Man loses hands AND feet to a pack of pit bulls

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T.M. MacReady

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Accusations of "dog racism" and bullshit numbers and stats from both sides of the debate incoming.

Let's just all agree this is a sad story and move on before the carousel starts anew.
 

Averon

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Who keep 13 (!!!!) pit bulls in your house? I wouldn't be surprised if the guy is involved in dog fighting.
 
Pitbulls are not a violent breed. They are a powerful breed which are a product of their environment. I worked with the Humane Society to get these beautiful dogs good homes, and I LOVE them.

Tons of documented instances of unprovoked attacks from Pitbulls that were previously "angels who would never do such a thing" would disagree with you. It's easy but ultimately a false argument to paint all Pitbull attacks as "products of their environment"
 

nampad

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That poor guy :/

I hate dogs in general but the 'its the owners' defense force even more. Yes, the owners are the most significant factor, but not the only one. Pitbulls are probably nice most of the time but how can people still deny that they can also be more prone to violence which is dangerous?
 
Awful.

We need a license for dogs I am afraid. It's not the dogs fault but man some breeds attract the worst scum of "dog lovers".
I was walking my grandma's dogs yesterday and one of them (Daisy - a jack russell cross) was attacked by a Staffordshire bull terrier (picture below) that wasn't on a lead, or even muzzled.
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And do you know how owned it? One of these type of knob heads:

The poor dog had 5 puncture wounds in its back and we had to pay £300 in veterinary costs to get her fixed up.
 

V_Arnold

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13? Unattended? Recipe for disaster. Criminal.
At that point, especially if they are not trained to *NOT* leave the house, let alone escape and roam around ,they were back to pack instintcts, probably treating the owner as free food source, not a pack leader.

Horrible story. :(
 
I love dogs, but pit bulls are the one breed I am not fond of. They are just prone to too many aggressive behaviors. The only time I ever get nervous when someone is walking a dog around me is when it’s a pit; sorry.
 

Valnen

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Awful.

We need a license for dogs I am afraid. It's not the dogs fault but man some breeds attract the worst scum of "dog lovers".

Definitely. If it's people at fault, people need to prove they're able to handle the responsibility of owning such potentially dangerous animals before they're allowed to just buy them. Even 1 attack a year is too many to not do something about this. You shouldn't just be able to go and buy an animal that can rip someone apart.
 

Baraka in the White House

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"They were pretty vicious," said Detroit Police spokesman Sgt. Michael Woody of the dogs involved in the attack, which he said were all pit bulls."

I'd love to see photos of all these pit bulls they were able to expertly identify.
 

Surface of Me

I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Even if the owners were horrible, I really doubt a pack of golden retrievers would be roaming around looking for hands and feet to bite off.

If it were 13 Golden Retrievers or 13 Cocker Spaniels in 1 house I doubt this would have happened.

"Man Licked To Death"

Indeed.

We can #NotAllPitbulls all we want, doesn't change the fact that when shit goes wrong it's a Pitbull with alarming frequency. Different dogs have different temperaments, and some are more prone to violence than others. That's an indisputable fact about dog breeds.

I actually would like to see the receipts demonstrating that pit bulls are not more likely to be aggressive than other breeds, when controlling for owners.

Tons of documented instances of unprovoked attacks from Pitbulls that were previously "angels who would never do such a thing" would disagree with you. It's easy but ultimately a false argument to paint all Pitbull attacks as "products of their environment"

Here you go: https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls


The dogs here were probably trained to fight and be aggressive, any dog would be dangerous coming from that environment. Pit bulls are strong dogs, it's why when they do attack it ends so tragically as opposed to other dogs biting people. It does not mean the are inherently aggressive. I wouldnt oppose a license for owning one like some have suggested in this thread.
 
"They were pretty vicious," said Detroit Police spokesman Sgt. Michael Woody of the dogs involved in the attack, which he said were all pit bulls."

I'd love to see photos of all these pit bulls they were able to expertly identify.

Here we go.

First off, you don't need to be an expert to know what a fucking pitbull looks like!
 
Maybe people shouldn't be allowed to own a pitbull without some sort of a license/educational class on how to train them? And for fucks sake, why the hell was he allowed to own 13 of them without animal control being involved?
 
