybe just photos themselves are a buttload of space for the average person who deletes nothing.

Even with a few apps and a couple of albums for when you lose signal on trains and can't stream, it becomes a bitch to update the 16GB now. Not sure how much space is needed for the installation process, but it's fairly significant on a phone that small.

 

[nature boy]

So... Stephen Fry says," Apple-haters look away: the iPhone 6 is not the first – but it’s the best "

That was cringe worthy to read....

iPhones came late to multitasking. “We wanted to wait until we had the best smartphone multitasking system in the world,” Steve Jobs said on unveiling the iOS 4 operating system in 2010, and no one can doubt his team achieved that goal.

The matchless design and innovation team led by Jony Ive – who has headhunted to Apple the brilliant Australian designer Marc Newson (over whom at the launch I spilled some horrible green wheatgrass and spirulina drink that would otherwise have gone all over P Diddy)

Richest (public) company on the planet apparently is too cheap to include more RAM in their devices.
This had Ipad 1 written all over it.

 

[highrider]

Funny post as I am sure the Note 4 will lag like a mother, just as all Samsung mobile devices do, despite 3GB of RAM

Had my note 3 for a year, runs great.

 

[Blackhead]

Funny post as I am sure the Note 4 will lag like a mother, just as all Samsung mobile devices do, despite 3GB of RAM

A couple reviews mentioned performance problems/bugs with the 6+. Re/code, TheVerge, TechRadar...

Oddly, there were a couple instances where core apps on the iPhone 6 Plus froze up, and the graphics in Messages appeared mixed up once while I was switching from upright to horizontal mode. Apple says this is a bug, and the company is working to fix it.

effort into how this iPad mini-mini should actually work, and it shows in various ways. For example, starting an email in landscape involves a new-document sheet sliding up along with the busy landscape keyboard, leaving the screen a busy mess of inactive interface elements. Safari is pretty crashy in landscape, especially on responsive sites like The Verge, and some apps like Weather don’t take advantage of the extra space at all. The 6 Plus could be the start of an entirely new platform for Apple, but it’s going to take a little more work to get there.

During day to day usage I found the 6 Plus ran pretty smoothly, but it's not quite as quick as some of the top Android handsets on the market. Every now and then the iPhone would pause for thought ever so briefly.

It wasn't long enough to cause any issues, but it was long enough for me to notice from time to time.

 

[jts]

I'm an average 2-year upgrader. Went from iPhone 4 to iPhone 5 (and a 3GS prior to that).

The iPhone 6 (esp. the plus) appeals to me a lot, but the stagnant RAM throws me a bit off.

What should I do:
1) wait 1 more year and let my iPhone 5 lose value in the 2nd hand market then get on that S cycle
2) get an iPhone 6 and maybe look to upgrade next year as well
3) get an iPhone 6, stay on the 2 year cycle

Basically I'm trying to equate - (iPhone 6 1st year deprecation) + (added value of its 1 year ownership vs sticking with an iPhone 5) >, = or < to - (iPhone 5 3rd year deprecation)

Maths innit.

 

[Ashes]

That was cringe worthy to read....Richest (public) company on the planet apparently is too cheap to include more RAM in their devices.

How much ram is in there?

 

[nature boy]

How much ram is in there?

1GB:
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/16/iphone-6-plus-reviews-1-gb-ram/

 

[twdnewh_k]

I use 2 phones and have been meaning to replace my work number (Blackberry); I already use an Android device as my personal phone.

I had an iPhone 4 but quit ios devices because of screen size; I like the iPhone 6 and will probably want to replace my BlackBerry; but cannot believe the specs are outdated. I remember iPhones were always full of top the line features and specs.

 

[Blackhead]

I use 2 phones and have been meaning to replace my work number (Blackberry); I already use an Android device as my personal phone.

I had an iPhone 4 but quit ios devices because of screen size; I like the iPhone 6 and will probably want to replace my BlackBerry; but cannot believe the specs are outdated. I remember iPhones were always full of top the line features and specs.

The iPhone processor/gpu is still top of the line

 

[HazySaiyan]

Really wish the 6's screen was 1080p, it would have been a no-brainer for me.

