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[my name is ed]

In this particular preview:

Everything is utterly flat with no sense of depth or volume. Amateur (inconsistent and/or arbitrary) or altogether absent attempts at rendering.

Inability to compose scenes. Instead we see a series of grimacing or shouting figures posed in spatial voids. Competent artists don't speak in terms of "backgrounds" (as though they're the half-assed shit you fill in behind grimacing muscle men) but instead see everything in a scene as part of a whole in terms of perspective, composition, etc.

Thoughtless sequential storytelling.

Hilariously inept attempts to illustrate technology. No vision, no concern with function of forms. Shit looks worse than the shabbiest videogame art direction ever shipped.

No consideration of the page itself as a composition (unsurprising when the panels that comprise them show the same issue).

No dynamism, no character, no style. Need more?

For comparison, here's a random Risso page:

And a few from Wei

I see the weaknesses in the art but I really dont think they're so bad. I see the artwork as pretty average and definitely comparing it to an artist with a distinctive voice like Risso will make them look worse. I think your definition of competency is too harsh, so you and I are just gonna have to disagree, partner.

As for artists currently working on Marvel books, I'd say the following are quality

Immomen
Coipel
Gabriel Del'Otto
Cheung
Pichelli
Marco Rudy
Del Mundo
Samnee
Shalvey
David Marquez

 

[TetraxShards]

Was that the one with Judge Death on the cover?

If you're talking US covers, yes:

This is the UK one:

Personally, I prefer the UK covers.

 

[Messi]

Number 1 priority: iPad for superior comic reading.

Number 2 priority: Waifu figures.

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I am getting an air also[/spoilar]

 

[Freezasaurus]

Anyone else checking out the new G.I. Joe series by Karen Traviss? I haven't read any of the comics before, but this one has an interesting premise, and Traviss is a good military fiction writer.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

can someone recommend which of the free comics comixology is giving away are worth buying? I hate to miss something

 

[ReAxion]

can someone recommend which of the free comics comixology is giving away are worth buying? I hate to miss something

quick pick list:

• The Woods
• Translucid
• Southern Bastards
• Nailbiter
• Lumberjanes

add on where you can, Comic-GAF

 

[TetraxShards]

Anyone else checking out the new G.I. Joe series by Karen Traviss? I haven't read any of the comics before, but this one has an interesting premise, and Traviss is a good military fiction writer.

I got the issue but haven't read it yet. I really wanted the Van Lente G.I. Joe to be good, but it wasn't quite there even if it did give us the greatness that is Hashtag (the G.I. Joe team's social media guru! yes, really). I would love if the Joe books were up to the standard of the Transformers books right now.

can someone recommend which of the free comics comixology is giving away are worth buying? I hate to miss something

I can vouch for Lumberjanes and Southern Bastards. Get the Valiant Humble Bundle for $15 (or $10 and change if you don't want the old books) and then add The Delinquents #1 as well.

Also, today's free Valiant book on Humble is a preview of The Valiant. Get some of that sweet Paolo Rivera interior art.

 

[Zombine]

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I am getting an air also[/spoilar]

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I love my air, but I will be upgrading again when the new one comes out.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I got the issue but haven't read it yet. I really wanted the Van Lente G.I. Joe to be good, but it wasn't quite there even if it did give us the greatness that is Hashtag (the G.I. Joe team's social media guru! yes, really). I would love if the Joe books were up to the standard of the Transformers books right now.

Let me know if it's worth picking up.

 

[Filthy Slug]

I see the weaknesses in the art but I really dont think they're so bad. I see the artwork as pretty average and definitely comparing it to an artist with a distinctive voice like Risso will make them look worse. I think your definition of competency is too harsh, so you and I are just gonna have to disagree, partner.

As for artists currently working on Marvel books, I'd say the following are quality

Immomen
Coipel
Gabriel Del'Otto
Cheung
Pichelli
Marco Rudy
Del Mundo
Samnee
Shalvey
David Marquez

I would easily throw Adrian Alphona onto that list. Dude is dominating on Ms. Marvel.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I would easily throw Adrian Alphona onto that list. Dude is dominating on Ms. Marvel.

you know you wanted to say Javier Pulido...just say it, my nigga

 

[Serpentine]

can someone recommend which of the free comics comixology is giving away are worth buying? I hate to miss something

Southern Bastards, Lumberjanes, Nailbiter, the Valiant stuff (particularly, Archer & Armstrong)

 

[my name is ed]

I would easily throw Adrian Alphona onto that list. Dude is dominating on Ms. Marvel.

Haven't gotten to check out Ms Marvel myself but what I've seen is great.