I can fully understand why people are afraid of pitbulls but I just can't agree with the notion that pitbulls are inherently dangerous when being around so many pitbulls in my life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear-baiting

One thing that people forget is that dogs are tools. Every breed of dog has been created through selective breeding for one purpose or another. Clearly, little tiny pomeranians are not being created for anything other than affection, but on the flipside of this argument, you have bulldogs. Bulldogs have been created to be aggressive. This does not mean all bulldogs are aggressive, far from it. What it does mean though is that the aggression factor is encoded into their DNA, so inevitably, when they either go feral or are treated maliciously to the point that they "snap", their breed moreso than any other shows proclivities towards extreme violence.

It shouldn't come as a surprise when we learn in almost all of these cases that the owners of the bulldogs are complete dicks or completely irresponsible. The reason why they have those dogs in the first place is because they appreciate the inherent violence in the breed itself. This is a chicken and egg situation where historic mistreatment by owners is what created the breed itself and continued mistreatment ensures that the predominant behavioural traits of the breed survive. I fully support the complete elimination of the "pitbull" breed.
 
maybe its just me, but i always get confused reading pitbull and gun threads. i see the same arguments about its the owner being a bad person for not locking these shits up. maybe the US should get rid of guns and pitbulls?
 

DopeToast

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Maybe pit bulls aren't inherently aggressive, but I can't blame people for being afraid of them. They are very strong, intimidating dogs.
 

studyguy

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Wait, do you not need a license to own a dog in the US? What kind of fucked up shit is that?

Pretty sure it depends on the city.
I've owned two dogs and only got hit with a request to verify license towards only like two years ago. Thought it was crazy, I picked up the first in a shelter in the same damn city too and she lived and died without registration fees every being incurred. My current dog? I have to pay like 25 dollars for her a year or she gets taken.
 
Pitbulls are fucking wild beasts. No one should own them. and no, I dont want to hear about your bubu my pitbull stories.
 

Lemaitre

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Sorry, that's an ugly ass dog.
Also, they should restrict pitbull as pets to certified breeders or something like that. They are dangerous, unless you breed them well.

Pitbull's hardly warrant any kind of special certification process for breeders/owners. If you're a decent human being who will love your pet, then that's all it takes to raise one.

And I'm sure there are a lot of people on Gaf that think your icon is ugly, but refrain from telling you in such a childish manner. :)
 
Oh boy he we go, pit bull thread!

Pit Bulls scare me. I can't help it.

I know this thread is gonna be filled with people saying things like 'it's not the dog it's the owner' and whatnot, but I can't help it. They freak me out.

You wouldn't think it, but pitbulls are extremely loyal and make very good pets.

Their bad rep comes primarily from bad owners and it's a real shame.
 

Lemaitre

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Pitbulls are fucking wild beasts. No one should own them. and no, I dont want to hear about your bubu my pitbull stories.

Many people do and will continue to own them. It's a good thing dog ownership is determined by some random individual on an off topic video game forum, is it?
 
Ugh. That is terrible.

I love dogs but you gotta be a responsible dog owner or don't own them.

That owner needs to be jailed and those dogs probably need to be put down. :-/
 

Valnen

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maybe its just me, but i always get confused reading pitbull and gun threads. i see the same arguments about its the owner being a bad person for not locking these shits up. maybe the US should get rid of guns and pitbulls?

Mandatory license for both is fine. Banning is not necessary.
 
I really don't care if its the dog or the owner. If you want to own a pitbull you should be required to take a class and have a permit.
 

Flandy

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Even if the owners were horrible, I really doubt a pack of golden retrievers would be roaming around looking for hands and feet to bite off.

As the owner of a Golden Retriever the thought that my dog would even growl at someone is an amusing thought :lol Seriously, that guy loves everyone and everything he sees
 

Valnen

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Pitbull's hardly warrant any kind of special certification process for breeders/owners. If you're a decent human being who will love your pet, then that's all it takes to raise one.

The fact that all it takes is for one non decent human being owning one to end in disaster is what warrants a license law being put into place.
 

Booshka

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maybe its just me, but i always get confused reading pitbull and gun threads. i see the same arguments about its the owner being a bad person for not locking these shits up. maybe the US should get rid of guns and pitbulls?