Can't decide which phone to get.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Really wish the 6's screen was 1080p, it would have been a no-brainer for me.

Can't decide which phone to get.

I think I have to see them up close to decide (specifically the 6+). The 4.7 would be the no-brainer if it had the Plus' battery life.

 

[The Elite]

I'm an average 2-year upgrader. Went from iPhone 4 to iPhone 5 (and a 3GS prior to that).

The iPhone 6 (esp. the plus) appeals to me a lot, but the stagnant RAM throws me a bit off.

What should I do:
1) wait 1 more year and let my iPhone 5 lose value in the 2nd hand market then get on that S cycle
2) get an iPhone 6 and maybe look to upgrade next year as well
3) get an iPhone 6, stay on the 2 year cycle

Basically I'm trying to equate - (iPhone 6 1st year deprecation) + (added value of its 1 year ownership vs sticking with an iPhone 5) >, = or < to - (iPhone 5 3rd year deprecation)

Maths innit.

I personally hated being on the S Cycle. The new phone hype/thirst is always greatest on the main cycle.

 

[HazySaiyan]

I think I have to see them up close to decide (specifically the 6+). The 4.7 would be the no-brainer if it had the Plus' battery life.

Yeah same. Gonna probably pop into the local Apple store this weekend and have a look.

 

[Blackhead]

Daring Fireball: The iPhones 6

My understanding, talking to people at the event last week, is that Apple&#8217;s industrial design team mocked up prototypes of every single size between 4.0 and 6.0 inches, in tenths-of-an-inch increments, and from those 20 sizes selected the two that best hit the sweet spots for &#8220;regular iPhone&#8221; and &#8220;ginormous iPhone&#8221;. We might never see new iPhone sizes again &#8212; or at least not bigger ones.

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[lensoftruth]

Really wish the 6's screen was 1080p, it would have been a no-brainer for me.

Can't decide which phone to get.

Why? It's still a stupidly high ppi, it's totally unnecessary to go higher on the 6.

 

[……forgetit]

So... Stephen Fry says," Apple-haters look away: the iPhone 6 is not the first – but it’s the best "

Eh, that's pretty subjective, though it is a review.

Actually know, that article is just bad.

 

[Blackhead]

Why? It's still a stupidly high ppi, it's totally unnecessary to go higher on the 6.

1080p looks noticeably better on a 4.7" display

I'll bet you the 7 will have 1080p (and the 7+ will have 2208&#8201;×&#8201;1242)

 

[……forgetit]

It looks noticeably better.

I'll bet you the 7 will have 1080p (and the 7+ 2208&#8201;×&#8201;1242)

Lol, no way.

 

[Rootbeer]

Lot of nice improvements this year, but I think I'll be better served to stick with my 32GB Nexus 5, which I am rather happy with, and get next year's iphone when it will hopefully have more ram, more storage (in the base model), and maybe a sapphire display finally?

 

[Ninja Kn1ght]

These reviews have pretty much convinced me to go with the regular iPhone 6.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Lol, no way.

Saving this post for this time next year.

 

[Blackhead]

Lot of nice improvements this year, but I think I'll be better served to stick with my 32GB Nexus 5, which I am rather happy with, and get next year's iphone when it will hopefully have more ram, more storage (in the base model), and maybe a sapphire display finally?

Sapphire display isn't happening — Why Apple Didn’t Use Sapphire iPhone Screens | TIME

 

[HazySaiyan]

Why? It's still a stupidly high ppi, it's totally unnecessary to go higher on the 6.

It looks noticeably better at 1080p at that size. My One M7 is the same size at 1080p so I don't feel like downgrading.

 

[……forgetit]

Saving this post for this time next year.

Go for it.

 

[fierrotlepou]

The Verge:

"It's bigger and better. But it's the same."

These guys. Top notch journalism right there!

 

[lensoftruth]

It looks noticeably better at 1080p at that size. My One M7 is the same size at 1080p so I don't feel like downgrading.

Noticeably is pushing it IMO, each to their own I suppose.

 

[……forgetit]

Noticeably is pushing it IMO, each to their own I suppose.

Everyone I know who's used a 1080p screen for an extended period of time notices the difference. I really wonder if some of the people who say there is no difference have used one.