I didnt even list Opena and Weaver on there. Marvel has some great artists. I don't know why someone would be throwing shade on that stable of artists.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Seems I've been sleeping on Valiant

 

[tim1138]

Alright, so Case Files 03 it is. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

comixology has honestly saved my comic reading life, which I was worried I would have to give up due to a lack of budget and easily accessible comic stores. I mainly just head to the comic places I know to buy cool looking stuff and trades nowadays.

 

[Filthy Slug]

you know you wanted to say Javier Pulido...just say it, my nigga

Haha--god dammit, I fucking restrained myself.

Anybody decrying the entirety of Marvel's artist-base ain't gonna be able to appreciate the greatness of Pulido.

 

[Vibranium]

I see the weaknesses in the art but I really dont think they're so bad. I see the artwork as pretty average and definitely comparing it to an artist with a distinctive voice like Risso will make them look worse. I think your definition of competency is too harsh, so you and I are just gonna have to disagree, partner.

As for artists currently working on Marvel books, I'd say the following are quality

Immomen
Coipel
Gabriel Del'Otto
Cheung
Pichelli
Marco Rudy
Del Mundo
Samnee
Shalvey
David Marquez

What about Gerrads, Young, Noto or Klein? All excellent artists.

Mitch Gerrads is going places, hopefully Marvel keeps giving him good work. If Rudy doesn't last long on Winter Soldier I would love Mitch to draw Bucky.

 

[slightconfuse]

yall sleeping on valerio schitti

 

[Kipp]

All this talk of Judge Dredd has made me want to finally read some. For some reason I've never really had the desire to check it out.
I don't think I realized Bolland drew it before you guys mentioned it, but now that I know that, I'm much more interested.
Edit: Just looked into it a bit more (Case Files 03 in particular) and the all the art (not just the Bolland art) looks great.

 

[Serpentine]

Can't believe none of you have mentioned Khoi Pham.

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In typing that I also realized that they have Ryan Stegman

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

Bachalo!

 

[Cade]

Bachalo!

no

maybe sometimes
mostly definitely no

 

[Owzers]

I love my air, but I will be upgrading again when the new one comes out.

I chose the Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for my next tablet after the OT thread, solely for comic reading. 10.5'' AMOLED screen, higher resolution than ipad air's, lighter by small margin despite being larger, an aspect ratio of 16:10 that better suits comics in portrait mode.....waiting for it to be shipped though to report back O___O.

 

[Messi]

I see the weaknesses in the art but I really dont think they're so bad. I see the artwork as pretty average and definitely comparing it to an artist with a distinctive voice like Risso will make them look worse. I think your definition of competency is too harsh, so you and I are just gonna have to disagree, partner.

As for artists currently working on Marvel books, I'd say the following are quality

Immomen
Coipel
Gabriel Del'Otto
Cheung
Pichelli
Marco Rudy
Del Mundo
Samnee
Shalvey
David Marquez

Did you miss Noto by accident or do you not like him?

 

[fauxtrot]

I chose the Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for my next tablet after the OT thread, solely for comic reading. 10.5'' AMOLED screen, higher resolution than ipad air's, lighter by small margin despite being larger, an aspect ratio of 16:10 that better suits comics in portrait mode.....waiting for it to be shipped though to report back O___O.

I'm either getting that or the next Google branded tablet, depending on how large the screen ends up being. I currently have a Nexus 7, which is great, but I want more real-estate for comics reading. I was thinking about getting a Surface so I could use it for more than just my typical tablet activities, but I don't think I want to spend $1200 on an appropriately powered model. Luckily, I'm broke as hell at the moment, so I'm forced to be patient with my next purchase.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Haha--god dammit, I fucking restrained myself.

Anybody decrying the entirety of Marvel's artist-base ain't gonna be able to appreciate the greatness of Pulido.

lookin' across the board, I'm actually a fan of lot of the artists Marvel employs. Yeah, they got some busta ass dudes on New Warriors, but that's a busta ass book so that seems about right. Cheung, Aja, Pulido, Kubert, Samnee, Shalvey, McNiven, Rodriguez, Caseelli, Opena, Ribic, Stegman, Jimenez, Perez, Wood, Rudy, Allred, Klein, Marquez, Immonen, Pichelli, Coipel, Bradshaw, Bachalo, Schiti, Dauterman, Del Mundo, Smallwood, Lopez, Ramos, Acuna, Oeming, Walsh, etc. They all tend to have a pretty individual style, too.