More responsibility and accountability needs to be put on the owner in both cases of ownership. It should take a lot of effort and training to own a reasonable gun (pistol, shotgun, single shot rifles). Same should go with large breed dogs that are strong and potentially dangerous, not just Pitbulls. At this point, all dogs and cats should be fixed, the population is out of control, and not being managed, irresponsible breeders are running amok as well. A neutered male dog is a lot less prone to violence and aggression as well, regardless of the breed.

Pitbulls are also extremely loyal to their owners, even through mistreatment and beatings. So, if you are an awesome owner and your animal is fixed, they will be loving and compassionate. If you are a total dick, they will be aggressive and violent, yet still obedient toward you, because you feed them and "care" for them.

As for interactions with other animals and humans, all dogs should be on leash and controlled in any initial interaction with a new person/animal. You can't ever say that it's great with every dog or person. You have no idea, it's an animal, there may be some strange scent, body language, sound, or whatever that could freak the dog out and make it aggressive.

People are stupid in general, they don't respect a lot of extremely dangerous things in their life, be it an automobile, gun, dog, etc. We need to raise the level of responsibility, accountability and intelligence of owners in general.
 

Sami+

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No not really. They can be super gorgeous.

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That is a beautiful animal.

Eeehhh, that's a nice photo, but it's an ugly dog.

To be fair though I don't care for animals so I'm probably biased. I do really like cows.
They're yummy.
 

Derwind

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear-baiting

One thing that people forget is that dogs are tools. Every breed of dog has been created through selective breeding for one purpose or another. Clearly, little tiny pomeranians are not being created for anything other than affection, but on the flipside of this argument, you have bulldogs. Bulldogs have been created to be aggressive. This does not mean all bulldogs are aggressive, far from it. What it does mean though is that the aggression factor is encoded into their DNA, so inevitably, when they either go feral or are treated maliciously to the point that they "snap", their breed moreso than any other shows proclivities towards extreme violence.

It shouldn't come as a surprise when we learn in almost all of these cases that the owners of the bulldogs are complete dicks or completely irresponsible. The reason why they have those dogs in the first place is because they appreciate the inherent violence in the breed itself. This is a chicken and egg situation where historic mistreatment by owners is what created the breed itself and continued mistreatment ensures that the predominant behavioural traits of the breed survive. I fully support the complete elimination of the "pitbull" breed.

Being selectively breed for specific usages in the past doesn't suggest an inherent nature but more a broad characteristic.

And its not quite a chicken and egg situationas we know man artificially bred this animal and every step of the way its aggresiveness has been tailored through nurture over nature.

So yes, people are in the center of blame here.

And how do you enforce wiping it out? Knock on the door, shake my hand and drag my dog to the back of my shed?

Essentially the arguments really boil down to "I have positive encounters with pit bulls" vs "I have negative encounters with pitbulls". It adds nothing.

Feel free to attach a statistical model on tge dangers of pitbulls and the need to eliminate them. Cite as many sources as you need.
 

botty

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These creatures have the capacity to do great damage and should not be kept as pets. It's interesting that people will advocate for Pitbulls as friends to humans, but oddly don't want to see them free. 👀
 
Many people do and will continue to own them. It's a good thing dog ownership is determined by some random individual on an off topic video game forum, is it?
You can own dogs, but just not pitbulls. Same way you can own cats, but not fucking panthers.
 

Shepard

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Pitbull's hardly warrant any kind of special certification process for breeders/owners. If you're a decent human being who will love your pet, then that's all it takes to raise one.

And I'm sure there are a lot of people on Gaf that think your icon is ugly, but refrain from telling you in such a childish manner. :)

Ok, so let's just hope that everyone who adopts a pitbull is a decent human being and good dog owner, because we already know what happens when they arent, right?
And sorry, I'll find more mature ways to say that I find this particular dog breed ugly in the future.
 

Silky

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Sorry, that's an ugly ass dog.
Also, they should restrict pitbull as pets to certified breeders or something like that. They are dangerous, unless you breed them well.

You must think Rottweilers' are dangerous as well. Please. It's not the dog, it's the breeder.
 

Redd

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I've had more incidents with small vicious dogs than large dog breeds. Seriously EVERY Chihuahua and Dachshund and I've ever met wants to bite at my heels when I walk away for no reason whatsoever.

Big reason why so many wants to ban Pit Bulls is because when they get violent they can cause real damage. Still I wouldn't get rid of them because shitty owners will find a new violent breed to own and all of you know it.
 
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