 

[thesoapster]

Richest (public) company on the planet apparently is too cheap to include more RAM in their devices.
This had Ipad 1 written all over it.

I'm not buying one (Android user now), but...

They have to keep phones within a certain production cost to keep (most) carriers subsidizing them on contract to bring the cost down to a competitive level - they already bend a bit more for iPhones than other devices, or at least they have in the past. My only explanation for the lower res screen and 1GB of RAM is the sapphire crystal. It's not cheap! I think adding that forced them to hold back elsewhere.

 

[Ecto311]

Hope this helps fuel a trend in hipsters to go with jnco jeans again instead of skinny jeans. As absurd as jnco jeans were skinny jeans are worse.

 

[borghe]

They upgraded the tier 2 and 3, but not tier 1.

I agree, it sucks.

What's funny is that even though the 16GB is the worst value, it's the one with the shortest profit margin for Apple...

Basically they are pushing people hard to go tier 2 to try and raise the iPhone's ASP.

Basically. They effectively "raised the price" of iPhone while still leaving the point of entry at $0/99/199. $299 and $399 are basically too attractive to pass up at this point.

 

[Blackhead]

I'm not buying one (Android user now), but...

They have to keep phones within a certain production cost to keep (most) carriers subsidizing them on contract to bring the cost down to a competitive level - they already bend a bit more for iPhones than other devices, or at least they have in the past. My only explanation for the lower res screen and 1GB of RAM is the sapphire crystal. It's not cheap! I think adding that forced them to hold back elsewhere.

The iPhone screens don't use sapphire crystal (and probably never will). You can either believe the lower res screen, 1GB of RAM, 16GB storage on the base model is because Apple believes it helps user experience or because they like high margins. Occam's razor would suggest it's because of the profits...

 

[scoobs]

It just goes to show you how powerful the apple brand is, and how strongly its grip on the press and public remains. To read a review saying the iphone 6 is the best phone available today... when its got hardware inside of it that is worse than a phone from a year ago, is simply stunning.

I know its not all about the hardware specs, but come on now... reviews from tech sites claiming the inferior technology is superior, sheesh!

 

[Nicktendo86]

So the tl;dr of the iPhone 6 and 6+ reviews are that they are iPhones, but bigger, don't really take advantage of the larger screen sizes, the 6+ has bugs and performance issues probably showing up it's meagre 1gb of RAM and is unwieldy but these are the best smartphones on the planet because of reasons. Got it.

 

[ponpo]

It just goes to show you how powerful the apple brand is, and how strongly its grip on the press and public remains. To read a review saying the iphone 6 is the best phone available today... when its got hardware inside of it that is worse than a phone from a year ago, is simply stunning.

I know its not all about the hardware specs, but come on now... reviews from tech sites claiming the inferior technology is superior, sheesh!

Sites tend to review phones as a complete package not based on individual, separate bullet points.

If hardware should matter more, what phone should be labeled the 'best phone available today'? The one with the best battery? Screen? Speakers? Processor?

 

[lexi]

It just goes to show you how powerful the apple brand is, and how strongly its grip on the press and public remains. To read a review saying the iphone 6 is the best phone available today... when its got hardware inside of it that is worse than a phone from a year ago, is simply stunning.

I know its not all about the hardware specs, but come on now... reviews from tech sites claiming the inferior technology is superior, sheesh!

It must be a conspiracy. Let's start a hashtag campaign and force people from their jobs.

 

[Wubby]

I personally hated being on the S Cycle. The new phone hype/thirst is always greatest on the main cycle.

Me too. I'm getting off the S cycle this time though. I lived with the 4S for three years to get off the S cycle.

 

[thesoapster]

The iPhone screens don't use sapphire crystal (and probably never will). You can either believe the lower res screen, 1GB of RAM, 16GB storage on the base model is because Apple believes it helps user experience or because they like high margins. Occam's razor would suggest it's because of the profits...

Dammit, I didn't realize that didn't pan out. Welp.

 

[Blackhead]

As far as I know, Apple has not been known to use incentives to get people to cover them. Samsung, on the other hand, did in fact threaten to leave two journalist stranded http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...oggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/

That is a huge issue, it is like Apple gave them a pamphlet and they just handed that in as their review. I feel like cellphone reviews are some of the worst of any industry.