 

[slightconfuse]

lookin' across the board, I'm actually a fan of lot of the artists Marvel employs. Yeah, they got some busta ass dudes on New Warriors, but that's a busta ass book so that seems about right. Cheung, Aja, Pulido, Kubert, Samnee, Shalvey, McNiven, Rodriguez, Caseelli, Opena, Ribic, Stegman, Jimenez, Perez, Wood, Rudy, Allred, Klein, Marquez, Immonen, Pichelli, Coipel, Bradshaw, Bachalo, Schiti, Dauterman, Del Mundo, Smallwood, Lopez, Ramos, Acuna, Oeming, Walsh, etc. They all tend to have a pretty individual style, too.

Skottie young too, marvel has done a crazy good job diversifying their line. Something DC seems o have trouble doing(or don't wan to do)

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

Ramos too

 

[my name is ed]

What about Gerrads, Young, Noto or Klein? All excellent artists.

Mitch Gerrads is going places, hopefully Marvel keeps giving him good work. If Rudy doesn't last long on Winter Soldier I would love Mitch to draw Bucky.

Not familiar with Gerrads work. Did a quick search and find he's been doing the recent punisher stuff. I really like what I see but I really haven't gotten a chance to check his work out. I'll keep an eye out in the future.

Did you miss Noto by accident or do you not like him?

I really like his work! Like really like it. I just didn't want to continue on and on about which artists I like. It's certainly no master list of great artists.

I think Noto is best on slower, personal work since I think his action sequences tend to lose a bit of what makes him special.

He is actually coming to Austin Comic Con so I'll hopefully get to meet him in person and get a chance to talk.

Skottie young too, marvel has done a crazy good job diversifying their line. Something DC seems o have trouble doing(or don't wan to do)

I'm fairly certain DC wants a more unified style across its books. It can't be possibly unintentional that they all look same-y

also, Ramos?
nope.gif (of your choice)

Dude seems more interested in hitting deadlines than anything else which is what some people/editors want so...yeah

 

[whatsinaname]

Just completed reading Vol 1 of Nausicaa. Damn, it is brilliant. The art is gorgeous as well.

 

[Messi]

lookin' across the board, I'm actually a fan of lot of the artists Marvel employs. Yeah, they got some busta ass dudes on New Warriors, but that's a busta ass book so that seems about right. Cheung, Aja, Pulido, Kubert, Samnee, Shalvey, McNiven, Rodriguez, Caseelli, Opena, Ribic, Stegman, Jimenez, Perez, Wood, Rudy, Allred, Klein, Marquez, Immonen, Pichelli, Coipel, Bradshaw, Bachalo, Schiti, Dauterman, Del Mundo, Smallwood, Lopez, Ramos, Acuna, Oeming, Walsh, etc. They all tend to have a pretty individual style, too.

How do you feel about Noto? I find if nothing else his style is distinctive.

Ramos too

 

[Freezasaurus]

Just completed reading Vol 1 of Nausicaa. Damn, it is brilliant. The art is gorgeous as well.

Did you get the regular manga volumes or that 2-book box set?

 

[whatsinaname]

Did you get the regular manga volumes or that 2-book box set?

Got the box set. I had watched the movie but never realised the Manga wasn't just a movie tie-in.

 

[tim1138]

Spending my evening rereading early New 52 Animal Man, I totally forgot about this page. So so awesome.

 

[fauxtrot]

Skottie young too, marvel has done a crazy good job diversifying their line. Something DC seems o have trouble doing(or don't wan to do)

Typically, this is where I'd come in and talk trash about DC and their resistance to experimenting with artists outside of those who draw (or can imitate) their "house-style", but they recently put out a few issues with my man Ian Bertram, so I'll give them a pass this time.

All of you Bertram haters out there can

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continue to like what you like because I'm a reasonable man that knows Ian's style isn't for everyone.

 

[Vibranium]

Not familiar with Gerrads work. Did a quick search and find he's been doing the recent punisher stuff. I really like what I see but I really haven't gotten a chance to check his work out. I'll keep an eye out in the future.

Ok, cool, you'll like his stuff. He really captures the grittiness well, similar to one of the greatest artists out there, Michael Lark (his highway action scene in Winter Soldier remains one of the greatest Marvel chase layouts, next to David Aja's car getaway on Hawkeye).

 

[frye]

Skottie young too, marvel has done a crazy good job diversifying their line. Something DC seems o have trouble doing(or don't wan to do)

They've gotten better but the worst part of DC comix art is still the colouirs. Part of it is just from Marvel making all the best dudes exclusive from 2008ish onward (White, Hollingsworth, Breitwiser, etc. etc.) but so much of the work they put out is ugly af compared to other publishers.