Apple actually does restrict access based on media coverage and they do give out 'pamphlets'. See 9to5Mac | Product Reviews, Briefings, & Reviewer&#8217;s Guides :

Just as the chart shows Apple expanding review hardware access, it also shows Apple subsequently taking away access. While Gizmodo reviewed the 2009 iPhone 3GS, the blog fell out of favor with Apple around the launch of the first iPad. The subsequent situation surrounding the lost iPhone 4 sealed Gizmodo&#8216;s fate, and it never received early Apple hardware again. Macworld, previously an Apple trade show partner, has not received early hardware since the launch of the first Retina iPad. Speculation suggests that less than entirely positive interactions between the publications and Apple&#8217;s PR team led to the loss of early product access.

After an event, Apple does not leave reviews just up to individual hands-on time with a product and memories from the keynote address. Alongside the hardware, Apple provides writers with a &#8220;Reviewer&#8217;s Guide.&#8221; Meant to focus reviewers&#8217; attention on key marketing points, making the &#8220;reviewing&#8221; process earlier, these booklets include many of the same phrases used on Apple&#8217;s website, but they sometimes also include some twists on reality.

For instance, the iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina display packet implied that the Air and the new Mini were virtually the same product aside from screen size. &#8220;Both iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina display deliver the full iPad experience, leaving just one question to be answered. Which size is right for you?,&#8221; reads the guide. Some early reviews followed Apple&#8217;s guide, claiming outright that both products are the same aside from size, but actual testing demonstrated that Apple&#8217;s claim was far from the truth. The display on the iPad Air is actually far superior in terms of color reproduction, and the processor in the iPad Air is slightly faster than the one in the Retina mini. Reviewers following Apple&#8217;s guide didn&#8217;t catch either of the issues, suggesting that some writers should do more testing of their products before accepting Apple&#8217;s marketing claims as pure truth.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Wich reviews focuses on the battery life between the two?


Still on the fence

Reviews of the standard 6 have said "similar to the 5S" to "4 hours" to "half a day" better on the 6 compared to the 5S. Either way, it's a bit silly to be comparing battery life right now, given reviewers have only had the phone for a couple of days, most of which time they've likely had irregular usage due to the fact that they're reviewing the phone.

I'm an average 2-year upgrader. Went from iPhone 4 to iPhone 5 (and a 3GS prior to that).

The iPhone 6 (esp. the plus) appeals to me a lot, but the stagnant RAM throws me a bit off.

What should I do:
1) wait 1 more year and let my iPhone 5 lose value in the 2nd hand market then get on that S cycle
2) get an iPhone 6 and maybe look to upgrade next year as well
3) get an iPhone 6, stay on the 2 year cycle

Basically I'm trying to equate - (iPhone 6 1st year deprecation) + (added value of its 1 year ownership vs sticking with an iPhone 5) >, = or < to - (iPhone 5 3rd year deprecation)

Maths innit.

Just get the phone and enjoy it for the next two years. It's only two years.

Also, the performance issues in the 6 Plus are most likely simply optimization/software bugs... I'm not sure why people think the resolution is holding the 6 Plus back when the iPad has a higher resolution and a slower processor and animates just fine.

 

[Kurdel]

It just goes to show you how powerful the apple brand is, and how strongly its grip on the press and public remains. To read a review saying the iphone 6 is the best phone available today... when its got hardware inside of it that is worse than a phone from a year ago, is simply stunning.

I know its not all about the hardware specs, but come on now... reviews from tech sites claiming the inferior technology is superior, sheesh!

Such a weak argument to justify ignoring the reviews, or evalutions of this product...

 

[Ty4on]

no anandtech =(

Doesn't anandtech reviews take a few days go up? Considering what you get compared to the other review sites it's definitely worth the wait.

You guys should have waited for the Nexus 5 review. It was a full month late

Brian tweeted "Ditto" which rubbed it in for me

Joshua does write good reviews too though. I hope they have time to do a podcast or something similar in the mean time because it is really interesting to hear the full thoughts of a reviewer.