Dynamite-tier

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Noto's sequentials are duller than dishwater but it almost gets interesting when he colours himself

Great design sense tho

 

[Messi]

Typically, this is where I'd come in and talk trash about DC and their resistance to experimenting with artists outside of those who draw (or can imitate) their "house-style", but they recently put out a few issues with my man Ian Bertram, so I'll give them a pass this time.

All of you Bertram haters out there can

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continue to like what you like because I'm a reasonable man that knows Ian's style isn't for everyone.

To be fair to DC some of there new books don't use the house style like Teen Titans, Batgirl and Gotham Academy. They also have Harley Quinn. Maybe Catwomans art won't be close to the house style either. But for the most part I will agree, while I don't mind the house style at times it's a bit much.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Got the box set. I had watched the movie but never realised the Manga wasn't just a movie tie-in.

The box set is amazing. I bought it for like $40 a ways back.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

yeah, I like Noto's design, but his sequential storytelling is uh....hmm. Like I really didn't like him on that last Uncanny X-Force. His figures are always really stiff, and he'll do shit like frame a shot at close range with no background so you're like "...oh, he's swinging around and grabbing her gun, dynamically. Oh, ok!" all late and shit

and I forgot the colorists, but yes. White, Martin, Hollingsworth, Breitwiser, Delgado, Bellaire, Rodriguez, however you spell that guy who colors Thor God of Thunder's name, they got some good colorists too

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

They've gotten better but the worst part of DC comix art is still the colouirs. Part of it is just from Marvel making all the best dudes exclusive from 2008ish onward (White, Hollingsworth, Breitwiser, etc. etc.) but so much of the work they put out is ugly af compared to other publishers.

Dynamite-tier

--

Noto's sequentials are duller than dishwater but it almost gets interesting when he colours himself

Great design sense tho

I like how JLU is getting colored. Interesting choices.

 

[fauxtrot]

To be fair to DC some of there new books don't use the house style like Teen Titans, Batgirl and Gotham Academy. They also have Harley Quinn. Maybe Catwomans art won't be close to the house style either. But for the most part I will agree, while I don't mind the house style at times it's a bit much.

Very true, they seem to be getting much better about this lately. Personally, I'd much rather witness an artist attempt to draw creatively/distinctive and have the end result be mediocre than see an artist passionlessly mimic the house-style.

 

[Filthy Slug]

Whichever company gets Rico Renzi coloring full time wins. Holy fuck is he spectacular.

 

[MG310]

Ok, cool, you'll like his stuff. He really captures the grittiness well, similar to one of the greatest artists out there, Michael Lark (his highway action scene in Winter Soldier remains one of the greatest Marvel chase layouts, next to David Aja's car getaway on Hawkeye).

Damn right.

 

[Vibranium]

yeah, I like Noto's design, but his sequential storytelling is uh....hmm. Like I really didn't like him on that last Uncanny X-Force. His figures are always really stiff, and he'll do shit like frame a shot at close range with no background so you're like "...oh, he's swinging around and grabbing her gun, dynamically. Oh, ok!" all late and shit

and I forgot the colorists, but yes. White, Martin, Hollingsworth, Breitwiser, Delgado, Bellaire, Rodriguez, however you spell that guy who colors Thor God of Thunder's name, they got some good colorists too

Hmm, good point. I do dislike Noto's tendency to ignore a fellow artist's work during crossovers. His Frank Castle had short hair that didn't match up with Gerrads' longer-haired style for Frank during the Black Widow/Punisher crossover, which really annoys me. Marvel editors/writers really need to be better about this stuff, I would catch it if they gave me a job.

 

[fauxtrot]

Holy shit, speaking of amazing artists, did anyone link to this tumblr page with a bunch of Marvel characters drawn by Moebius? I want one of these printed and framed for my bedroom...

 

[frye]

I like how JLU is getting colored. Interesting choices.

Yeah, that one's Barry Kitson isn't it? Always quite liked him. Not reading JLU since I've sworn off Jeff Lemire corporate comics forever, but Kitson and Adam Strange/Martian Manhunter/Animal Man on one team might be enough for me to check it out in the library or something

e: whoops, nevermind. McKone draws that one

 

[Tyrant Rave]

yall sleeping on valerio schitti

His work on Journey Into Mystery was awesome. It's a shame that got cancelled

 

[Confusion Illusion]

Just completed reading Vol 1 of Nausicaa. Damn, it is brilliant. The art is gorgeous as well.

Ahh I keep forgetting about this. The box set has been sitting in my Amazon cart for like 2 or 3 years now.